From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 10:16:06 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:16:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players Message-ID: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Any way to mine those to use in standard players. From jnylen at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 10:27:38 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Mon Jun 1 10:27:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players In-Reply-To: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <205a4c310906010727t7a2cb361n237e0088e67a957d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, rwyoung wrote: > Any way to mine those to use in standard players. > Sometimes the URL can be found in the HTML code for the page. This is especially true for generic players that aren't tied to a specific stream. You'll probably be looking for a .flv file. There are also sites like keepvid.com which will do most of the work for you. If the site you're trying to download from is a common one like Youtube, then there are plenty of ways - google around for a solution. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/dd955dd2/a= ttachment.htm From zac at garvelink.net Mon Jun 1 12:16:17 2009 From: zac at garvelink.net (Zachary Garvelink) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:16:11 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: WANTED: ATX computer case In-Reply-To: <70cfce4e0905310639n59ce9133n2281a9d9bbcec528@mail.gmail.com> References: <70cfce4e0905310639n59ce9133n2281a9d9bbcec528@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: do they have an external fan besides the power supply? I need to vent the processor. Thanks Zac On Sunday, May 31, 2009, Andrew Tudor wrote: > I've got a case still new in the box, but it has 3 ext 5.25, 1 ext 3.5, and 5 int 3.5.? $20 if you're interested. > > --Andrew > > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Zachary Garvelink wrote: > I am looking for a?ATX computer case with 4 external 5.25" drive bays and at least 1 80-120mm exhaust fan.?Not too worried about a power supply just need a case for my new?VMware low power server. Looking to spend ~25 to?35 dollars.?Also looking for a 2 bay 3 drive hotswap sata enclsoure. > > > > Thanks > Zac > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > From ebwolf at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 12:29:26 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:29:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documents that come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the documents safely and securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for primary storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt seems like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logical drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-rooted Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especially when backing up one drive to another. Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardware encryption for external drives? -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is > especially true for generic players that aren't tied to a specific stream. > You'll probably be looking for a .flv file. > > There are also sites like keepvid.com which will do most of the work for > you. If the site you're trying to download from is a common one like > Youtube, then there are plenty of ways - google around for a solution. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/36cef690/a= ttachment.htm From sidhale at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 12:39:18 2009 From: sidhale at gmail.com (Sidney Hale) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:39:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b2fa93f10906010939m677788a2l96b605c799bc4b6e@mail.gmail.com> What size storage device are you looking for? I bought an Ironkey last year and love the thing. The largest they come in is 8gb USB sticks though: https://www.ironkey.com/ On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documents th= at > come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the documents safely a= nd > securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for primary > storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in > encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt seems > like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logical > drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-rooted > Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especially when > backing up one drive to another. > Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardware > encryption for external drives? > > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. ~ Woodrow Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/ddb2785e/a= ttachment.htm From leprkhn at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 12:41:53 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:42:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> dGhlcmUgaXMgYWx3YXlzIHRydWVjcnlwdC4KCk9uIE1vbiwgSnVuIDEsIDIwMDkgYXQgMTE6Mjkg QU0sIEVyaWMgV29sZiA8ZWJ3b2xmQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+IEknbSB0cnlpbmcgdG8g Z2l2ZSB1cCB0aGUgcGFwZXIgaGFiaXQgYW5kIHN0YXJ0IHNjYW5uaW5nIGFsbCBkb2N1bWVudHMg dGhhdAo+IGNvbWUgYWNyb3NzIG15IGRlc2suIEJlaW5nIGEgZ2VlaywgSSB3YW50IHRvIHN0b3Jl IHRoZSBkb2N1bWVudHMgc2FmZWx5IGFuZAo+IHNlY3VyZWx5LiBNeSB0aG91Z2h0IHdhcyB0byB1 c2UgYW4gZXh0ZXJuYWwgVVNCIGhhcmQgZHJpdmUgZm9yIHByaW1hcnkKPiBzdG9yYWdlIG9mIHRo ZSBkb2N1bWVudHMuIEkgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgZHJpdmVzIHdpdGggYnVpbHQtaW4K PiBlbmNyeXB0aW9uIGJ1dCB0aGUgcmV2aWV3cyBhcmUgZmV3IGFuZCBmYXIgYmV0d2Vlbi4gV2hp bGUgVHJ1ZUNyeXB0IHNlZW1zCj4gbGlrZSBhbiBleGNlbGxlbnQgc29sdXRpb24gLSBpdCBhbHNv IGludm9sdmVzIG1vdW50aW5nIHNlcGFyYXRlIGxvZ2ljYWwKPiBkcml2ZXMgZm9yIHRoZSBlbmNy eXB0ZWQgdm9sdW1lcy4gU2luY2UgSSdtIG1vc3RseSBzdHVjayBpbiBtdWx0aS1yb290ZWQKPiBX aW5kb3dzIGxhbmQsIHRoZSBleHRyYSB2b2x1bWVzIHF1aWNrbHkgYmVjb21lIGEgaGVhZGFjaGUs IGVzcGVjaWFsbHkgd2hlbgo+IGJhY2tpbmcgdXAgb25lIGRyaXZlIHRvIGFub3RoZXIuCj4gQW55 b25lIGhhdmUgYW55IGV4cGVyaWVuY2Ugd2l0aCBzb2Z0d2FyZS1iYXNlZCBlbmNyeXB0aW9uIHZz LiBoYXJkd2FyZQo+IGVuY3J5cHRpb24gZm9yIGV4dGVybmFsIGRyaXZlcz8KPgo+IC1FcmljCj4K PiAtPS0tPS0tLT0tLS0tPS0tLS09LS0tPS0tPS09LS09LS0tPS0tLS09LS0tPS0tPS09LQo+IEVy aWMgQi4gV29sZiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgNzIwLTIwOS02ODE4Cj4gVVNHUyBH ZW9ncmFwaGVyCj4gQ2VudGVyIG9mIEV4Y2VsbGVuY2UgaW4gR0lTY2llbmNlCj4gUGhEIFN0dWRl bnQKPiBDVS1Cb3VsZGVyIC0gR2VvZ3JhcGh5Cj4KPgo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gQ2h1Z2FsdWcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cj4gQ2h1Z2Fs dWdAY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnCj4gaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlz dGluZm8vY2h1Z2FsdWcKPgo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJz Lm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAwOTA2MDEvYmMwZDlmZDgvYXR0 YWNobWVudC5odG0K From ebwolf at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 12:47:47 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:47:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> Since I'm scanning documents, I'm looking at the largest bus-powered USB device available: 500GB. Two reasons for that - the time cost of scanning, at least initially, will outweigh the difference in price between a USB stick and the 500GB drive. Second reason, I will probably want to stick a backup drive in a safety deposit box - so the smaller form factor is important. I plan to do this both for personal documents and work documents but with separate physical media. That means I'll probably buy six drives altogether (one for active use, one for regular backups, one for off-site storage with monthly refreshes X 2 - personal and work). And my question was about TrueCrypt vs. hardware encryption. I'm thinking ease of use. There's also an AcomData drive with a built-in fingerprint reader. Thoughts? -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:41 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > there is always truecrypt. > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documents >> that come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the documents sa= fely >> and securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for prima= ry >> storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in >> encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt seems >> like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logical >> drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-rooted >> Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especially wh= en >> backing up one drive to another. >> Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardware >> encryption for external drives? >> >> -Eric >> >> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--= =3D-=3D- >> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >> USGS Geographer >> Center of Excellence in GIScience >> PhD Student >> CU-Boulder - Geography >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/10bbdf3c/a= ttachment.htm From sidhale at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 12:58:49 2009 From: sidhale at gmail.com (Sidney Hale) Date: Mon Jun 1 12:59:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b2fa93f10906010958t7b9cc3ccg2aa6ab2c13dbf671@mail.gmail.com> I wouldn't worry about the thumbprint reader. They are usually easily fooled and add to the cost considerably. If you want to use the encrypted drives actively then I would recommend hardware encryption as it is generally faster. Also, hardware encryption has the added benefit of separating the data and encryption system much more smoothly making it harder to bypass. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > Since I'm scanning documents, I'm looking at the largest bus-powered USB > device available: 500GB. Two reasons for that - the time cost of scanning, > at least initially, will outweigh the difference in price between a USB > stick and the 500GB drive. Second reason, I will probably want to stick a > backup drive in a safety deposit box - so the smaller form factor is > important. > I plan to do this both for personal documents and work documents but with > separate physical media. That means I'll probably buy six drives altogeth= er > (one for active use, one for regular backups, one for off-site storage wi= th > monthly refreshes X 2 - personal and work). > > And my question was about TrueCrypt vs. hardware encryption. I'm thinking > ease of use. There's also an AcomData drive with a built-in fingerprint > reader. > > Thoughts? > > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:41 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> there is always truecrypt. >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documents >>> that come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the documents s= afely >>> and securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for prim= ary >>> storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in >>> encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt see= ms >>> like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logical >>> drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-rooted >>> Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especially w= hen >>> backing up one drive to another. >>> Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardware >>> encryption for external drives? >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--= =3D-=3D- >>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>> USGS Geographer >>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>> PhD Student >>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. ~ Woodrow Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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YTk3ODA0L2F0dGFjaG1lbnQtMDAwMS5odG0K From ebwolf at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 13:27:18 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Mon Jun 1 13:27:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <6f62da070906011008g58d8d07ao7e2b9a665e5cdbd@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> <b2fa93f10906010958t7b9cc3ccg2aa6ab2c13dbf671@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906011008g58d8d07ao7e2b9a665e5cdbd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906011027g26298840jc4d994b6fbfed0fc@mail.gmail.com> Wow - those CipherShield drives are nice. Unfortunately, the price premium is pretty steep - especially when buying extras for redundancy. Hmm... Seems Seagate only makes up to a 320GB 2.5" drive with full disk encryption. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > hardware encryption is also going to be more expensive. > if expensive isn't a problem, i've heard that the Buslink products are > nice. www.buslink.com > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Sidney Hale <sidhale@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I wouldn't worry about the thumbprint reader. They are usually easily >> fooled and add to the cost considerably. If you want to use the encrypted >> drives actively then I would recommend hardware encryption as it is >> generally faster. Also, hardware encryption has the added benefit of >> separating the data and encryption system much more smoothly making it >> harder to bypass. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Since I'm scanning documents, I'm looking at the largest bus-powered USB >>> device available: 500GB. Two reasons for that - the time cost of scanni= ng, >>> at least initially, will outweigh the difference in price between a USB >>> stick and the 500GB drive. Second reason, I will probably want to stick= a >>> backup drive in a safety deposit box - so the smaller form factor is >>> important. >>> I plan to do this both for personal documents and work documents but wi= th >>> separate physical media. That means I'll probably buy six drives altoge= ther >>> (one for active use, one for regular backups, one for off-site storage = with >>> monthly refreshes X 2 - personal and work). >>> >>> And my question was about TrueCrypt vs. hardware encryption. I'm thinki= ng >>> ease of use. There's also an AcomData drive with a built-in fingerprint >>> reader. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--= =3D-=3D- >>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>> USGS Geographer >>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>> PhD Student >>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:41 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> there is always truecrypt. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documents >>>>> that come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the documents= safely >>>>> and securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for pr= imary >>>>> storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in >>>>> encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt s= eems >>>>> like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logic= al >>>>> drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-roo= ted >>>>> Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especially= when >>>>> backing up one drive to another. >>>>> Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardware >>>>> encryption for external drives? >>>>> >>>>> -Eric >>>>> >>>>> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D-= -=3D-=3D- >>>>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>>>> USGS Geographer >>>>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>>>> PhD Student >>>>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 >> >> The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty >> is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of i= t. >> ~ Woodrow Wilson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/629fd055/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 14:41:20 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:41:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] IE RANT! Message-ID: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? >From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. ------------------------------ Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt play. Why? Answer: Follow these steps for Windows users only: 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can download it for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox. 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab Options. . . ---------------- What does the plug-in do? IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet Explorer in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... WHY? Well at least it isn't like this one. A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction to firefox. From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 14:42:49 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 14:42:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] IE RANT! In-Reply-To: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <26272.66.129.4.209.1243881769.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <quote who="rwyoung"> > Well at least it isn't like this one. > A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove > without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction to > firefox. forgot the link. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/05/microsoft_update_quietly_insta.html From dave at brockmans.com Mon Jun 1 15:19:23 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:19:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] IE RANT! In-Reply-To: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Because someone spent enough time to figure out their crap only runs in IE, and that there is an IE Tab add-on for Firefox -- instead of writing their page/code to work cross-platform/cross-browser. - -Dave rwyoung wrote: > WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? > >>From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. > ------------------------------ > Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt play. Why? > Answer: > > Follow these steps for Windows users only: > > 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can download it > for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox. > 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. > 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. > 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab Options. . . > ---------------- > What does the plug-in do? > IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet Explorer > in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... > > WHY? > Well at least it isn't like this one. > A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove > without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction to > firefox. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkokKbkACgkQABP1RO+tr2Sj6gCcD62Eo3tDJGyuebX0tmhqapmB RKIAnieHvOQh8u6HMD/J2qw1goACx4DI =ZdUg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 16:11:56 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 16:11:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] IE RANT! In-Reply-To: <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <6991.66.129.4.209.1243887116.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> But runs fine without that in linux. This only on the windows platform. <quote who="Dave Brockman"> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Because someone spent enough time to figure out their crap only runs in > IE, and that there is an IE Tab add-on for Firefox -- instead of writing > their page/code to work cross-platform/cross-browser. > > - -Dave > > rwyoung wrote: >> WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? >> >>>From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. >> ------------------------------ >> Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt play. >> Why? >> Answer: >> >> Follow these steps for Windows users only: >> >> 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can download it >> for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox. >> 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. >> 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. >> 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab Options. . . >> ---------------- >> What does the plug-in do? >> IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet Explorer >> in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... >> >> WHY? >> Well at least it isn't like this one. >> A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove >> without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction to >> firefox. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkokKbkACgkQABP1RO+tr2Sj6gCcD62Eo3tDJGyuebX0tmhqapmB > RKIAnieHvOQh8u6HMD/J2qw1goACx4DI > =ZdUg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From reed.gregory at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 16:13:55 2009 From: reed.gregory at gmail.com (Reed Gregory) Date: Mon Jun 1 16:14:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Linux Admin job Message-ID: <17d926de0906011313n238e6b08j562a51ea3487d206@mail.gmail.com> We have an opening for a Senior Linux Admin here at UTC. We are looking for good quality candidates to interview immediately. http://www.utc.edu/Administration/HumanResources/Employment/#LinuxAdmin I currently work in the group as the Banner Admin which include administering several Linux (CentOS, and Redhat), Windows (2003 and 2008) servers, EMC Clariion CX3/CX4, and VMware Infrastructure and any other infrastructure needs of the banner student information system project. This position would be a primary backup for myself in addition to the main duties listed in the job. If you are interested, please apply and also let me know as we do the first interview tomorrow, and want to make sure we get yours in. Despite being a university, the position does pay fairly well for a Chattanooga IT job. Thanks Reed -- Reed Gregory reed.gregory@gmail.com From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Mon Jun 1 16:34:21 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Mon Jun 1 16:34:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906011027g26298840jc4d994b6fbfed0fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> <b2fa93f10906010958t7b9cc3ccg2aa6ab2c13dbf671@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906011008g58d8d07ao7e2b9a665e5cdbd@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906011027g26298840jc4d994b6fbfed0fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906011334p4cc053d8u3729aea0464622b2@mail.gmail.com> What types of documents will you be scanning? You can keep the file sizes down pretty low if you're scanning to black and white, that should reduce your need for size. I mean you're looking at what 3-5 mb for a b&w 8.5x11 sheet scanned with jpg compression, 300 documents per Gig x 250Gb that's 75,000 pages on a 250Gb drive, color would significantly reduce that number, but scanned documents are still pretty small file-sizes unless you're scanning at really high resolution and no compression. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow - those CipherShield drives are nice. Unfortunately, the price premium > is pretty steep - especially when buying extras for redundancy. > Hmm... Seems Seagate only makes up to a 320GB 2.5" drive with full disk > encryption. > > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> hardware encryption is also going to be more expensive. >> if expensive isn't a problem, i've heard that the Buslink products are >> nice. www.buslink.com >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Sidney Hale <sidhale@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't worry about the thumbprint reader. They are usually easily >>> fooled and add to the cost considerably. If you want to use the encrypt= ed >>> drives actively then I would recommend hardware encryption as it is >>> generally faster. Also, hardware encryption has the added benefit of >>> separating the data and encryption system much more smoothly making it >>> harder to bypass. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Since I'm scanning documents, I'm looking at the largest bus-powered U= SB >>>> device available: 500GB. Two reasons for that - the time cost of scann= ing, >>>> at least initially, will outweigh the difference in price between a USB >>>> stick and the 500GB drive. Second reason, I will probably want to stic= k a >>>> backup drive in a safety deposit box - so the smaller form factor is >>>> important. >>>> I plan to do this both for personal documents and work documents but >>>> with separate physical media. That means I'll probably buy six drives >>>> altogether (one for active use, one for regular backups, one for off-s= ite >>>> storage with monthly refreshes X 2 - personal and work). >>>> >>>> And my question was about TrueCrypt vs. hardware encryption. I'm >>>> thinking ease of use. There's also an AcomData drive with a built-in >>>> fingerprint reader. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--= =3D-=3D- >>>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>>> USGS Geographer >>>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>>> PhD Student >>>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:41 AM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> there is always truecrypt. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm trying to give up the paper habit and start scanning all documen= ts >>>>>> that come across my desk. Being a geek, I want to store the document= s safely >>>>>> and securely. My thought was to use an external USB hard drive for p= rimary >>>>>> storage of the documents. I have been looking at drives with built-in >>>>>> encryption but the reviews are few and far between. While TrueCrypt = seems >>>>>> like an excellent solution - it also involves mounting separate logi= cal >>>>>> drives for the encrypted volumes. Since I'm mostly stuck in multi-ro= oted >>>>>> Windows land, the extra volumes quickly become a headache, especiall= y when >>>>>> backing up one drive to another. >>>>>> Anyone have any experience with software-based encryption vs. hardwa= re >>>>>> encryption for external drives? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D= --=3D-=3D- >>>>>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>>>>> USGS Geographer >>>>>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>>>>> PhD Student >>>>>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 >>> >>> The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liber= ty >>> is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of = it. >>> ~ Woodrow Wilson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell Production Technician 423-313-6405 Network 7 Media Center www.n7mc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906011342q7fe9b3c9j997516556028d768@mail.gmail.com> And it's not like there aren't plenty of types of streaming technology these days that are cross platform. Just make it a flash player and make everyone happy! Don't get me started on IE and specifically people who only program for IE. I'm a web designer so I have quite a bit of experience with cross-browser compatibility. Ok, so it's a little more difficult in the initial design stages to design for every browser, but from my personal experience it's always IE that you have to spend the time making look right, or work right. I don't know why people even bother! I'll be interested to play around with IE8 now that it's out and see if it's any better. But as long as MSoft still has the same philosophy nothing will change in the long run. Gar! On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Because someone spent enough time to figure out their crap only runs in > IE, and that there is an IE Tab add-on for Firefox -- instead of writing > their page/code to work cross-platform/cross-browser. > > - -Dave > > rwyoung wrote: > > WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? > > > >>From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. > > ------------------------------ > > Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt play. > Why? > > Answer: > > > > Follow these steps for Windows users only: > > > > 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can download it > > for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=3Dgetfirefox. > > 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. > > 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. > > 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab Options. . . > > ---------------- > > What does the plug-in do? > > IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet Explorer > > in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... > > > > WHY? > > Well at least it isn't like this one. > > A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove > > without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction to > > firefox. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkokKbkACgkQABP1RO+tr2Sj6gCcD62Eo3tDJGyuebX0tmhqapmB > RKIAnieHvOQh8u6HMD/J2qw1goACx4DI > =3DZdUg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell Production Technician 423-313-6405 Network 7 Media Center www.n7mc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/ddf56c5a/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Mon Jun 1 17:43:06 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:43:11 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Linux Admin job In-Reply-To: <17d926de0906011313n238e6b08j562a51ea3487d206@mail.gmail.com> References: <17d926de0906011313n238e6b08j562a51ea3487d206@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A244B6A.6090603@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reed, I wanted to notify you of my pending application. I am filling in the forms now. I am light on formal education, and heavy on the self-taught and on-the-job learning side. I've administered Linux and Windows servers for over 10 years professionally and personally. The EMC equipment would be my largest learning curve, my SAN experience is limited to HP EVA, smaller NetApp appliances, and generic iSCSI (with Linux as the server). I hope to speak with you soon. It certainly sounds like a great opportunity. Have a great week. Sincerely, Dave Dave Brockman dave@brockmans.com 423.505.3598 Reed Gregory wrote: > We have an opening for a Senior Linux Admin here at UTC. We are > looking for good quality candidates to interview immediately. > > http://www.utc.edu/Administration/HumanResources/Employment/#LinuxAdmin > > I currently work in the group as the Banner Admin which include > administering several Linux (CentOS, and Redhat), Windows (2003 and > 2008) servers, EMC Clariion CX3/CX4, and VMware Infrastructure and any > other infrastructure needs of the banner student information system > project. This position would be a primary backup for myself in > addition to the main duties listed in the job. > > If you are interested, please apply and also let me know as we do the > first interview tomorrow, and want to make sure we get yours in. > Despite being a university, the position does pay fairly well for a > Chattanooga IT job. > > Thanks > Reed > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkokS2gACgkQABP1RO+tr2TYGACdEL6q71XTKT73hbJDarUtfxAP WhoAoKlgE23TmBLkqHIMvTVLKNGGcaRs =cykt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at brockmans.com Mon Jun 1 17:44:00 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Mon Jun 1 17:43:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Linux Admin job In-Reply-To: <4A244B6A.6090603@brockmans.com> References: <17d926de0906011313n238e6b08j562a51ea3487d206@mail.gmail.com> <4A244B6A.6090603@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <4A244BA0.5060407@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My apologies to the list for misfiring :) - -Dave Dave Brockman wrote: > Reed, > I wanted to notify you of my pending application. I am filling in the > forms now. I am light on formal education, and heavy on the > self-taught and on-the-job learning side. I've administered Linux and > Windows servers for over 10 years professionally and personally. The > EMC equipment would be my largest learning curve, my SAN experience is > limited to HP EVA, smaller NetApp appliances, and generic iSCSI (with > Linux as the server). > I hope to speak with you soon. It certainly sounds like a great > opportunity. Have a great week. > > Sincerely, > > Dave > > Dave Brockman > dave@brockmans.com > 423.505.3598 > > Reed Gregory wrote: >> We have an opening for a Senior Linux Admin here at UTC. We are >> looking for good quality candidates to interview immediately. > >> http://www.utc.edu/Administration/HumanResources/Employment/#LinuxAdmin > >> I currently work in the group as the Banner Admin which include >> administering several Linux (CentOS, and Redhat), Windows (2003 and >> 2008) servers, EMC Clariion CX3/CX4, and VMware Infrastructure and any >> other infrastructure needs of the banner student information system >> project. This position would be a primary backup for myself in >> addition to the main duties listed in the job. > >> If you are interested, please apply and also let me know as we do the >> first interview tomorrow, and want to make sure we get yours in. >> Despite being a university, the position does pay fairly well for a >> Chattanooga IT job. > >> Thanks >> Reed > > _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkokS54ACgkQABP1RO+tr2T/rQCeOy10mpi+OBqy1iXEP9z2WlbV vsQAn3wpst2K4S23/uGNZCJmMpWzWQK0 =aatK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 19:04:48 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 19:04:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] IE RANT! In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906011342q7fe9b3c9j997516556028d768@mail.gmail.com> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906011342q7fe9b3c9j997516556028d768@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58947.67.167.162.103.1243897488.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I heard IE * was going to be the last. <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > And it's not like there aren't plenty of types of streaming technology > these > days that are cross platform. Just make it a flash player and make > everyone > happy! > Don't get me started on IE and specifically people who only program for > IE. I'm a web designer so I have quite a bit of experience with > cross-browser compatibility. Ok, so it's a little more difficult in the > initial design stages to design for every browser, but from my personal > experience it's always IE that you have to spend the time making look > right, > or work right. I don't know why people even bother! I'll be interested to > play around with IE8 now that it's out and see if it's any better. But as > long as MSoft still has the same philosophy nothing will change in the > long > run. Gar! > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Because someone spent enough time to figure out their crap only runs in >> IE, and that there is an IE Tab add-on for Firefox -- instead of writing >> their page/code to work cross-platform/cross-browser. >> >> - -Dave >> >> rwyoung wrote: >> > WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? >> > >> >>From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. >> > ------------------------------ >> > Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt >> play. >> Why? >> > Answer: >> > >> > Follow these steps for Windows users only: >> > >> > 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can download >> it >> > for free from http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox. >> > 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from >> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. >> > 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. >> > 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab Options. . >> . >> > ---------------- >> > What does the plug-in do? >> > IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet >> Explorer >> > in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... >> > >> > WHY? >> > Well at least it isn't like this one. >> > A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove >> > without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce fuction >> to >> > firefox. >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkokKbkACgkQABP1RO+tr2Sj6gCcD62Eo3tDJGyuebX0tmhqapmB >> RKIAnieHvOQh8u6HMD/J2qw1goACx4DI >> =ZdUg >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > Production Technician > 423-313-6405 > Network 7 Media Center > www.n7mc.org > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Mon Jun 1 22:11:51 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:12:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Gentoo Linux and Media PC's In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906011907y37abacb2i3e467c1c58114f1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <d06a284e0906011907y37abacb2i3e467c1c58114f1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906011911o4a8ccd19wb5260c2f55bc9144@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I just joined CHUGALUG this week and I thought I'd make a contribution. I run a Gentoo based server on my network that acts as my media computer and manages my network, I thought I would give a quick description of what I've done if anyone else is interested in setting up a homebrew DVR/Media PC for their home network. I have a 3.0 Ghz P4 with 2 gigs of ram, an Nvidia GeForce 8900GS (cheap I know, but I'm not playing games on this machine just HD) and a Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250 PCI-Express digital tuner card. Software wise I am running MythTV and Boxee, experimenting with both I guess, MythTV for TV viewing/recording and Boxee just recently for movies/music/online media. I've spent a very long time putting this system together and it has been a blast watching the technology change. I started this system out several years ago with a Hauppauge PVR-150, which was a very nice bulletproof analog capture card. I chose to upgrade even though Comcast is still broadcasting Analog cable, at least they were up until I switched cards, haven't checked since. On the topic of Comcast, I was very excited to discover they broadcast their entire standard cable (100 channels) in the clear here in Chattanooga (I'm in Apison I assume it's the same downtown) However there is a caveat to this. They broadcast the channels in a random scatter over the frequency spectrum. So what shows up as channel 12 on the cable box is probably something like #34_3 via MythTV. I went through a very long and arduous process of isolating the channels and matching them with their respective channel numbers. I can export a channel/frequency table from my setup if anyone in the area is interested. Setting up this system has been an awesome experience and I highly recommend it to anyone with a decent knowledge of linux who want's a home media center. The beauty of MythTV is that you only really need one computer running the actual server part of the software. You can have multiple "frontends" around the house. The "backend" broadcasts its presence via UPnP for easy access. It's really a beautiful setup. MythTV also manages my entire music and movie libraries, as well as weather, and host of other options. I have 1TB of storage so all my media is in one place and is distributed to the various frontends throughout the house via Samba over Wireless N. Works beautifully. Mac front ends work out of the box with the Apple Remote, and linux works great with a $25 media center remote (windows MCE or other) via Lirc. Anyway, there is SO much to this I don't want to write it all in one email, I just wanted to get my experience out there to see if anyone is interested. I'd love to do a seminar on it for the group if there's enough interest. I work in media, so I'm really passionate about this technology and I love help get other people started. Please let me know if anyone has any questions or wants to know more details. On a side note I am also running OpenLDAP and Bind for my networks local domain. I have mostly macs and linux boxes so I haven't really messed with windows domain managing via Samba yet, I've heard it's a pain, but it might be something I'll throw myself at in the near future. Let me know if anyone needs help on any of this! -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090601/07d45ebc/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 1 22:28:52 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:28:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Gentoo Linux and Media PC's In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906011911o4a8ccd19wb5260c2f55bc9144@mail.gmail.com> References: <d06a284e0906011907y37abacb2i3e467c1c58114f1c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906011911o4a8ccd19wb5260c2f55bc9144@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60707.67.167.162.103.1243909732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Unklike others I haven't taken the plunge. But I am interested. How are secondary back ends used by myth? <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > Hi All, I just joined CHUGALUG this week and I thought I'd make a > contribution. I run a Gentoo based server on my network that acts as my > media computer and manages my network, I thought I would give a quick > description of what I've done if anyone else is interested in setting up a > homebrew DVR/Media PC for their home network. > I have a 3.0 Ghz P4 with 2 gigs of ram, an Nvidia GeForce 8900GS (cheap I > know, but I'm not playing games on this machine just HD) and a Hauppauge > WinTV HVR-1250 PCI-Express digital tuner card. Software wise I am running > MythTV and Boxee, experimenting with both I guess, MythTV for TV > viewing/recording and Boxee just recently for movies/music/online media. > > I've spent a very long time putting this system together and it has been a > blast watching the technology change. I started this system out several > years ago with a Hauppauge PVR-150, which was a very nice bulletproof > analog > capture card. I chose to upgrade even though Comcast is still > broadcasting > Analog cable, at least they were up until I switched cards, haven't > checked > since. > > On the topic of Comcast, I was very excited to discover they broadcast > their > entire standard cable (100 channels) in the clear here in Chattanooga (I'm > in Apison I assume it's the same downtown) However there is a caveat to > this. They broadcast the channels in a random scatter over the frequency > spectrum. So what shows up as channel 12 on the cable box is probably > something like #34_3 via MythTV. I went through a very long and arduous > process of isolating the channels and matching them with their respective > channel numbers. I can export a channel/frequency table from my setup if > anyone in the area is interested. > > Setting up this system has been an awesome experience and I highly > recommend > it to anyone with a decent knowledge of linux who want's a home media > center. The beauty of MythTV is that you only really need one computer > running the actual server part of the software. You can have multiple > "frontends" around the house. > The "backend" broadcasts its presence via UPnP for easy access. It's > really a beautiful setup. > > MythTV also manages my entire music and movie libraries, as well as > weather, > and host of other options. I have 1TB of storage so all my media is in one > place and is distributed to the various frontends throughout the house via > Samba over Wireless N. Works beautifully. Mac front ends work out of the > box with the Apple Remote, and linux works great with a $25 media center > remote (windows MCE or other) via Lirc. > > Anyway, there is SO much to this I don't want to write it all in one > email, > I just wanted to get my experience out there to see if anyone is > interested. > I'd love to do a seminar on it for the group if there's enough interest. > I > work in media, so I'm really passionate about this technology and I love > help get other people started. Please let me know if anyone has any > questions or wants to know more details. > > On a side note I am also running OpenLDAP and Bind for my networks local > domain. I have mostly macs and linux boxes so I haven't really messed > with > windows domain managing via Samba yet, I've heard it's a pain, but it > might > be something I'll throw myself at in the near future. Let me know if > anyone > needs help on any of this! > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Mon Jun 1 22:55:02 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Mon Jun 1 22:54:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Gentoo Linux and Media PC's In-Reply-To: <60707.67.167.162.103.1243909732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <d06a284e0906011907y37abacb2i3e467c1c58114f1c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906011911o4a8ccd19wb5260c2f55bc9144@mail.gmail.com> <60707.67.167.162.103.1243909732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906011955h29f6ec45wa5a7a0f911270238@mail.gmail.com> For a while I had two computers with two different tuners during my transition to digital. The primary and secondary backends operate basically the same except the primary is the one that actually handles the scheduling. The secondary has a different tuner in it and records the video for that tuner to its local hard drive. Then the primary schedules the recordings and points the front ends to the secondary backend to retrieve the recordings when requested. Basically once you set it up it just works and you don't notice. The initial setup isn't that hard either, you just need to know the IPs / domain names of your different backends. It works pretty seamlessly once it's done. You only really notice a lag if you've got several front ends trying to watch video over a 100Mb network at once. And that's network lag not MythTV so its fine over Gb and ok over N. The builtin protocol that MythTV uses to transfer the video has pretty low network overhead though, lower than say smb/cifs or afs. It streams even 1080i video with no lag. A bit of delay for buffering when you first start, but I don't notice after that, even with live tv. Oh I forgot to mention before that I also have MythWeb set up on the box with lets me access/schedule/manage all my recordings, movies, and music remotely via a web browser. It's pretty slick, and even encodes the TV recordings to flash on the fly. Unfortunately it didn't check for 16:9 or 4:3 when it encoded, so everything was 4:3. I hacked the script to check for HD and switch to 16:9, also if anyone wants that. (even in 4:3 HD my tuner puts black bars so the aspect ratio is still 16:9) On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:28 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Unklike others I haven't taken the plunge. > But I am interested. > How are secondary back ends used by myth? > > > <quote who=3D"Ryan Harrell"> > > Hi All, I just joined CHUGALUG this week and I thought I'd make a > > contribution. I run a Gentoo based server on my network that acts as my > > media computer and manages my network, I thought I would give a quick > > description of what I've done if anyone else is interested in setting up > a > > homebrew DVR/Media PC for their home network. > > I have a 3.0 Ghz P4 with 2 gigs of ram, an Nvidia GeForce 8900GS (cheap= I > > know, but I'm not playing games on this machine just HD) and a Hauppauge > > WinTV HVR-1250 PCI-Express digital tuner card. Software wise I am > running > > MythTV and Boxee, experimenting with both I guess, MythTV for TV > > viewing/recording and Boxee just recently for movies/music/online media. > > > > I've spent a very long time putting this system together and it has been > a > > blast watching the technology change. I started this system out several > > years ago with a Hauppauge PVR-150, which was a very nice bulletproof > > analog > > capture card. I chose to upgrade even though Comcast is still > > broadcasting > > Analog cable, at least they were up until I switched cards, haven't > > checked > > since. > > > > On the topic of Comcast, I was very excited to discover they broadcast > > their > > entire standard cable (100 channels) in the clear here in Chattanooga > (I'm > > in Apison I assume it's the same downtown) However there is a caveat to > > this. They broadcast the channels in a random scatter over the frequen= cy > > spectrum. So what shows up as channel 12 on the cable box is probably > > something like #34_3 via MythTV. I went through a very long and arduous > > process of isolating the channels and matching them with their respecti= ve > > channel numbers. I can export a channel/frequency table from my setup = if > > anyone in the area is interested. > > > > Setting up this system has been an awesome experience and I highly > > recommend > > it to anyone with a decent knowledge of linux who want's a home media > > center. The beauty of MythTV is that you only really need one computer > > running the actual server part of the software. You can have multiple > > "frontends" around the house. > > The "backend" broadcasts its presence via UPnP for easy access. It's > > really a beautiful setup. > > > > MythTV also manages my entire music and movie libraries, as well as > > weather, > > and host of other options. I have 1TB of storage so all my media is in > one > > place and is distributed to the various frontends throughout the house > via > > Samba over Wireless N. Works beautifully. Mac front ends work out of > the > > box with the Apple Remote, and linux works great with a $25 media center > > remote (windows MCE or other) via Lirc. > > > > Anyway, there is SO much to this I don't want to write it all in one > > email, > > I just wanted to get my experience out there to see if anyone is > > interested. > > I'd love to do a seminar on it for the group if there's enough interes= t. > > I > > work in media, so I'm really passionate about this technology and I love > > help get other people started. Please let me know if anyone has any > > questions or wants to know more details. > > > > On a side note I am also running OpenLDAP and Bind for my networks local > > domain. I have mostly macs and linux boxes so I haven't really messed > > with > > windows domain managing via Samba yet, I've heard it's a pain, but it > > might > > be something I'll throw myself at in the near future. Let me know if > > anyone > > needs help on any of this! > > > > -- > > Ryan Harrell > > 423-313-6405 > > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young From flushy at flushy.net Tue Jun 2 10:21:56 2009 From: flushy at flushy.net (flushy) Date: Tue Jun 2 10:21:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] External hard drives with built-in encryption In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906010929s349cd7abt4342b8e723d41501@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906010941s2f3bf6d2m1244a067149c8002@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906010947g5df0635fs95abaa2c3ec9399c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A253584.9060000@flushy.net> Eric Wolf wrote: > And my question was about TrueCrypt vs. hardware encryption. I'm > thinking ease of use. There's also an AcomData drive with a built-in > fingerprint reader. You could always encrypt the entire drive with truecrypt.. at least I'm pretty sure you can. 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In-Reply-To: <d38d3bef0906021029w3c19d789r9e13513f28702539@mail.gmail.com> References: <25949.66.129.4.209.1243881680.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A2429BB.7050008@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906011342q7fe9b3c9j997516556028d768@mail.gmail.com> <58947.67.167.162.103.1243897488.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <d38d3bef0906021029w3c19d789r9e13513f28702539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2562B6.4040107@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 One of the driving reasons behind my interest in virtualization.... For those few times I *have* to have a Windows box. The only Windows on hardware here is the WoW box, and that's pretty much what it's become, except for occasionally messing with bootable MS intall CDs, for some reason I can't ever seem to get the boot sector right under *nix. - -Dave Zach Gibbens wrote: > Well it could be worse, it could not run in linux too. > > I have a few IE .NET WMP type rants, I'll save 'em for when Microsoft > declares Bankruptcy or asks for Bailout Money. > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net > <mailto:rwyoung@chattanooga.net>> wrote: > > I heard IE * was going to be the last. > <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > > And it's not like there aren't plenty of types of streaming technology > > these > > days that are cross platform. Just make it a flash player and make > > everyone > > happy! > > Don't get me started on IE and specifically people who only > program for > > IE. I'm a web designer so I have quite a bit of experience with > > cross-browser compatibility. Ok, so it's a little more difficult > in the > > initial design stages to design for every browser, but from my > personal > > experience it's always IE that you have to spend the time making look > > right, > > or work right. I don't know why people even bother! I'll be > interested to > > play around with IE8 now that it's out and see if it's any better. > But as > > long as MSoft still has the same philosophy nothing will change in the > > long > > run. Gar! > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com > <mailto:dave@brockmans.com>> wrote: > > > Because someone spent enough time to figure out their crap only >> runs in > IE, and that there is an IE Tab add-on for Firefox -- instead of >> writing > their page/code to work cross-platform/cross-browser. > > -Dave > > rwyoung wrote: >> WHY THE IN HADES DO NEED TO IE IN A FIREFOX TAB? > >>>From a help section for the KPOJ stream player. >> ------------------------------ >> Question: I'm a Windows user using Firefox and your stream doesnt > play. > Why? >> Answer: > >> Follow these steps for Windows users only: > >> 1) Make sure you have upgraded to Firefox version 3. You can >> download > it >> for free from >> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/?from=getfirefox. >> 2) Download the IE Tab plugin for Firefox 3 from >> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419. >> 3) Install the plugin then be sure to restart Firefox. >> 4) From the Firefox menu, choose Tools, then choose IE Tab >> Options. . > . >> ---------------- >> What does the plug-in do? >> IE Tab - an extension from Taiwan, features: Embedding Internet > Explorer >> in tabs of Mozilla/Firefox... > >> WHY? >> Well at least it isn't like this one. >> A .NET service pack installs a Firefox plugin that you can't remove >> without editing the registry. What does it do? add clickonce >> fuction > to >> firefox. > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ryan Harrell > > Production Technician > > 423-313-6405 > > Network 7 Media Center > > www.n7mc.org <http://www.n7mc.org> > > > -- > R. W. Young > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkolYrQACgkQABP1RO+tr2StzwCff2KQ+d4spfPkHUoqcrPF6s2x K1kAniNCsijdNTC8ptRmJOyfshjitSLJ =zuJN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at brockmans.com Tue Jun 2 13:37:27 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Tue Jun 2 13:37:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players In-Reply-To: <d38d3bef0906021031j7633ea72pcb969b66efec337b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906010727t7a2cb361n237e0088e67a957d@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906010930g786ec74et3af0a7b520db98d@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906021031j7633ea72pcb969b66efec337b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A256357.1020807@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I used to use a FF addon that did the trick 99% of the time. Something like VideoDownloadHelper or something along those lines. As I recall, once you downloaded the object, it could show you where it was on the file system and even play it from it's list of media on the page. Haven't used it in several months, so YMMV. - -Dave Zach Gibbens wrote: > My Favorite, does not work everywhere though. is looking in /tmp for a > file starting with fla > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com > <mailto:chad78@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Bookmarklet - just stick this on your bookmark bar, and click it > when you want to download the video. > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM, James Nylen <jnylen@gmail.com > <mailto:jnylen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, rwyoung > <rwyoung@chattanooga.net <mailto:rwyoung@chattanooga.net>> wrote: > > Any way to mine those to use in standard players. > > > Sometimes the URL can be found in the HTML code for the page. > This is especially true for generic players that aren't tied to > a specific stream. You'll probably be looking for a .flv file. > > There are also sites like keepvid.com <http://keepvid.com> which > will do most of the work for you. If the site you're trying to > download from is a common one like Youtube, then there are > plenty of ways - google around for a solution. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkolY1UACgkQABP1RO+tr2SyywCeK/H+hJIzCKlkWZ9QBrYHRMXw 9p0AoJ15SIiERl73jM0lGaGJ1GuMjl9S =J6Oa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Tue Jun 2 14:06:22 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Tue Jun 2 14:06:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players In-Reply-To: <4A256357.1020807@brockmans.com> References: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906010727t7a2cb361n237e0088e67a957d@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906010930g786ec74et3af0a7b520db98d@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906021031j7633ea72pcb969b66efec337b@mail.gmail.com> <4A256357.1020807@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906021106y7b3df683ibacb05ee0e94749f@mail.gmail.com> On a mac in safari or webkit, you can go to Window and Activity, in the menu bar. You'll see the flash file usually as the activity with the largest file size. Just double click on the file and it will download it directly. This works for any flash video player I've seen so far. I'm not sure if there is a safari/webkit derivative for linux that has this feature or not. Ryan Harrell On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I used to use a FF addon that did the trick 99% of the time. Something > like VideoDownloadHelper or something along those lines. As I recall, > once you downloaded the object, it could show you where it was on the > file system and even play it from it's list of media on the page. > > Haven't used it in several months, so YMMV. > > - -Dave > > Zach Gibbens wrote: > > My Favorite, does not work everywhere though. is looking in /tmp for a > > file starting with fla > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com > > <mailto:chad78@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Bookmarklet - just stick this on your bookmark bar, and click it > > when you want to download the video. > > > > - Chad Smith > > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM, James Nylen <jnylen@gmail.com > > <mailto:jnylen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:16 AM, rwyoung > > <rwyoung@chattanooga.net <mailto:rwyoung@chattanooga.net>> > wrote: > > > > Any way to mine those to use in standard players. > > > > > > Sometimes the URL can be found in the HTML code for the page. > > This is especially true for generic players that aren't tied to > > a specific stream. You'll probably be looking for a .flv file. > > > > There are also sites like keepvid.com <http://keepvid.com> which > > will do most of the work for you. If the site you're trying to > > download from is a common one like Youtube, then there are > > plenty of ways - google around for a solution. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkolY1UACgkQABP1RO+tr2SyywCeK/H+hJIzCKlkWZ9QBrYHRMXw > 9p0AoJ15SIiERl73jM0lGaGJ1GuMjl9S > =3DJ6Oa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090602/ccf1b5af/a= ttachment.htm From jnylen at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 15:27:35 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Tue Jun 2 15:27:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906021106y7b3df683ibacb05ee0e94749f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906010727t7a2cb361n237e0088e67a957d@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906010930g786ec74et3af0a7b520db98d@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906021031j7633ea72pcb969b66efec337b@mail.gmail.com> <4A256357.1020807@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906021106y7b3df683ibacb05ee0e94749f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205a4c310906021227i30c45d9q6aa778853cd04f22@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> wrote: > On a mac in safari or webkit, you can go to Window and Activity, in the > menu bar. You'll see the flash file usually as the activity with the > largest file size. Just double click on the file and it will download it > directly. This works for any flash video player I've seen so far. I'm n= ot > sure if there is a safari/webkit derivative for linux that has this featu= re > or not. > Ryan Harrell > > Firebug may be able to pick up on that in its Network activity view. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090602/8721393c/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 2 17:14:54 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 2 17:14:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] pfsense, openvpn config issues Message-ID: <b131ca890906021414o27df622bnacf39f193d15f6fc@mail.gmail.com> Im having some issues with my pfsense firewall config with openvpn. I normally add new clients to our vpn every couple months and it seems like everytime i have to add a new client, for some reason it doesnt keep the previous settings and i have to recreate them all over again. im using the easy-rsa part of openvpn, and i create the keys on another machine and not the pfsense firewall (freebsd) i do i on our webserver running ubuntu. im not creating the keys in a /tmp folder they are in /root/openvpn/easy-rsa or similar so they should survive a reboot. but every time i go to add keys it doesnt know where the source var is at, and i end up recreating all the keys again, which is a real pain to have to change the keys on all the clients every time i add a new one. my question: Is this normal? i wouldnt think so. The other question i had: Do i have to make seperate keys for all the clients? can i just make a key called "client" and configure all the clients to use the one key? would this cause conflicts with something and/or not work? then i wouldnt have to worry about creating new keys every time we pick up a new client. im looking for the easiest solution and i dont need nasa security or anything. thanks for any input. -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From dave at brockmans.com Tue Jun 2 20:32:58 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:32:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] pfsense, openvpn config issues In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906021414o27df622bnacf39f193d15f6fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906021414o27df622bnacf39f193d15f6fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A25C4BA.9080403@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nick Smith wrote: > Im having some issues with my pfsense firewall config with openvpn. > > I normally add new clients to our vpn every couple months and it seems > like everytime i have to add a new client, for some reason it doesnt > keep the previous settings and i have to recreate them all over > again. > > im using the easy-rsa part of openvpn, and i create the keys on another > machine and not the pfsense firewall (freebsd) i do i on our webserver > running ubuntu. > im not creating the keys in a /tmp folder they are in /root/openvpn/easy-rsa > or similar so they should survive a reboot. but every time i go to add keys > it doesnt know where the source var is at, and i end up recreating all the > keys again, which is a real pain to have to change the keys on all the > clients every time i add a new one. > > my question: > Is this normal? i wouldnt think so. > The other question i had: > Do i have to make seperate keys for all the clients? can i just make a key > called "client" and configure all the clients to use the one key? would this > cause conflicts with something and/or not work? then i wouldnt have to > worry about creating new keys every time we pick up a new client. > > im looking for the easiest solution and i dont need nasa security or anything. > > thanks for any input. > I thought they had an example of multiple-clients using the same key, but the site and documentation has been updated since I was last perusing. I wouldn't advise it. If you're making connections then you're getting the keys in the right place at some point. Sure you're not overwriting them at some point during your process? - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkolxLcACgkQABP1RO+tr2RNiQCeLKSShh2pqTHl1awgDI0CbPNd v9wAnihf38RXhNZJDogRfyM2WXvlIiY2 =WLNa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at brockmans.com Tue Jun 2 20:34:30 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:34:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Fwd: .ORG is signed] Message-ID: <4A25C516.4010809@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - From another list I'm on... - -Dave Colleagues, On behalf of PIR Technical Support I would like to announce that as of today, 2009-06-02, at 16:00 UTC .ORG is DNSSEC signed. The following KSK is now valid for .ORG org. IN DNSKEY 257 3 7 ( AwEAAYpYfj3aaRzzkxWQqMdl7YExY81NdYSv+qayuZDo dnZ9IMh0bwMcYaVUdzNAbVeJ8gd6jq1sR3VvP/SR36mm GssbV4Udl5ORDtqiZP2TDNDHxEnKKTX+jWfytZeT7d3A bSzBKC0v7uZrM6M2eoJnl6id66rEUmQC2p9DrrDg9F6t XC9CD/zC7/y+BNNpiOdnM5DXk7HhZm7ra9E7ltL13h2m x7kEgU8e6npJlCoXjraIBgUDthYs48W/sdTDLu7N59rj CG+bpil+c8oZ9f7NR3qmSTpTP1m86RqUQnVErifrH8Kj DqL+3wzUdF5ACkYwt1XhPVPU+wSIlzbaAQN49PU= ) ; key id = 21366 Please note that due to the use of NSEC3 this key should not be used with BIND versions less than 9.6.0. Please refer to http://www.pir.org/dnssec for more information. As always, please report operational concerns with any Afilias-hosted zone to <noc@afilias-nst.info> dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkolxRUACgkQABP1RO+tr2RAfwCeNryFckWhV+RJLZ0O41oYyzMu BJUAoKEL0qXLfuVwXAPz/u6z2dOyq0Be =As2u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Tue Jun 2 21:18:21 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:18:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Fwd: EPB Fiber Optics Testing] Message-ID: <48240.67.167.162.103.1243991901.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: EPB Fiber Optics Testing From: "EPBFiberOptics" <EPBFiberOptics@epb.net> Date: Tue, June 2, 2009 11:40 am To: "EPBFiberOptics" <EPBFiberOptics@epb.net> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You might have seen on the news recently that we have started testing our fiber optics services in a few areas. You may have even seen a yard sign indicating one of our test homes. At this time we have opened up our employee testing to include a handful of volunteer customers and, as the testing phase progresses, we plan to add more customers. Some of you may have already received a call or email from us, asking for your help in testing. If you have not, please know that your request to test our fiber optic services has not gone unnoticed and you remain on our list in the event we test your location. Right now we are testing in homes located near the two super nodes that are already fully equipped with fiber - one in the North Chattanooga area and the other in the central downtown district (which includes areas like Alton Park and Highland Park). We've chosen these test homes based on where we have both fiber optics and the necessary electronics all in place at this time. If we expand our testing to include your specific area, you will be the first to know! We want to thank you for expressing interest in being a tester and can't tell you how much you are appreciated. We can't wait until we can provide our 100% Fiber Optic services to you and to everyone in our community. = Thank you again! Lacie Lacie Newton EPB Corporate Communications newtonll@epb.net -- = R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090602/e1fbea46/u= ntitled-2.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Tue Jun 2 21:23:19 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:23:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] new Ubuntu wallpaper ;) Message-ID: <55901.67.167.162.103.1243992199.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> all good. But I was making a visual pun. Some folk complain about the default orange and brown ubuntu wallpaper. <quote who="John Aldrich"> > On Tuesday 02 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: >> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/11/high-resolution/#previouspost >> > Not bad... I like this one better though: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081104.html > or this one: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090222.html > and here's another good astronomical picture: > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081126.html > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Tue Jun 2 21:29:57 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Tue Jun 2 21:29:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference Message-ID: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Need a good book or reference to help me wrap my head around local network domains. suggestions? -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dave at brockmans.com Tue Jun 2 22:46:31 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:46:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rwyoung wrote: > Need a good book or reference to help me wrap my head around local network > domains. suggestions? > Define local network domain... - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEUEARECAAYFAkol5AYACgkQABP1RO+tr2TssQCYiaSpQvqkZZJCHYGvP6J6KybO rgCfZzqlH/p3dQwoIIclHZkyZ4msDKY= =1yRk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From infocop411 at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 23:04:36 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Tue Jun 2 23:05:01 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] new Ubuntu wallpaper ;) In-Reply-To: <55901.67.167.162.103.1243992199.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55901.67.167.162.103.1243992199.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906022004n46a61ccas6302d366b2304d62@mail.gmail.com> bWFuLCBJIG1pc3NlZCB0aGF0LiBvaCB3ZWxsLCBJIGNoYW5nZWQgbWluZSAoZGVmYXVsdCBpcyBm aW5lIGZvciBtZSwgYnV0Cml0J3Mgbm90IGEgcGVyc29uYWwgdG91Y2guKQp0aGF0IG1pZ2h0IGJl IHdoeSBJIG92ZXJsb29rZWQgaXQuCgpPbiBUdWUsIEp1biAyLCAyMDA5IGF0IDk6MjMgUE0sIHJ3 eW91bmcgPHJ3eW91bmdAY2hhdHRhbm9vZ2EubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKCj4KPgo+Cj4gYWxsIGdvb2Qu IEJ1dCBJIHdhcyBtYWtpbmcgYSB2aXN1YWwgcHVuLiBTb21lIGZvbGsgY29tcGxhaW4gYWJvdXQg dGhlCj4gZGVmYXVsdCBvcmFuZ2UgYW5kIGJyb3duIHVidW50dSB3YWxscGFwZXIuCj4KPiA8cXVv dGUgd2hvPSJKb2huIEFsZHJpY2giPgo+ID4gT24gVHVlc2RheSAwMiBKdW5lIDIwMDksIHJ3eW91 bmcgd3JvdGU6Cj4gPj4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy53aXJlZC5jb20vd2lyZWRzY2llbmNlLzIwMDgvMTEv aGlnaC1yZXNvbHV0aW9uLyNwcmV2aW91c3Bvc3QKPiA+Pgo+ID4gTm90IGJhZC4uLiBJIGxpa2Ug dGhpcyBvbmUgYmV0dGVyIHRob3VnaDoKPiA+IGh0dHA6Ly9hbnR3cnAuZ3NmYy5uYXNhLmdvdi9h cG9kL2FwMDgxMTA0Lmh0bWwKPiA+IG9yIHRoaXMgb25lOgo+ID4gaHR0cDovL2FudHdycC5nc2Zj Lm5hc2EuZ292L2Fwb2QvYXAwOTAyMjIuaHRtbAo+ID4gYW5kIGhlcmUncyBhbm90aGVyIGdvb2Qg YXN0cm9ub21pY2FsIHBpY3R1cmU6Cj4gPiBodHRwOi8vYW50d3JwLmdzZmMubmFzYS5nb3YvYXBv ZC9hcDA4MTEyNi5odG1sCj4gPgo+Cj4KPiAtLQo+IFIuIFcuIFlvdW5nCj4KPiAiVGhlcmUncyBj bGFzcyB3YXJmYXJlIGFsbCByaWdodC4gQnV0IGl0J3MgbXkgY2xhc3MsIHRoZSByaWNoIGNsYXNz LAo+IHRoYXQncyBtYWtpbmcgd2FyLCBhbmQgd2UncmUgd2lubmluZy4iIC1XYXJyZW4gQnVmZmV0 dAo+Cj4gIkJlaW5nIGNhbGxlZCB2aW5kaWN0aXZlIGFuZCBwYXJ0aXNhbiBieSBUb20gRGVMYXkg aXMgbGlrZSBiZWluZyBjYWxsZWQKPiB1Z2x5IGJ5IGEgZnJvZywiIC1Sb25uaWUgRWFybGUsIEF1 c3RpbiBUZXhhcyBEQQo+Cj4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncG9mdG4ub3JnCj4gaHR0cDovL3RuLmdyZWVu cy5vcmcvCj4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ncHVzLm9yZy8KPiA9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PQo+Cj4KPgo+IC0tCj4gUi4gVy4gWW91bmcKPgo+ICJUaGVyZSdzIGNsYXNzIHdhcmZhcmUg YWxsIHJpZ2h0LiBCdXQgaXQncyBteSBjbGFzcywgdGhlIHJpY2ggY2xhc3MsCj4gdGhhdCdzIG1h a2luZyB3YXIsIGFuZCB3ZSdyZSB3aW5uaW5nLiIgLVdhcnJlbiBCdWZmZXR0Cj4KPiAiQmVpbmcg Y2FsbGVkIHZpbmRpY3RpdmUgYW5kIHBhcnRpc2FuIGJ5IFRvbSBEZUxheSBpcyBsaWtlIGJlaW5n IGNhbGxlZAo+IHVnbHkgYnkgYSBmcm9nLCIgLVJvbm5pZSBFYXJsZSwgQXVzdGluIFRleGFzIERB Cj4KPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdwb2Z0bi5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vdG4uZ3JlZW5zLm9yZy8KPiBodHRw Oi8vd3d3LmdwdXMub3JnLwo+ID09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj4KPgo+IF9f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gQ2h1Z2FsdWcg bWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cj4gQ2h1Z2FsdWdAY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnCj4gaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5l dC9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vY2h1Z2FsdWcKPgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLSBuZXh0 IHBhcnQgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KQW4gSFRNTCBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyBzY3J1YmJlZC4uLgpV Ukw6IGh0dHA6Ly9nZWVrbGFicy5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL2NodWdhbHVnL2F0dGFjaG1lbnRzLzIw MDkwNjAyLzNlZTNjYTg0L2F0dGFjaG1lbnQuaHRtCg== From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 06:09:05 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Wed Jun 3 06:09:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] new Ubuntu wallpaper ;) In-Reply-To: <55901.67.167.162.103.1243992199.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55901.67.167.162.103.1243992199.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <200906030609.05596.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Tuesday 02 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: > all good. But I was making a visual pun. Some folk complain about the > default orange and brown ubuntu wallpaper. > Ahh... Sorry, I missed the joke. :-) From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 09:00:03 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 08:59:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906030600j12deea67uaca72747b3939b94@mail.gmail.com> I'm guessing you want to use bind to assign domain names to computers on your local network. I set this up on Gentoo for my network but I only used the online HOWTOs. There's a ton of really good documentation out there for bind. What distro are you planning on using? I just googled "Gentoo bind HOWTO" and it popped up a ton of results. Let me know if you have any specific questions about the setup. It actually wasn't as hard as I was expecting it to be. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > rwyoung wrote: > > Need a good book or reference to help me wrap my head around local > network > > domains. suggestions? > > > > Define local network domain... > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEUEARECAAYFAkol5AYACgkQABP1RO+tr2TssQCYiaSpQvqkZZJCHYGvP6J6KybO > rgCfZzqlH/p3dQwoIIclHZkyZ4msDKY=3D > =3D1yRk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/4c519a56/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 09:19:52 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:19:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906030600j12deea67uaca72747b3939b94@mail.gmail.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906030600j12deea67uaca72747b3939b94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I use ubuntu mostly. Just trying figure how this fits as a system. <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > I'm guessing you want to use bind to assign domain names to computers on > your local network. I set this up on Gentoo for my network but I only used > the online HOWTOs. There's a ton of really good documentation out there > for > bind. What distro are you planning on using? I just googled "Gentoo bind > HOWTO" and it popped up a ton of results. Let me know if you have any > specific questions about the setup. It actually wasn't as hard as I was > expecting it to be. > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> rwyoung wrote: >> > Need a good book or reference to help me wrap my head around local >> network >> > domains. suggestions? >> > >> >> Define local network domain... >> >> - -Dave >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEUEARECAAYFAkol5AYACgkQABP1RO+tr2TssQCYiaSpQvqkZZJCHYGvP6J6KybO >> rgCfZzqlH/p3dQwoIIclHZkyZ4msDKY= >> =1yRk >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 3 09:27:20 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:27:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906030600j12deea67uaca72747b3939b94@mail.gmail.com> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, rwyoung wrote: > I use ubuntu mostly. Just trying figure how this fits as a system. > > <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> >> I'm guessing you want to use bind to assign domain names to computers on >> your local network. I set this up on Gentoo for my network but I only used Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as well. It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. From dee at pcds.biz Wed Jun 3 09:58:06 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Wed Jun 3 09:58:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> On Wednesday 03 June 2009 9:27:20 am Mike Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, rwyoung wrote: > > I use ubuntu mostly. Just trying figure how this fits as a system. > > > > <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > > > >> I'm guessing you want to use bind to assign domain names to computers on > >> your local network. I set this up on Gentoo for my network but I only > >> used > > Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package > with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as well. > It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. Never used dnsmasq. But then I've always been the "vi the config files" kind of person. I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits with the DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a different place with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be disabled/bypassed and eth0 configured by hand else DHCP will start before the network is enabled and, well, that don't work. Otherwise it rocks. Sound, the NVidia drivers and everything else "just worked". Though I did get all of the DNS/DHCP issues worked out, I plan to eventually replace my router with a dual-NIC box running CentOS and move all of those services to it. I just find it easier to deal with server functionality on CentOS -- even if some packages seem to lag behind a bit more than I'd like. From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 3 10:15:02 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:15:03 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906031012220.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> > I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits with the > DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a different place > with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be disabled/bypassed As an old redhat user I had the same issues, you'll soon learn the debian way, and like it even more. :) Nice thing, the "Debian Way" is used on a lot of other distro's.. and apt rocks. From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 10:16:05 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:16:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <4A268511.4080903@brockmans.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A25E407.7030406@brockmans.com> <45880.67.167.162.103.1244000725.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A25F41A.7090109@brockmans.com> <36225.66.129.4.209.1244035023.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A268511.4080903@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <16447.66.129.4.209.1244038565.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Well I find samba works better with macs. But this whole domain predates windows. I saw it on the sun install. <quote who="Dave Brockman"> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > then why make them act like windows machines? You can use lpd/cups for > printer sharing, and nfs for file sharing... only caveat is that if > you're just logging into individual machines (like windows machines in a > "workgroup"), you have to keep track of user accounts on multiple > machines. > > - -Dave > > rwyoung wrote: >> What if there are no windows machines? >> >> <quote who="Dave Brockman"> >> Well, *nix should be asking you for a dns domain, which you should be >> able to pick up from your DHCP server. Whatever it hands out is most >> likely what the rest of the network is using. >> >> Samba may need the MS Domain. It's probably easiest to just get it from >> a Windows machine. If your Windows Domain is an AD, and you aren't >> joining your machine to said AD, it really doesn't matter a lot what you >> put, as you'll most likely have to send your domain credentials to >> access (or probably even view) resources anyway. >> >> -Dave >> >> rwyoung wrote: >>>>> Such as when I'm installing unix and it asks me to set up a domain. >>>>> Domains come into play when setting up file/printer sharing. >>>>> Internet domains I get. But not this stuff. >>>>> "Dave Brockman"> >>>>> rwyoung wrote: >>>>>>>> Need a good book or reference to help me wrap my head around local >>>>>>>> network >>>>>>>> domains. suggestions? >>>>>>>> >>>>> Define local network domain... >>>>> >>>>> -Dave >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkomhQ8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2T0sgCfTwD+vyxeghu0bFiNEFkG8SsU > s38AoJJ9/zKDonf5amzAgGLbVUAIBC8f > =klXw > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 10:26:22 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:26:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> Message-ID: <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 9:27:20 am Mike Harrison wrote: >> Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package >> with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as well. >> It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. > > Never used dnsmasq. But then I've always been the "vi the config files" kind > of person. > > I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits with the > DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a different place > with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be disabled/bypassed > and eth0 configured by hand else DHCP will start before the network is > enabled and, well, that don't work. Otherwise it rocks. Sound, the NVidia > drivers and everything else "just worked". > > Though I did get all of the DNS/DHCP issues worked out, I plan to eventually > replace my router with a dual-NIC box running CentOS and move all of those > services to it. I just find it easier to deal with server functionality on > CentOS -- even if some packages seem to lag behind a bit more than I'd like. I've gotta say that dnsmasq impressed me. For a small network, especially the typical "grandma" network, the integration in pfsense truly make a viable option. There were a couple of things that it didn't do that I wanted for my network, but it is quite robust and simple. You know, I went though that too... first when learning redhat after accustomed to slackware (this was when slack really acted more like BSD), and then from Redhat to Debian. The only thing I really don't like about Debian/Debian-based in this regard, is the /etc/defaults. Most of the configuration files are in logical, easy to locate locations. I guess I'm just lazy and it annoys me that I have to look in two places (possibly) to configure services. - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkomiA0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmNwCgoXo6PG2yGlqCC4x5OkCBOEWQ yvkAoJA90BThPay1yunAi3kdTWZDI/AB =C/R7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 10:39:59 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:39:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 Message-ID: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. Any ideas? -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 11:13:43 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:13:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906030813k5400cba5sc84be3df7d08cf04@mail.gmail.com> dnsmasq is pretty straightforward and is MUCH easier to deal with than bind that's for sure. The only reason I used bind on my network rather than dnsmasq was because I wanted to learn how to use bind to set up a full-fledged domain. I would definitely recommend dnsmasq for small networks unless your doing the setup for purely educational/self-fulfillment reasons. Ubuntu really seems to be doing well in the distro wars. I'm glad to see a linux that is as solid and easy to use for the general public, but it certainly does move things around and bypasses a lot of user control. I guess I'm too much of a control freak when it comes to my distros :D I've gotten very used to the way Gentoo handles configs, and I LOVE portage. I started out on SUSE way back in the day followed by mandrake/mandriva, but I've been using Gentoo for at least 3 years now. I'm kind of considering trying LFS(linux from scratch), but I'm not quite that self-destructive yet ;) Anyone else tried it? On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 9:27:20 am Mike Harrison wrote: > >> Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package > >> with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as well. > >> It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. > > > > Never used dnsmasq. But then I've always been the "vi the config files" > kind > > of person. > > > > I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits > with the > > DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a different > place > > with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be > disabled/bypassed > > and eth0 configured by hand else DHCP will start before the network is > > enabled and, well, that don't work. Otherwise it rocks. Sound, the NVid= ia > > drivers and everything else "just worked". > > > > Though I did get all of the DNS/DHCP issues worked out, I plan to > eventually > > replace my router with a dual-NIC box running CentOS and move all of > those > > services to it. I just find it easier to deal with server functionality > on > > CentOS -- even if some packages seem to lag behind a bit more than I'd > like. > > I've gotta say that dnsmasq impressed me. For a small network, > especially the typical "grandma" network, the integration in pfsense > truly make a viable option. There were a couple of things that it > didn't do that I wanted for my network, but it is quite robust and simple. > > You know, I went though that too... first when learning redhat after > accustomed to slackware (this was when slack really acted more like > BSD), and then from Redhat to Debian. The only thing I really don't > like about Debian/Debian-based in this regard, is the /etc/defaults. > Most of the configuration files are in logical, easy to locate > locations. I guess I'm just lazy and it annoys me that I have to look > in two places (possibly) to configure services. > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkomiA0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmNwCgoXo6PG2yGlqCC4x5OkCBOEWQ > yvkAoJA90BThPay1yunAi3kdTWZDI/AB > =3DC/R7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/dfd34907/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 11:25:09 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:25:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906030813k5400cba5sc84be3df7d08cf04@mail.gmail.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906030813k5400cba5sc84be3df7d08cf04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1600.66.129.4.209.1244042709.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Your not the only gentoo user on here. LSF is on my list of things to do. I'm currently doing ubuntu cli installs and building gui's with openbox. <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > dnsmasq is pretty straightforward and is MUCH easier to deal with than > bind > that's for sure. The only reason I used bind on my network rather than > dnsmasq was because I wanted to learn how to use bind to set up a > full-fledged domain. I would definitely recommend dnsmasq for small > networks unless your doing the setup for purely > educational/self-fulfillment > reasons. > Ubuntu really seems to be doing well in the distro wars. I'm glad to see > a > linux that is as solid and easy to use for the general public, but it > certainly does move things around and bypasses a lot of user control. I > guess I'm too much of a control freak when it comes to my distros :D I've > gotten very used to the way Gentoo handles configs, and I LOVE portage. I > started out on SUSE way back in the day followed by mandrake/mandriva, but > I've been using Gentoo for at least 3 years now. I'm kind of considering > trying LFS(linux from scratch), but I'm not quite that self-destructive > yet > ;) Anyone else tried it? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Dee Holtsclaw wrote: >> > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 9:27:20 am Mike Harrison wrote: >> >> Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package >> >> with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as >> well. >> >> It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. >> > >> > Never used dnsmasq. But then I've always been the "vi the config >> files" >> kind >> > of person. >> > >> > I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits >> with the >> > DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a >> different >> place >> > with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be >> disabled/bypassed >> > and eth0 configured by hand else DHCP will start before the network is >> > enabled and, well, that don't work. Otherwise it rocks. Sound, the >> NVidia >> > drivers and everything else "just worked". >> > >> > Though I did get all of the DNS/DHCP issues worked out, I plan to >> eventually >> > replace my router with a dual-NIC box running CentOS and move all of >> those >> > services to it. I just find it easier to deal with server >> functionality >> on >> > CentOS -- even if some packages seem to lag behind a bit more than I'd >> like. >> >> I've gotta say that dnsmasq impressed me. For a small network, >> especially the typical "grandma" network, the integration in pfsense >> truly make a viable option. There were a couple of things that it >> didn't do that I wanted for my network, but it is quite robust and >> simple. >> >> You know, I went though that too... first when learning redhat after >> accustomed to slackware (this was when slack really acted more like >> BSD), and then from Redhat to Debian. The only thing I really don't >> like about Debian/Debian-based in this regard, is the /etc/defaults. >> Most of the configuration files are in logical, easy to locate >> locations. I guess I'm just lazy and it annoys me that I have to look >> in two places (possibly) to configure services. >> >> - -Dave >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkomiA0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmNwCgoXo6PG2yGlqCC4x5OkCBOEWQ >> yvkAoJA90BThPay1yunAi3kdTWZDI/AB >> =C/R7 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From leprkhn at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 11:36:26 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:36:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> aG93IG11Y2ggbWVtb3J5IGRvZXMgaXQgaGF2ZT8Kd2hhdHMgdGhlIGNsb2NrIHNwZWVkIG9mIHRo ZSBjcHU/CgpPbiBXZWQsIEp1biAzLCAyMDA5IGF0IDk6MzkgQU0sIHJ3eW91bmcgPHJ3eW91bmdA Y2hhdHRhbm9vZ2EubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKCj4KPiBHb3QgYW4gSUJNIE5ldHZpc3RhIHdpdGggYSBQ NCB0aGF0IGlzIHNsb3cuCj4gTWVtY2hlY2sgc2hvd3Mgbm8gaXNzdWVzLiBCdXQgd2luWFAgaXMg anVzdCBidWcgc2xvdy4KPiBGaXJlZm94IHVuZGVyIFh1YnVudHUgZG9lc24ndCBjb21ldXAuCj4g QW55IGlkZWFzPwo+Cj4gLS0KPiBSLiBXLiBZb3VuZwo+Cj4gIlRoZXJlJ3MgY2xhc3Mgd2FyZmFy ZSBhbGwgcmlnaHQuIEJ1dCBpdCdzIG15IGNsYXNzLCB0aGUgcmljaCBjbGFzcywKPiB0aGF0J3Mg bWFraW5nIHdhciwgYW5kIHdlJ3JlIHdpbm5pbmcuIiAtV2FycmVuIEJ1ZmZldHQKPgo+ICJCZWlu ZyBjYWxsZWQgdmluZGljdGl2ZSBhbmQgcGFydGlzYW4gYnkgVG9tIERlTGF5IGlzIGxpa2UgYmVp bmcgY2FsbGVkCj4gdWdseSBieSBhIGZyb2csIiAtUm9ubmllIEVhcmxlLCBBdXN0aW4gVGV4YXMg REEKPgo+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ3BvZnRuLm9yZwo+IGh0dHA6Ly90bi5ncmVlbnMub3JnLwo+IGh0 dHA6Ly93d3cuZ3B1cy5vcmcvCj4gPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KPgo+Cj4g X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaHVnYWx1 ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBDaHVnYWx1Z0BjaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMu bmV0L2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5l eHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4u ClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMv MjAwOTA2MDMvMGJmZTkwMDQvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 11:47:45 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 11:47:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <1600.66.129.4.209.1244042709.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906030813k5400cba5sc84be3df7d08cf04@mail.gmail.com> <1600.66.129.4.209.1244042709.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906030847p34f5a0acpafb3176215ace719@mail.gmail.com> Glad to hear there's other Gentoo users out there :D Sometimes it gets a bit lonely ha ha. Let me know if you ever start on LFS, i'd be interested in your experience. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:25 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Your not the only gentoo user on here. > LSF is on my list of things to do. > I'm currently doing ubuntu cli installs and building gui's with openbox. > > <quote who=3D"Ryan Harrell"> > > dnsmasq is pretty straightforward and is MUCH easier to deal with than > > bind > > that's for sure. The only reason I used bind on my network rather than > > dnsmasq was because I wanted to learn how to use bind to set up a > > full-fledged domain. I would definitely recommend dnsmasq for small > > networks unless your doing the setup for purely > > educational/self-fulfillment > > reasons. > > Ubuntu really seems to be doing well in the distro wars. I'm glad to s= ee > > a > > linux that is as solid and easy to use for the general public, but it > > certainly does move things around and bypasses a lot of user control. I > > guess I'm too much of a control freak when it comes to my distros :D I'= ve > > gotten very used to the way Gentoo handles configs, and I LOVE portage.= I > > started out on SUSE way back in the day followed by mandrake/mandriva, > but > > I've been using Gentoo for at least 3 years now. I'm kind of consideri= ng > > trying LFS(linux from scratch), but I'm not quite that self-destructive > > yet > > ;) Anyone else tried it? > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> > wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > >> > On Wednesday 03 June 2009 9:27:20 am Mike Harrison wrote: > >> >> Gotta plug "dnsmasq" for small networks.. nice litle package > >> >> with some useful features, especially when you use it for DHCP as > >> well. > >> >> It kicks "bind" for small simple stuff. > >> > > >> > Never used dnsmasq. But then I've always been the "vi the config > >> files" > >> kind > >> > of person. > >> > > >> > I recently swapped my antiquated FC6 for Ubuntu 9.04 64-bit. Had fits > >> with the > >> > DNS and DHCP -- in no small part because *EVERYTHING* is in a > >> different > >> place > >> > with different names. Plus, the NetworkManager has to be > >> disabled/bypassed > >> > and eth0 configured by hand else DHCP will start before the network = is > >> > enabled and, well, that don't work. Otherwise it rocks. Sound, the > >> NVidia > >> > drivers and everything else "just worked". > >> > > >> > Though I did get all of the DNS/DHCP issues worked out, I plan to > >> eventually > >> > replace my router with a dual-NIC box running CentOS and move all of > >> those > >> > services to it. I just find it easier to deal with server > >> functionality > >> on > >> > CentOS -- even if some packages seem to lag behind a bit more than I= 'd > >> like. > >> > >> I've gotta say that dnsmasq impressed me. For a small network, > >> especially the typical "grandma" network, the integration in pfsense > >> truly make a viable option. There were a couple of things that it > >> didn't do that I wanted for my network, but it is quite robust and > >> simple. > >> > >> You know, I went though that too... first when learning redhat after > >> accustomed to slackware (this was when slack really acted more like > >> BSD), and then from Redhat to Debian. The only thing I really don't > >> like about Debian/Debian-based in this regard, is the /etc/defaults. > >> Most of the configuration files are in logical, easy to locate > >> locations. I guess I'm just lazy and it annoys me that I have to look > >> in two places (possibly) to configure services. > >> > >> - -Dave > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkomiA0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmNwCgoXo6PG2yGlqCC4x5OkCBOEWQ > >> yvkAoJA90BThPay1yunAi3kdTWZDI/AB > >> =3DC/R7 > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ryan Harrell > > 423-313-6405 > > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/85a32629/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 12:08:17 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:08:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> 1.8 ghz 256 megs 133 memory bus speed. Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. <quote who="E.H."> > how much memory does it have? > whats the clock speed of the cpu? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> Any ideas? >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ebwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 12:15:00 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:15:23 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would probably not install beyond SP1. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > 1.8 ghz > 256 megs > 133 memory bus speed. > > Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. > I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. > > <quote who=3D"E.H."> > > how much memory does it have? > > whats the clock speed of the cpu? > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. > >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. > >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> -- > >> R. W. Young > >> > >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> > >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> > >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/e6f8395c/a= ttachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 12:25:42 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:26:11 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] 25 best Programmer WebComic Strips Message-ID: <200906031225.42974.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> FUNNY! http://slashweb.org/programming/25-best-programmer-webcomic-strips.html From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 12:31:00 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 12:30:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Drive wiped. Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 May try with my old knoppix. Not mem per memcheck. <quote who="Eric Wolf"> > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would probably > not > install beyond SP1. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> 1.8 ghz >> 256 megs >> 133 memory bus speed. >> >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. >> >> <quote who="E.H."> >> > how much memory does it have? >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 13:43:45 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 13:44:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906031043t1913f538u6352c177f1cf966a@mail.gmail.com> I can almost guarantee you it's the memory. Especially with Firefox, Firefox is a ram hog. See if you can find another 512 at least to throw in there. I think I may have some PC133 ram floating around if you're interested. Let me know. Ryan On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Drive wiped. > Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 > May try with my old knoppix. > Not mem per memcheck. > > > <quote who=3D"Eric Wolf"> > > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would probably > > not > > install beyond SP1. > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> > wrote: > > > >> 1.8 ghz > >> 256 megs > >> 133 memory bus speed. > >> > >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. > >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. > >> > >> <quote who=3D"E.H."> > >> > how much memory does it have? > >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. > >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. > >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. > >> >> Any ideas? > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> R. W. Young > >> >> > >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> >> > >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being > >> called > >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> >> > >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Chugalug mailing list > >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> R. W. Young > >> > >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> > >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> > >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> > >> -- > >> R. W. Young > >> > >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> > >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> > >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/0eedc2a1/a= ttachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 3 14:17:16 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:17:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <200906031417.16745.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 03 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: > Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. > Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. > Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. > Any ideas? > First thing -- how much memory is in that thing? It *sounds* as if it's low on memory, but then again there are a number of things that could be causing it. From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 14:27:00 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:26:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <200906031417.16745.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <200906031417.16745.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45447.66.129.4.209.1244053620.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> 256 meg. <quote who="John Aldrich"> > On Wednesday 03 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> Any ideas? >> > First thing -- how much memory is in that thing? It *sounds* as if it's > low > on memory, but then again there are a number of things that could be > causing it. > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 14:27:33 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:27:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> explain. <quote who="Eric Wolf"> > Ah! Replace the IDE cables. Sounds like you have an intermittent cable > issue. > -Eric > > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> Drive wiped. >> Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 >> May try with my old knoppix. >> Not mem per memcheck. >> >> >> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >> > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would >> probably >> > not >> > install beyond SP1. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> 1.8 ghz >> >> 256 megs >> >> 133 memory bus speed. >> >> >> >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. >> >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. >> >> >> >> <quote who="E.H."> >> >> > how much memory does it have? >> >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >> class, >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> >> called >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 14:29:51 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:29:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906031043t1913f538u6352c177f1cf966a@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <d06a284e0906031043t1913f538u6352c177f1cf966a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51692.66.129.4.209.1244053791.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I suspect you may be right. But still not had issues like this with 256m. Yes I know that is low. <quote who="Ryan Harrell"> > I can almost guarantee you it's the memory. Especially with Firefox, > Firefox > is a ram hog. See if you can find another 512 at least to throw in there. > I think I may have some PC133 ram floating around if you're interested. > Let me know. > Ryan > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> Drive wiped. >> Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 >> May try with my old knoppix. >> Not mem per memcheck. >> >> >> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >> > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would >> probably >> > not >> > install beyond SP1. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> 1.8 ghz >> >> 256 megs >> >> 133 memory bus speed. >> >> >> >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. >> >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. >> >> >> >> <quote who="E.H."> >> >> > how much memory does it have? >> >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >> class, >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> >> called >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ebwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 14:35:45 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:36:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> If you read Jerry Pournelle's column in the old PC mag, you'd know his mantra: "always replace the cables first." Cables seem like they should either work or not - but all too often they "almost" work. Computers have so much error correction in signal lines that they can hobble along on bad cables for ages. You don't even notice until the computer is spending more time correcting errors than transferring data. The clue is the trouble booting off a live CD. A bad IDE cable can give similar behavior to a scratched disk - the CD drive will keep rereading the same portion of the disk. Part of Jerry Pournelle's mantra is the fact that cables are cheap to replace - so it makes sense to swap them out first. He was also a big fan of self-terminating SCSI cables. Back in the day of SCSI-1 and SCSI-2, an intermittently-bad terminator would be a major pain in the ass. Worse than Arnold! -Eric P.S. Of course, Ubuntu requires 512MB to install, so that might be the problem too. But since you said the system seemed to get running slower than it used to, I wasn't thinking about the RAM. -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > explain. > <quote who=3D"Eric Wolf"> > > Ah! Replace the IDE cables. Sounds like you have an intermittent cable > > issue. > > -Eric > > > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--= =3D-=3D- > > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > > USGS Geographer > > Center of Excellence in GIScience > > PhD Student > > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> > wrote: > > > >> Drive wiped. > >> Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 > >> May try with my old knoppix. > >> Not mem per memcheck. > >> > >> > >> <quote who=3D"Eric Wolf"> > >> > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would > >> probably > >> > not > >> > install beyond SP1. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> 1.8 ghz > >> >> 256 megs > >> >> 133 memory bus speed. > >> >> > >> >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. > >> >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. > >> >> > >> >> <quote who=3D"E.H."> > >> >> > how much memory does it have? > >> >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. > >> >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. > >> >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. > >> >> >> Any ideas? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> R. W. Young > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich > >> class, > >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being > >> >> called > >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Chugalug mailing list > >> >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> R. W. Young > >> >> > >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> >> > >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being > >> called > >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> >> > >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> R. W. Young > >> >> > >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> >> > >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being > >> called > >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> >> > >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Chugalug mailing list > >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> R. W. Young > >> > >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > >> > >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > >> > >> http://www.gpoftn.org > >> http://tn.greens.org/ > >> http://www.gpus.org/ > >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >> > >> > >> > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/03166d2a/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 3 14:55:55 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 3 14:55:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Not my system. It has been dog slow for an anothe office. I'm trying to debug. I check into cables. But while 256 is low mem it shouldn't be this flake. I wondering if this particular processor doesn't like being memory starved. <quote who="Eric Wolf"> > If you read Jerry Pournelle's column in the old PC mag, you'd know his > mantra: "always replace the cables first." > Cables seem like they should either work or not - but all too often they > "almost" work. Computers have so much error correction in signal lines > that > they can hobble along on bad cables for ages. You don't even notice until > the computer is spending more time correcting errors than transferring > data. > > The clue is the trouble booting off a live CD. A bad IDE cable can give > similar behavior to a scratched disk - the CD drive will keep rereading > the > same portion of the disk. > > Part of Jerry Pournelle's mantra is the fact that cables are cheap to > replace - so it makes sense to swap them out first. He was also a big fan > of > self-terminating SCSI cables. Back in the day of SCSI-1 and SCSI-2, an > intermittently-bad terminator would be a major pain in the ass. Worse than > Arnold! > > -Eric > > P.S. Of course, Ubuntu requires 512MB to install, so that might be the > problem too. But since you said the system seemed to get running slower > than > it used to, I wasn't thinking about the RAM. > > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> explain. >> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >> > Ah! Replace the IDE cables. Sounds like you have an intermittent cable >> > issue. >> > -Eric >> > >> > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >> > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >> > USGS Geographer >> > Center of Excellence in GIScience >> > PhD Student >> > CU-Boulder - Geography >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Drive wiped. >> >> Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 >> >> May try with my old knoppix. >> >> Not mem per memcheck. >> >> >> >> >> >> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >> >> > Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would >> >> probably >> >> > not >> >> > install beyond SP1. >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> 1.8 ghz >> >> >> 256 megs >> >> >> 133 memory bus speed. >> >> >> >> >> >> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. >> >> >> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. >> >> >> >> >> >> <quote who="E.H."> >> >> >> > how much memory does it have? >> >> >> > whats the clock speed of the cpu? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung >> <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >> >> >> >> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >> >> >> >> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >> >> class, >> >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like >> being >> >> >> called >> >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >> class, >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> >> called >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >> class, >> >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> >> called >> >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >> called >> >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 15:02:22 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:02:23 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I cringe on XP SP2/SP3 systems running on 512 MB RAM... I'd be running W2K if I had to run Windows and only had 256 MB. And no processor likes to have to wait on disk i/o to fetch instructions :) - -Dave rwyoung wrote: > Not my system. > It has been dog slow for an anothe office. > I'm trying to debug. > I check into cables. > But while 256 is low mem it shouldn't be this flake. > I wondering if this particular processor doesn't like being memory starved. > > <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >> If you read Jerry Pournelle's column in the old PC mag, you'd know his >> mantra: "always replace the cables first." >> Cables seem like they should either work or not - but all too often they >> "almost" work. Computers have so much error correction in signal lines >> that >> they can hobble along on bad cables for ages. You don't even notice until >> the computer is spending more time correcting errors than transferring >> data. >> >> The clue is the trouble booting off a live CD. A bad IDE cable can give >> similar behavior to a scratched disk - the CD drive will keep rereading >> the >> same portion of the disk. >> >> Part of Jerry Pournelle's mantra is the fact that cables are cheap to >> replace - so it makes sense to swap them out first. He was also a big fan >> of >> self-terminating SCSI cables. Back in the day of SCSI-1 and SCSI-2, an >> intermittently-bad terminator would be a major pain in the ass. Worse than >> Arnold! >> >> -Eric >> >> P.S. Of course, Ubuntu requires 512MB to install, so that might be the >> problem too. But since you said the system seemed to get running slower >> than >> it used to, I wasn't thinking about the RAM. >> >> -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >> USGS Geographer >> Center of Excellence in GIScience >> PhD Student >> CU-Boulder - Geography >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: >> >>> explain. >>> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >>>> Ah! Replace the IDE cables. Sounds like you have an intermittent cable >>>> issue. >>>> -Eric >>>> >>>> -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >>>> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >>>> USGS Geographer >>>> Center of Excellence in GIScience >>>> PhD Student >>>> CU-Boulder - Geography >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:31 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >>> wrote: >>>>> Drive wiped. >>>>> Having issues testing with live disk Ubuntu .04 >>>>> May try with my old knoppix. >>>>> Not mem per memcheck. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <quote who="Eric Wolf"> >>>>>> Have you installed the service packs? On such a system, I would >>>>> probably >>>>>> not >>>>>> install beyond SP1. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:08 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> 1.8 ghz >>>>>>> 256 megs >>>>>>> 133 memory bus speed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could use more mem but it should not be as slow as it is. >>>>>>> I'll check for a cpu diag. Someone seems to think the cpu fugged. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <quote who="E.H."> >>>>>>>> how much memory does it have? >>>>>>>> whats the clock speed of the cpu? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:39 AM, rwyoung >>> <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Got an IBM Netvista with a P4 that is slow. >>>>>>>>> Memcheck shows no issues. But winXP is just bug slow. >>>>>>>>> Firefox under Xubuntu doesn't comeup. >>>>>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> R. W. Young >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >>>>> class, >>>>>>>>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like >>> being >>>>>>> called >>>>>>>>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>>>>>>>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>>>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>>>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>>>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> R. W. Young >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >>> class, >>>>>>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >>>>> called >>>>>>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>>>>>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>>>>>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> R. W. Young >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich >>> class, >>>>>>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >>>>> called >>>>>>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>>>>>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>>>>>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>>>>>> ============================= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> R. W. Young >>>>> >>>>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >>>>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>>>> >>>>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being >>> called >>>>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>>>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>>>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>>>> ============================= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >>> >>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>> >>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>> >>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>> ============================= >>> >>> >>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkomyLwACgkQABP1RO+tr2TphgCePNIXne7qqjbwpcslbO70lIYL MlAAoLLwSHKr69dJU8UTV6ae0XxGSwbh =5/4R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 3 15:26:01 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 3 15:26:03 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT Message-ID: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that is in the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to fix this issue. When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT command. Like so: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; when it should look like so: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822;<1@2.3> I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; DATA remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command thanks, -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/18409232/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 17:23:47 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:23:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does this sendmail go through a Cisco PIX by chance to talk to the outside world? - -Dave wes wrote: > I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. > Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that is in > the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to > fix this issue. > > When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my > installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT > command. Like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; > > when it should look like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822;<1@2.3> > > I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in > the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > > Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > > SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > > local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; > DATA > remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments > remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > > thanks, > -wes > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkom6eIACgkQABP1RO+tr2QDtwCeJor6cxIOfz9LgfM+rwqxsLpI WfsAnitwi9um0jB29tiR1QfIdLVKEjh4 =cbHp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 3 17:25:28 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:25:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> Wow. You are the second person to ask that... I suppose it's possible, but I'm inspecting packets locally on the machine that is sending these out. So I don't see how a firewall could be interfering... -wes On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Does this sendmail go through a Cisco PIX by chance to talk to the > outside world? > > - -Dave > > wes wrote: > > I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. > > Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that is in > > the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to > > fix this issue. > > > > When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my > > installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT > > command. Like so: > > > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; > > > > when it should look like so: > > > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822;<1@2.3> > > > > I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in > > the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > > > > Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > > > > SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > > > > local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc8= 22; > > DATA > > remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments > > remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > > > > > thanks, > > -wes > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkom6eIACgkQABP1RO+tr2QDtwCeJor6cxIOfz9LgfM+rwqxsLpI > WfsAnitwi9um0jB29tiR1QfIdLVKEjh4 > =3DcbHp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/a6c8bf7b/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 17:34:08 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:34:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A26EC50.3000009@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's because the smtp-fixup on PIX and at least some ASA's break things horribly -- especially with EHLO syntax extensions. And of course it defaults to on, you have to manually disable it. I don't believe <> are used for the ORCPT parameter, and one other odd thing, shouldn't your server wait for a 250 from RCPT before it sends the DATA command? - -Dave wes wrote: > Wow. You are the second person to ask that... > > I suppose it's possible, but I'm inspecting packets locally on the > machine that is sending these out. So I don't see how a firewall could > be interfering... > > -wes > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com > <mailto:dave@brockmans.com>> wrote: > > Does this sendmail go through a Cisco PIX by chance to talk to the > outside world? > > -Dave > > wes wrote: >> I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. >> Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that > is in >> the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to >> fix this issue. > >> When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my >> installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT >> command. Like so: > >> RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; > >> when it should look like so: > >> RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822;<1@2.3> > >> I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in >> the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > >> Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > >> SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > >> local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; >> DATA >> remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments >> remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > >> thanks, >> -wes > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkom7E4ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QMdgCeJABdzzP/aHokovlU1H/eO3pV USAAn2PeWdfLlCMbwPzkkfe9DvixeSHP =2/6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 3 17:44:55 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:45:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <4A26EC50.3000009@brockmans.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> <4A26EC50.3000009@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906031444i2cdd2158lc4085e596ceb5ffe@mail.gmail.com> Given that I'm doing packet inspection on the same box on which the MTA is running, do you still think there could be some firewall issue? Like maybe what I'm really seeing is the text echoed back to me from the remote end? I sort of doubt this, but it is possible. I added the <>s myself. I agree they are probably not supposed to be used in the ORCPT bit. I don't think the spec calls for waiting for a 250 from the RCPT before sending DATA. It does wait for other bits (like the initial greeting) as is called for in the spec. Also, I don't really see it causing any issues in this case. If that assumption is uncorrect, please let me know. thanks, -wes On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > That's because the smtp-fixup on PIX and at least some ASA's break > things horribly -- especially with EHLO syntax extensions. And of > course it defaults to on, you have to manually disable it. > > I don't believe <> are used for the ORCPT parameter, and one other odd > thing, shouldn't your server wait for a 250 from RCPT before it sends > the DATA command? > > - -Dave > > wes wrote: > > Wow. You are the second person to ask that... > > > > I suppose it's possible, but I'm inspecting packets locally on the > > machine that is sending these out. So I don't see how a firewall could > > be interfering... > > > > -wes > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com > > <mailto:dave@brockmans.com>> wrote: > > > > Does this sendmail go through a Cisco PIX by chance to talk to the > > outside world? > > > > -Dave > > > > wes wrote: > >> I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. > >> Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that > > is in > >> the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to > >> fix this issue. > > > >> When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my > >> installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT > >> command. Like so: > > > >> RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; > > > >> when it should look like so: > > > >> RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822;<1@2.3> > > > >> I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in > >> the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > > > >> Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > > > >> SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > > > >> local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc= 822; > >> DATA > >> remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments > >> remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > > > > >> thanks, > >> -wes > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkom7E4ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QMdgCeJABdzzP/aHokovlU1H/eO3pV > USAAn2PeWdfLlCMbwPzkkfe9DvixeSHP > =3D2/6O > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/5570a31a/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 19:13:35 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:13:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906031444i2cdd2158lc4085e596ceb5ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> <4A26EC50.3000009@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031444i2cdd2158lc4085e596ceb5ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A27039F.9030708@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 wes wrote: > Given that I'm doing packet inspection on the same box on which the MTA > is running, do you still think there could be some firewall issue? Like > maybe what I'm really seeing is the text echoed back to me from the > remote end? I sort of doubt this, but it is possible. If you're sniffing packets on the originating SMTP server, then you should see what's on the wire. In that scenario, at least your outgoing packets should be 'virgin', as untouched from any DPI on your router/firewall. > I added the <>s myself. I agree they are probably not supposed to be > used in the ORCPT bit. I don't think they are needed, and the few quick examples I have laying around don't use them. > I don't think the spec calls for waiting for a 250 from the RCPT before > sending DATA. It does wait for other bits (like the initial greeting) as > is called for in the spec. Also, I don't really see it causing any > issues in this case. If that assumption is uncorrect, please let me know. I'd have to dig out the RFC's to get the precise answer, but I do know that the SMTP transaction typically (and should, bad MS implementations do not always) waits for a response before proceeding, especially at steps that can be the cause of denial. Your From can be denied, your RCPT can be denied, pretty much anything else that hasn't already been triggered will have to wait until the message is transmitted. (IP/Domain/ReverseDNS/MX-Validation etc should already be complete by this time) As a matter of fact, Postfix has a setting to delay all denies until after the rcpt line is sent, to work around specific MS clients that ignore them completely until this time... Unfortunately, sendmail config being what it is, I'd pretty much have to see the mc file to make sense of the configuration. I don't know of anything that will specifically cause the symptoms you are experiencing. Are you dealing with 1) relay domains 2) virtual domains 3) virtual users ? Does it exhibit the same symptoms with different sending and receiving addresses, or seem to be the same with all possible variables? - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkonA50ACgkQABP1RO+tr2RfvwCbBiX8eg2nJrpkh4UkjDgxhiGF VEwAoJfqPA+hSzsKfkCM1FfF9nBryLdo =kjg5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 3 19:50:52 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 3 19:51:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <4A27039F.9030708@brockmans.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <4A26E9E3.7060204@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031425y451a7f84ma44e791cb47fab7a@mail.gmail.com> <4A26EC50.3000009@brockmans.com> <b399d1c10906031444i2cdd2158lc4085e596ceb5ffe@mail.gmail.com> <4A27039F.9030708@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906031650k2313052bwf2b5b9ab8a586f0b@mail.gmail.com> > > wes wrote: > > Given that I'm doing packet inspection on the same box on which the MTA > > is running, do you still think there could be some firewall issue? Like > > maybe what I'm really seeing is the text echoed back to me from the > > remote end? I sort of doubt this, but it is possible. > > If you're sniffing packets on the originating SMTP server, then you > should see what's on the wire. In that scenario, at least your outgoing > packets should be 'virgin', as untouched from any DPI on your > router/firewall. > I agree, they "should" be :) There is plenty of room for oddness in this case as it is a Xen virtual machine provided by Amazon (EC2), and I do not have control of the host configuration. Who knows what kind of craziness they've done to it...... > I don't think the spec calls for waiting for a 250 from the RCPT before > > sending DATA. It does wait for other bits (like the initial greeting) as > > is called for in the spec. Also, I don't really see it causing any > > issues in this case. If that assumption is uncorrect, please let me kno= w. > > I'd have to dig out the RFC's to get the precise answer, but I do know > that the SMTP transaction typically (and should, bad MS implementations > do not always) waits for a response before proceeding, especially at > steps that can be the cause of denial. Your From can be denied, your > RCPT can be denied, pretty much anything else that hasn't already been > triggered will have to wait until the message is transmitted. > (IP/Domain/ReverseDNS/MX-Validation etc should already be complete by > this time) As a matter of fact, Postfix has a setting to delay all > denies until after the rcpt line is sent, to work around specific MS > clients that ignore them completely until this time... > Either way, I have tested this manually and can reproduce the problem without the additional problem of sending DATA before the response is received from the RCPT command. Unfortunately, sendmail config being what it is, I'd pretty much have to > see the mc file to make sense of the configuration. I don't know of > anything that will specifically cause the symptoms you are experiencing. > Are you dealing with 1) relay domains 2) virtual domains 3) virtual > users ? Does it exhibit the same symptoms with different sending and > receiving addresses, or seem to be the same with all possible variables? > This is a basic, stock config. It is being used for outbound mail only. No additional domains (virtual or otherwise), no users, no aliases, no shenanigans (that I'm aware of - I'm not the only admin of this system). Which mc file would be helpful to share? I have no problem posting configs after sanitizing. I found a /etc/mail/linux.mc which appears to just load a couple dozen cf files. Or, I could always zip them up and send them directly to you. thanks for your help, -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/32c8ab3e/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Wed Jun 3 21:20:03 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:20:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD Message-ID: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. I have this card in my media center PC http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD channels. They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from comcast? any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an antenna to it? will i have to buy another card or something? hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as well. (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box anymore what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain time, but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the instant view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy selection. my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant view and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i wanted to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more available. eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im not sure how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my hardware is compatible. -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From flushy at flushy.net Wed Jun 3 21:25:23 2009 From: flushy at flushy.net (flushy) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:25:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] local domain docs/reference In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906030847p34f5a0acpafb3176215ace719@mail.gmail.com> References: <54596.67.167.162.103.1243992597.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <44569.66.129.4.209.1244035192.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906030926060.10475@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906030958.06726.dee@pcds.biz> <4A26880E.5040409@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906030813k5400cba5sc84be3df7d08cf04@mail.gmail.com> <1600.66.129.4.209.1244042709.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <d06a284e0906030847p34f5a0acpafb3176215ace719@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A272283.3050001@flushy.net> Ryan Harrell wrote: > Glad to hear there's other Gentoo users out there :D Sometimes it gets a bit lonely ha ha. Let me know if you ever start on LFS, i'd be interested in your experience. I'm a gentoo user as well. Though, I've been lurking lately.. well ok.. for about a year I've lurked. I have it on my dell inspiron 9400, too. I recently got a MSI Wind PC bare bones system with an intel atom 230 and an OCZ 30GB SSD to go with it. It replaced my other home server, and now it sits on top of my cable box silent as ever. I also replaced the 80GB dell drive with Intel's X25-M 80GB drive. I recommend it for speed, but for some reason I've lost my suspend to ram since the switch. The SSD doesn't come back like the platter drive did. Perhaps it comes back too quickly for the OS. I can still hibernate however, so it's not a deal killer. From flushy at flushy.net Wed Jun 3 21:27:50 2009 From: flushy at flushy.net (flushy) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:27:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> Dave Brockman wrote: > I cringe on XP SP2/SP3 systems running on 512 MB RAM... I'd be running > W2K if I had to run Windows and only had 256 MB. And no processor likes > to have to wait on disk i/o to fetch instructions :) haha. When I met my girlfriend, she had a gateway. One day after we've been going out for awhile, she asked me to look at her PC, because it was slow. I nearly fell out of the chair when I saw how much memory she had. 64 Megs. They sold it to her that way. Preinstalled with Windows XP. From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 21:33:07 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:33:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> Message-ID: <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 flushy wrote: > 64 Megs. > > They sold it to her that way. > > Preinstalled with Windows XP. hehe, yeah, I think we're all familiar with the retailers games... *sigh* My little OS/2 box that could sure ran well on 64MB :) - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkonJFEACgkQABP1RO+tr2SZ1gCffLYtc/pnUTN41R93sI5KtyeY /L8AnjYENxJ1a129qjOLxLcqLJEBXap/ =bSRg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Wed Jun 3 22:08:40 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:09:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Ubuntu: Gray screens and slow.. (futex_wait) Message-ID: <a171680b0906031908w52b68c18l25ba6e58cabffea7@mail.gmail.com> SSBoYXZlIHJlY2VudGx5IGJlZW4gaGF2aW5nIGFuIGlzc3VlIHdpdGggbXkgRmlyZUZveCBnb2lu ZyBncmF5IChzaGFkb3dlZCkKYW5kIGl0IHN0b3BzIHJlc3BvbmRpbmcuICBJIG5vdGljZWQgd2hl biB0aGlzIGhhcHBlbnMgdGhhdCBpdCdzIHN0YXRlIGlzCiJmdXRleC13YWl0Ii4gIGkgYWxzbyBu b3RpY2VkIHRoYXQgcHVsc2VhdWRpbyB3YXMgYWxzbyAiZnV0ZXhfd2FpdCIuICBJdAphcHBlYXJz IHRoZSBpc3N1ZSB3YXMgdGhhdCBwdWxzZWF1ZGlvIHdhcyBub3Qgc2V0dXAgcHJvcGVybHkgKGJ5 IGRlZmF1bHQpCmFuZCBtb3JlIHRoYW4gdG8gdGhpbmdzIHdlcmUgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIHVzZSB0aGUg c2FtZSBhdWRpbyBkZXZpY2UgKGFsc2EgJgpwdWxzZWF1ZGlvKS4gIHRoZSBmaXJlZm94IGlzc3Vl IHdhcyBzZWNvbmRhcnksIGl0IHNlZW1zIEZpcmVGb3ggd2FzIHRyeWluZwp0byBtYWtlIGEgc291 bmQgaGFwcGVuLCBhbmQgc2luY2UgcHVsc2VhdWRpbyB3YXMgYXQgImZ1dGV4X3dhaXQiIGl0IHdh cyBhcwp3ZWxsLCB1bnRpbCB0aGUgc2VuZGluZyBvZiBzb3VuZCBlbmRlZCBvciBpdCBnYXZlIHVw LiAoaSBrbm93IHRoYXQgdGhlIHRlcm1zCmkgdXNlZCBhcmVuJ3QgZXhhY3QsIGJ1dCB0aGV5IHdp bGwgYmUgbW9yZSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kYWJsZSB0aGFuIHRoZSB0ZWNobmljYWwKb25lcykKCkhlcmUg aXMgYSBsaW5rIGFzIHRvIGhvdyBpIHJlc29sdmVkIHRoZSBpc3N1ZToKCmh0dHA6Ly91YnVudHVm b3J1bXMub3JnL3Nob3d0aHJlYWQucGhwP3Q9OTk3NTA2CgpJIGhvcGUgbm8gb25lIGVsc2UgaGFz IHRoaXMgaXNzdWUgYnV0IGkgYW0gcHJvdmlkaW5nIGl0IGluIGNhc2UgeW91IGRvLgoKR3JhbnQK CgotLSAKIkFueW9uZSB3aWxsaW5nIHRvIGdpdmUgdXAgbGliZXJ0eSBpbiBleGNoYW5nZSBmb3Ig c2VjdXJpdHkgZGVzZXJ2ZXMKbmVpdGhlci4iIC0gQmVuamFtaW4gRnJhbmtsaW4KCiJCbGluZCBm YWl0aCBpbiBiYWQgbGVhZGVycyBpcyBub3QgcGF0cmlvdGlzbS4iIC0gTWF5b3IgUm9ja3kgQW5k ZXJzb24sIFNhbHQKTGFrZSBDaXR5CgoiQSBwYXRyaW90IG11c3QgYWx3YXlzIGJlIHJlYWR5IHRv IGRlZmVuZCBoaXMgY291bnRyeSBhZ2FpbnN0IGhpcwpnb3Zlcm5tZW50LiIgLSBFZHdhcmQgQWJi ZXkKLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNo bWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9j aHVnYWx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDYwMy9lODIyOWE4Ni9hdHRhY2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 22:25:44 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:25:40 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! So yes your hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. No analog support, but meh, who needs that anyway. Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. Comcast is required by law to send them down the cable unencrypted. Anything you get over the air, you get through Comcast. It's actually a fairly good quality signal, though it is more compressed than over the air. I get about 6 HD channels, several are 720i and several are actually 1080i. I don't thing comcast sends anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. Anyway, MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like that, with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. You just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it should pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. I actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels are WFLI, WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. I would definitely recommend moving to linux if you have the time for the initial setup. It's well worth it. What Distro are you planning on using? Mythbuntu seems to work pretty well from what I've heard, pretty plug and play, though you may have trouble since your card's driver is so new. Anyway let me know if you have any specific problems. I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card setups. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. > Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. > I have this card in my media center PC > http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html > It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. > > But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD channels. > They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. > > Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from comcas= t? > any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an antenna > to it? > will i have to buy another card or something? > > hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as > well. > (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) > > just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box anymore > what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. > i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain tim= e, > but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. > > and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the > instant > view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy > selection. > my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant view > and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i wanted > to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more available. > > eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im n= ot > sure > how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my > hardware is > compatible. > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/7ece3a2f/a= ttachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 3 22:47:20 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 3 22:47:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:33:07 -0400 Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > *sigh* My little OS/2 box that could sure ran well on 64MB :) [/me shakes palsied hand holding on to cane] "Back when I was a boy..." More seriously, the chip I'm using for the real-time stuff on the device I'm currently working on will have 64MB of RAM hanging off it. This is the portion of the device that's so real-time that it mostly won't be running interrupts because I've got a 2us pulse that needs to be very accurate; if I go long on it I let the smoke out of downstream hardware. There'll be another chip with similar amounts of RAM running Linux for UI and such. Can't wait 'til I can tell the war stories about this one. I think needing to clean the office with denatured alcohol this morning because of hardware problems last night is going to be one for the books. Dan From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 3 23:06:54 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:06:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906032006g18586217mb7ff7d29a5574c2a@mail.gmail.com> Anyone who's interested in starting a good MythTV setup, this tuner is a really good one, with excellent linux support. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16815116016 On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com>wrote: > Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! So yes your > hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. No analog support, = but > meh, who needs that anyway. Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). > So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. Comcast is required by law > to send them down the cable unencrypted. Anything you get over the air, = you > get through Comcast. It's actually a fairly good quality signal, though = it > is more compressed than over the air. I get about 6 HD channels, several > are 720i and several are actually 1080i. I don't thing comcast sends > anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. Anyway, > MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the > standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like that, > with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. You > just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it should > pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. I > actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels are WF= LI, > WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. > > I would definitely recommend moving to linux if you have the time for the= initial setup. It's well worth it. What Distro are you planning on using= ? Mythbuntu seems to work pretty well from what I've heard, pretty plug an= d play, though you may have trouble since your card's driver is so new. An= yway let me know if you have any specific > problems. I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card setups. > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. >> Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. >> I have this card in my media center PC >> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html >> It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. >> >> But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD channel= s. >> They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. >> >> Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from >> comcast? >> any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an antenna >> to it? >> will i have to buy another card or something? >> >> hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as >> well. >> (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) >> >> just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box anymo= re >> what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. >> i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain >> time, >> but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. >> >> and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the >> instant >> view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy >> selection. >> my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant vi= ew >> and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i want= ed >> to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more available. >> >> eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im >> not sure >> how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my >> hardware is >> compatible. >> >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/e90983c5/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 23:22:34 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:22:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone is interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) AW -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/b017de41/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 3 23:24:46 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:24:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f62da070906030836o675c9f15m18aec88d33cadbcd@mail.gmail.com> <48231.66.129.4.209.1244045297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906030915k56d6f7b5mca29d894a4e80324@mail.gmail.com> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A273E7E.7080702@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Lyke wrote: > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:33:07 -0400 > Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: >> *sigh* My little OS/2 box that could sure ran well on 64MB :) > > [/me shakes palsied hand holding on to cane] "Back when I was a boy..." > > More seriously, the chip I'm using for the real-time stuff on the device > I'm currently working on will have 64MB of RAM hanging off it. This is > the portion of the device that's so real-time that it mostly won't be > running interrupts because I've got a 2us pulse that needs to be > very accurate; if I go long on it I let the smoke out of downstream > hardware. > > There'll be another chip with similar amounts of RAM running Linux for > UI and such. > > Can't wait 'til I can tell the war stories about this one. I > think needing to clean the office with denatured alcohol this morning > because of hardware problems last night is going to be one for the > books. > > Dan LOL. I was afraid I might wake up some of the wizards on that one. I don't get quite as low level as you, but I do keep playing with these little VIA SBC setups I have, and keep looking at how much you can do w/o a fan these days. I want more hardware than the typical home router, but I'm not sure exactly how much more. But I truly don't need the server class iron I'm currently running, other than keeping hardware specific skills working hard, like hacking net-snmpd-sensors templates to work with hp-snmp-agents :) - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkonPn0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SxvACcDNDs+hUWhS44R37e7XWSVXVb Y68Anj/BlLlpY0NLEWeTuiX+yc+XrBR7 =jZEb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 23:25:34 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:25:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906032025j441d5309na1ad0cdd71740425@mail.gmail.com> On a similar note, you have any suggestions for someone looking to get into some microcontroller/hardware hacking? I am getting frustrated my Arduino has not showed up yet, otherwise I would have more specific questions. AW On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:33:07 -0400 > Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > > *sigh* My little OS/2 box that could sure ran well on 64MB :) > > [/me shakes palsied hand holding on to cane] "Back when I was a boy..." > > More seriously, the chip I'm using for the real-time stuff on the device > I'm currently working on will have 64MB of RAM hanging off it. This is > the portion of the device that's so real-time that it mostly won't be > running interrupts because I've got a 2us pulse that needs to be > very accurate; if I go long on it I let the smoke out of downstream > hardware. > > There'll be another chip with similar amounts of RAM running Linux for > UI and such. > > Can't wait 'til I can tell the war stories about this one. I > think needing to clean the office with denatured alcohol this morning > because of hardware problems last night is going to be one for the > books. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/4bf4fd24/a= ttachment.htm From sparky13 at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 23:59:44 2009 From: sparky13 at gmail.com (Sparky) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:59:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <133c60cf0906032059o64150303o11c9f52c64857649@mail.gmail.com> Sounds fun, I am in. On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone is > interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed > beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) > > AW > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090603/5e6a3cf7/a= ttachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Thu Jun 4 00:01:52 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Thu Jun 4 00:01:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: Slow P4 In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906032025j441d5309na1ad0cdd71740425@mail.gmail.com> References: <48987.66.129.4.209.1244039999.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <48525.66.129.4.209.1244046660.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031027q7d53de17k50c1ee8eb680e842@mail.gmail.com> <40298.66.129.4.209.1244053653.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <18bb6ba00906031135y3529c166i4b52db4f21d3c92f@mail.gmail.com> <59210.66.129.4.209.1244055355.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A26C8BE.6080803@brockmans.com> <4A272316.4050207@flushy.net> <4A272453.6040104@brockmans.com> <20090603194720.1aa7efce@danhplaptop> <9c0f5dc00906032025j441d5309na1ad0cdd71740425@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090603210152.12cb4f4a@danhplaptop> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 23:25:34 -0400 Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > On a similar note, you have any suggestions for someone looking to > get into some microcontroller/hardware hacking? I am getting > frustrated my Arduino has not showed up yet, otherwise I would have > more specific questions. Arduino looks like it rocks. My first one is on order. It's based on the Atmel AVR chips, which I've worked with and like. But the whole "Shields" and development environment looks like it makes everything that much easier. So, yeah, I've got an Arduino on order despite having an STK-500 and STK-600 and several ARM dev boards on my system that I use regularly. Dan From chevyiinova at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 4 00:02:27 2009 From: chevyiinova at bellsouth.net (Ed King) Date: Thu Jun 4 00:02:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell or more hardware... ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone is interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) AW -- Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." 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Who was it? <quote who="flushy"> > Dave Brockman wrote: >> I cringe on XP SP2/SP3 systems running on 512 MB RAM... I'd be running >> W2K if I had to run Windows and only had 256 MB. And no processor likes >> to have to wait on disk i/o to fetch instructions :) > > haha. When I met my girlfriend, she had a gateway. One day after we've > been going out for awhile, she asked me to look at her PC, because it > was slow. I nearly fell out of the chair when I saw how much memory she > had. > > 64 Megs. > > They sold it to her that way. > > Preinstalled with Windows XP. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 4 09:18:46 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:18:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4526.66.129.4.209.1244121526.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I voluteering this weekend. :( But I need to get that box of cards from you. <quote who="Aaron welch"> > Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone is > interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed > beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) > > AW > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 4 09:29:14 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 4 09:29:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Ubuntu: Gray screens and slow.. (futex_wait) In-Reply-To: <a171680b0906031908w52b68c18l25ba6e58cabffea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <a171680b0906031908w52b68c18l25ba6e58cabffea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333.66.129.4.209.1244122154.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> 9.04 right? I seen something like this with other apps. <quote who="Michael \"Grant\" Hodges"> > I have recently been having an issue with my FireFox going gray (shadowed) > and it stops responding. I noticed when this happens that it's state is > "futex-wait". i also noticed that pulseaudio was also "futex_wait". It > appears the issue was that pulseaudio was not setup properly (by default) > and more than to things were trying to use the same audio device (alsa & > pulseaudio). the firefox issue was secondary, it seems FireFox was trying > to make a sound happen, and since pulseaudio was at "futex_wait" it was as > well, until the sending of sound ended or it gave up. (i know that the > terms > i used aren't exact, but they will be more understandable than the > technical > ones) > > Here is a link as to how i resolved the issue: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997506 > > I hope no one else has this issue but i am providing it in case you do. > > Grant > > > -- > "Anyone willing to give up liberty in exchange for security deserves > neither." - Benjamin Franklin > > "Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism." - Mayor Rocky Anderson, > Salt > Lake City > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From n2nightfall at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 10:00:11 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Thu Jun 4 10:00:08 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance around 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is other parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know what you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it will give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location information below. Aaron 4628 Jersey Pike Chattanooga, TN 37416 (423)505-9999 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: > Why not, where at & when? > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net>wrote: > >> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more >> cowbell or more hardware... >> >> >> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- >> >> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone is >> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed >> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) >> >> AW >> -- >> Aaron Welch >> 423-505-9999 >> n2nightfall@gmail.com >> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/79c85c8b/a= ttachment.htm From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Thu Jun 4 11:02:14 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Thu Jun 4 11:02:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Ubuntu: Gray screens and slow.. 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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> wrote: > Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! ?So yes your > hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. ?No analog support, but > meh, who needs that anyway. ?Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). > So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. ?Comcast is required by law to > send them down the cable unencrypted. ?Anything you get over the air, you > get through Comcast. ?It's actually a fairly good quality signal, though it > is more compressed than over the air. ?I get about 6 HD channels, several > are 720i and several are actually 1080i. ?I don't thing comcast sends > anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. ?Anyway, > MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the > standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like that, > with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. ?You > just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it should > pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. ?I > actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels are WFLI, > WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. > I?would?definitely?recommend?moving?to?linux?if?you?have?the?time?for?the?initial?setup.??It's?well?worth?it.??What?Distro?are?you?planning?on?using???Mythbuntu?seems?to?work?pretty?well?from?what?I've?heard,?pretty?plug?and?play,?though?you?may?have?trouble?since?your?card's?driver?is?so?new.??Anyway?let?me?know?if?you?have?any?specific > problems. ?I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card setups. > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. >> Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. >> I have this card in my media center PC >> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html >> It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. >> >> But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD channels. >> They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. >> >> Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from >> comcast? >> any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an antenna >> to it? >> will i have to buy another card or something? >> >> hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as >> well. >> (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) >> >> just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box anymore >> what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. >> i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain >> time, >> but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. >> >> and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the >> instant >> view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy >> selection. >> my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant view >> and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i wanted >> to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more available. >> >> eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im >> not sure >> how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my >> hardware is >> compatible. >> >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Thu Jun 4 12:32:22 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Thu Jun 4 12:32:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906040918s4f81ec73pd23103ba494003f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906040918s4f81ec73pd23103ba494003f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906040932s37f9376fp7c0bad0e34c8d6b4@mail.gmail.com> I thought so too, but they aren't! I was running my analog tuner to get the cable for nearly a year before they started sending it in the clear. Let me tell you I was excited when I scanned again, and all these other channels started popping up! I think it might be a lower quality signal than what the set-top boxes get, but I haven't really noticed poor quality or anything. It wouldn't hurt to scan anyway even though you only pay for the 13 channels, you might actually get the 100 channels ;) And yes, comcast "rebroadcasts" the HD channels through their cable connection. It's actually required by law. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > So the cable coming from the poll without the set top box is the > "antenna" i need to get the HD > channels? basic cable is only 13 channels. so you must have a higher > plan than i have. > but how do you get up to 105 without the set top box? i thought they > were encrypted and needed > the box to decode them? > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> > wrote: > > Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! So yes yo= ur > > hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. No analog support, > but > > meh, who needs that anyway. Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). > > So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. Comcast is required by l= aw > to > > send them down the cable unencrypted. Anything you get over the air, y= ou > > get through Comcast. It's actually a fairly good quality signal, though > it > > is more compressed than over the air. I get about 6 HD channels, sever= al > > are 720i and several are actually 1080i. I don't thing comcast sends > > anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. Anyway, > > MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the > > standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like that, > > with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. You > > just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it > should > > pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. I > > actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels are > WFLI, > > WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. > > > I would definitely recommend moving to linux if you have the time for the= initial setup. It's well worth it. What Distro are you planning on using= ? Mythbuntu seems to work pretty well from what I've heard, pretty plug an= d play, though you may have trouble since your card's driver is so new. An= yway let me know if you have any specific > > problems. I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card setups. > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> > >> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. > >> Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. > >> I have this card in my media center PC > >> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html > >> It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. > >> > >> But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD > channels. > >> They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. > >> > >> Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from > >> comcast? > >> any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an > antenna > >> to it? > >> will i have to buy another card or something? > >> > >> hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as > >> well. > >> (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) > >> > >> just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box > anymore > >> what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. > >> i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain > >> time, > >> but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. > >> > >> and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the > >> instant > >> view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy > >> selection. > >> my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant > view > >> and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i > wanted > >> to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more > available. > >> > >> eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im > >> not sure > >> how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my > >> hardware is > >> compatible. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -------------- > >> Nick Smith > >> nick at nicksmith dot us > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ryan Harrell > > 423-313-6405 > > www.ryanfreelance.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/63a3e8ae/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Thu Jun 4 13:51:11 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 13:51:37 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906040932s37f9376fp7c0bad0e34c8d6b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906040918s4f81ec73pd23103ba494003f1@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906040932s37f9376fp7c0bad0e34c8d6b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906041051x31f2a816l659907a88972721@mail.gmail.com> im assuming the filter they installed on the line will block the channels, but it cant hurt to try. ill give it a shot when i get home. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> wrote: > I thought so too, but they aren't! I was running my analog tuner to get the > cable for nearly a year before they started sending it in the clear. Let me > tell you I was excited when I scanned again, and all these other channels > started popping up! I think it might be a lower quality signal than what the > set-top boxes get, but I haven't really noticed poor quality or anything. > It wouldn't hurt to scan anyway even though you only pay for the 13 > channels, you might actually get the 100 channels ;) > And yes, comcast "rebroadcasts" the HD channels through their cable > connection. It's actually required by law. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >> So the cable coming from the poll without the set top box is the >> "antenna" i need to get the HD >> channels? basic cable is only 13 channels. so you must have a higher >> plan than i have. >> but how do you get up to 105 without the set top box? i thought they >> were encrypted and needed >> the box to decode them? >> >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> >> wrote: >> > Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! ?So yes >> > your >> > hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. ?No analog support, >> > but >> > meh, who needs that anyway. ?Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). >> > So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. ?Comcast is required by >> > law to >> > send them down the cable unencrypted. ?Anything you get over the air, >> > you >> > get through Comcast. ?It's actually a fairly good quality signal, though >> > it >> > is more compressed than over the air. ?I get about 6 HD channels, >> > several >> > are 720i and several are actually 1080i. ?I don't thing comcast sends >> > anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. ?Anyway, >> > MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the >> > standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like that, >> > with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. ?You >> > just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it >> > should >> > pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. ?I >> > actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels are >> > WFLI, >> > WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. >> > >> > I?would?definitely?recommend?moving?to?linux?if?you?have?the?time?for?the?initial?setup.??It's?well?worth?it.??What?Distro?are?you?planning?on?using???Mythbuntu?seems?to?work?pretty?well?from?what?I've?heard,?pretty?plug?and?play,?though?you?may?have?trouble?since?your?card's?driver?is?so?new.??Anyway?let?me?know?if?you?have?any?specific >> > problems. ?I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card setups. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >> >> >> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensive. >> >> Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. >> >> I have this card in my media center PC >> >> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html >> >> It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not though. >> >> >> >> But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD >> >> channels. >> >> They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. >> >> >> >> Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from >> >> comcast? >> >> any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an >> >> antenna >> >> to it? >> >> will i have to buy another card or something? >> >> >> >> hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff as >> >> well. >> >> (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) >> >> >> >> just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box >> >> anymore >> >> what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. >> >> i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certain >> >> time, >> >> but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its aired. >> >> >> >> and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the >> >> instant >> >> view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy >> >> selection. >> >> my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on instant >> >> view >> >> and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i >> >> wanted >> >> to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more >> >> available. >> >> >> >> eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but im >> >> not sure >> >> how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my >> >> hardware is >> >> compatible. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------- >> >> Nick Smith >> >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ryan Harrell >> > 423-313-6405 >> > www.ryanfreelance.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Thu Jun 4 15:10:37 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:11:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: socket 754 Message-ID: <b131ca890906041210o264a7d54ue13a39973c76533c@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have an athlon 64 socket 754 cpu they can part with? Dug up a board but no cpu. thanks. -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Thu Jun 4 15:11:18 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:11:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the > afternoon.? I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance around > 4PM.? I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is other > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know what > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it will > give people a chance to see what is going to be here.? Location information > below. > > Aaron > 4628 Jersey Pike > Chattanooga, TN 37416 > (423)505-9999 > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Why not, where at & when? >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> let's do it... ? I've got a fever and the only prescription is more >>> cowbell or more hardware... >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- >>> >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? ?I am more than willing to host if anyone is >>> interested. ?I might even be willing to part with some of my home brewed >>> beer if necessary. ?I am thinking Saturday would be good. ?:+) >>> >>> AW >>> -- >>> Aaron Welch >>> 423-505-9999 >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Thu Jun 4 15:29:21 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:29:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: over the air HD In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906041051x31f2a816l659907a88972721@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906031820p6f84d4f2x9f623ee720f4199c@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906031925s38d2b9fdqa349ae501ea9271e@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906040918s4f81ec73pd23103ba494003f1@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906040932s37f9376fp7c0bad0e34c8d6b4@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041051x31f2a816l659907a88972721@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906041229t1d550b66ye9aa9f488be122d7@mail.gmail.com> Well since it's digital, I'm not sure the filter applies, also what you can do is call them and tell them that your internet is really slowing down, and they'll come out and remove the filter and not charge you :D The filter actually really does affect your internet speed. So if all else fails try that ;) On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > im assuming the filter they installed on the line will block the > channels, but it cant hurt to try. > ill give it a shot when i get home. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> > wrote: > > I thought so too, but they aren't! I was running my analog tuner to get > the > > cable for nearly a year before they started sending it in the clear. Let > me > > tell you I was excited when I scanned again, and all these other channe= ls > > started popping up! I think it might be a lower quality signal than what > the > > set-top boxes get, but I haven't really noticed poor quality or anythin= g. > > It wouldn't hurt to scan anyway even though you only pay for the 13 > > channels, you might actually get the 100 channels ;) > > And yes, comcast "rebroadcasts" the HD channels through their cable > > connection. It's actually required by law. > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> > >> So the cable coming from the poll without the set top box is the > >> "antenna" i need to get the HD > >> channels? basic cable is only 13 channels. so you must have a higher > >> plan than i have. > >> but how do you get up to 105 without the set top box? i thought they > >> were encrypted and needed > >> the box to decode them? > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Looks like that card is now supported via linux dvb drivers! So yes > >> > your > >> > hardware is compatible with MythTV in QAM/ATSC only. No analog > support, > >> > but > >> > meh, who needs that anyway. Same with my Hauppauge card (HVR-1250). > >> > So here's the scoop on the HD local channels. Comcast is required by > >> > law to > >> > send them down the cable unencrypted. Anything you get over the air, > >> > you > >> > get through Comcast. It's actually a fairly good quality signal, > though > >> > it > >> > is more compressed than over the air. I get about 6 HD channels, > >> > several > >> > are 720i and several are actually 1080i. I don't thing comcast sends > >> > anything in progressive though, but that's not that big a deal. > Anyway, > >> > MythTV should be able to scan and receive all 104 or however many the > >> > standard package is, I get channel 2 through 105 or something like > that, > >> > with a couple of the OTA broadcast HD channels in the higher range. > You > >> > just need to run the channel scanner in MythTV in ATSC mode, and it > >> > should > >> > pick up every channel from Comcast AND the OTA HD channels as well. = I > >> > actually don't use my set-top box at all any more. The HD channels a= re > >> > WFLI, > >> > WDSI, WDEF, WRCB, WTVC, WTCI. > >> > > >> > > I would definitely recommend moving to linux if you have the time for the= initial setup. It's well worth it. What Distro are you planning on using= ? Mythbuntu seems to work pretty well from what I've heard, pretty plug an= d play, though you may have trouble since your card's driver is so new. An= yway let me know if you have any specific > >> > problems. I've spent a lot of time in MythTV and the tuner card > setups. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I recently dropped down my cable to basic, was getting too expensiv= e. > >> >> Ive heard that the local channels are broadcast in HD. > >> >> I have this card in my media center PC > >> >> http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr2250.html > >> >> It has a ton of features, not sure if its linux friendly or not > though. > >> >> > >> >> But i cant seem to figure out if its capable of getting these HD > >> >> channels. > >> >> They are just blank, and i dont see a place to put an antenna. > >> >> > >> >> Is there a way to get these HD channels without a set top box from > >> >> comcast? > >> >> any way to find out if my card will do it and if so how to get an > >> >> antenna > >> >> to it? > >> >> will i have to buy another card or something? > >> >> > >> >> hulu is pretty rockin, been watching that alot. it has some HD stuff > as > >> >> well. > >> >> (the dave matthews concert from fuse tv was awesome!) > >> >> > >> >> just wondering now that i only have basic cable and no set top box > >> >> anymore > >> >> what are my options for tv? ive got hulu and netflix instant watch. > >> >> i use to have all my shows i watched scheduled to record at a certa= in > >> >> time, > >> >> but hulu solves all that, i can just watch it the day after its > aired. > >> >> > >> >> and on a side note, netflix needs to get their act together with the > >> >> instant > >> >> view option, its been out for ages now and they still have a crappy > >> >> selection. > >> >> my copy of "alien" got messed up and went to see if it was on insta= nt > >> >> view > >> >> and of course it wasnt. which has happened alot with other movies i > >> >> wanted > >> >> to watch. i wish they would get on the ball and get a lot more > >> >> available. > >> >> > >> >> eventually id like to move to a linux solution, probably mythtv, but > im > >> >> not sure > >> >> how do it, it didnt work the last time i tried and i dont know if my > >> >> hardware is > >> >> compatible. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> -------------- > >> >> Nick Smith > >> >> nick at nicksmith dot us > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Chugalug mailing list > >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Ryan Harrell > >> > 423-313-6405 > >> > www.ryanfreelance.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chugalug mailing list > >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -------------- > >> Nick Smith > >> nick at nicksmith dot us > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ryan Harrell > > 423-313-6405 > > www.ryanfreelance.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/00d95a56/a= ttachment.htm From shadowhunter at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 15:46:54 2009 From: shadowhunter at gmail.com (Alex Smith (K4RNT)) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:47:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: socket 754 In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906041210o264a7d54ue13a39973c76533c@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906041210o264a7d54ue13a39973c76533c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a806910906041246s7b95dc0fx6b09698e49d1cb29@mail.gmail.com> I may have a friend that can help you - I passed your email on. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Does anyone have an athlon 64 socket 754 cpu they can part with? > Dug up a board but no cpu. > > thanks. > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA From nick at nicksmith.us Thu Jun 4 15:50:34 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:51:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: socket 754 In-Reply-To: <46a806910906041246s7b95dc0fx6b09698e49d1cb29@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906041210o264a7d54ue13a39973c76533c@mail.gmail.com> <46a806910906041246s7b95dc0fx6b09698e49d1cb29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906041250p7210c4e2g69a48d970b9c9a7e@mail.gmail.com> thanks On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) <shadowhunter@gmail.com> wrote: > I may have a friend that can help you - I passed your email on. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> Does anyone have an athlon 64 socket 754 cpu they can part with? >> Dug up a board but no cpu. >> >> thanks. >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech > censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, > chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron > Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is > trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron > Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" > - Alex Smith (K4RNT) > - Nashville, Tennessee USA > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Thu Jun 4 15:51:57 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 15:52:24 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: HP BL20P G2 blade server Message-ID: <b131ca890906041251l2c47e716pfcf0937d8d680dd@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if this server can be used as a stand alone server without the blade encloser? im looking at one on ebay and it doesnt say. i looked it up on HPs website and it looks like it can go into an encloser but i dont want to use it for that. thanks. -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From n2nightfall at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:21:07 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:21:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: HP BL20P G2 blade server In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906041251l2c47e716pfcf0937d8d680dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906041251l2c47e716pfcf0937d8d680dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906041921p4c95721fl825b520909108f86@mail.gmail.com> Every blade server I have ever seen had to have the chassis for power and network connectivity. AW On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Does anyone know if this server can be used as a stand alone server > without the blade encloser? > > im looking at one on ebay and it doesnt say. i looked it up on HPs > website and it looks like it can > go into an encloser but i dont want to use it for that. > > thanks. > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AW On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the > > afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance > around > > 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is other > > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know wh= at > > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it wi= ll > > give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location > information > > below. > > > > Aaron > > 4628 Jersey Pike > > Chattanooga, TN 37416 > > (423)505-9999 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Why not, where at & when? > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more > >>> cowbell or more hardware... > >>> > >>> > >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- > >>> > >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone = is > >>> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home > brewed > >>> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) > >>> > >>> AW > >>> -- > >>> Aaron Welch > >>> 423-505-9999 > >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com > >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chugalug mailing list > >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Aaron Welch > > 423-505-9999 > > n2nightfall@gmail.com > > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/d65701d8/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 22:33:17 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:33:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906041933h265e6d7bl99dda5fcd75a3dcf@mail.gmail.com> Wish it was next weekend - there is a chance I might be down there then. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > As of right now I have (not a complete list): > > 12 channel audio mixer > HP DL360 G3 > HP DL380 G3 > Lots of -48V stuff with the rectifiers to power them > 2x Cobalt Raq3/4s > Some misc Cisco stuff > Cisco 2948G L3 layer 3 switch > Random Asterisk/Digium cards for PBXs > A few Osprey video capture cards > Different kinds of RAM (PC133, DDR, ECC DDR, ECC DDR2, 72-pin SIMMs, etc) > SGI O2 (might sell, do not know) > Shuttle mini desktop with 2.8Ghz P4, 1GB RAM, 250GB HD, and DVD-RW > TONS of cables of all kinds > Fiber splicing and testing gear > and... that is all I can remember off the top of my head. > > AW > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the >> > afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance >> around >> > 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is oth= er >> > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know >> what >> > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it >> will >> > give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location >> information >> > below. >> > >> > Aaron >> > 4628 Jersey Pike >> > Chattanooga, TN 37416 >> > (423)505-9999 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Why not, where at & when? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more >> >>> cowbell or more hardware... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- >> >>> >> >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone >> is >> >>> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home >> brewed >> >>> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) >> >>> >> >>> AW >> >>> -- >> >>> Aaron Welch >> >>> 423-505-9999 >> >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >> >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chugalug mailing list >> >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chugalug mailing list >> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Aaron Welch >> > 423-505-9999 >> > n2nightfall@gmail.com >> > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/09608c2d/a= ttachment.htm From wes at the-wes.com Thu Jun 4 22:43:05 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Thu Jun 4 22:43:31 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906041943v25ab323ue76c2aef6be40c1d@mail.gmail.com> I learned more about this issue. It would appear that sendmail simply passes along the ORCPT request from the client to the remote MTA. So, sendmail is not actually generating the invalid ORCPT, the client that submitted the mail to sendmail is the one that is wrong. Unfortunately, the client happens to be a java app with a large team of developers and a rigid deployment cycle. I could probably rattle some cages and override it if I have to, but if there is a way to make sendmail ignore this param from the client, I would take that too. Any ideas? thanks, -wes On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, wes <wes@the-wes.com> wrote: > I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. Pleas= e, > hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that is in the futu= re > plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I need to fix this issu= e. > > When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my > installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT command. > Like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; > > when it should look like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822;<1@2.3> > > I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present in the > ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > > Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > > SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > > local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=3DFAILURE ORCPT=3Drfc822; > DATA > remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments > remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > > thanks, > -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090604/a7ed0437/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Fri Jun 5 00:08:30 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Fri Jun 5 00:08:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: sendmail question - sending null ORCPT In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906041943v25ab323ue76c2aef6be40c1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <b399d1c10906031226g2ef91ffbmdb1353bee948095c@mail.gmail.com> <b399d1c10906041943v25ab323ue76c2aef6be40c1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A289A3E.9040205@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can you disable DSN extension per host/domain via Srv_Features and access maps? - -Dave wes wrote: > I learned more about this issue. It would appear that sendmail simply > passes along the ORCPT request from the client to the remote MTA. So, > sendmail is not actually generating the invalid ORCPT, the client that > submitted the mail to sendmail is the one that is wrong. > > Unfortunately, the client happens to be a java app with a large team of > developers and a rigid deployment cycle. I could probably rattle some > cages and override it if I have to, but if there is a way to make > sendmail ignore this param from the client, I would take that too. > > Any ideas? > > thanks, > -wes > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, wes <wes@the-wes.com > <mailto:wes@the-wes.com>> wrote: > > I have encountered an apparent oddity in my Sendmail configuration. > Please, hold off on the "switch to postfix/etc" suggestions - that > is in the future plans, but for today I am stuck with Sendmail and I > need to fix this issue. > > When communicating with a remote MTA, trying to submit new mail, my > installation of Sendmail on openSUSE 10.3 is giving a bogus RCPT > command. Like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; > > when it should look like so: > > RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822;<1@2.3> > > I'm not entirely certain whether the <>s are supposed to be present > in the ORCPT command. In any case, there's nothing there. > > Any idea where I can start to look for why it's blank? > > SMTP transaction snippet (via packet captures): > > local.58189-remote.00025: RCPT To:<1@2.3> NOTIFY=FAILURE ORCPT=rfc822; > DATA > remote.00025- local.58189: 501 5.5.4 Invalid arguments > remote.00025- local.58189: 503 5.5.2 Need rcpt command > > > thanks, > -wes > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoomjoACgkQABP1RO+tr2RaPgCdHix+IpUUmLnP2R0dyMOhtnl8 RF4AoJ3RSD04mlcpAoX3A9xd934IPWZO =BMhI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jjtechno2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 07:14:08 2009 From: jjtechno2 at gmail.com (Jaye Harris) Date: Fri Jun 5 07:16:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Anyone going to clemson Message-ID: <1244200448.3998.5.camel@TheZoo.TheZoo> http://southeastlinuxfest.org/ June 13, 2009 kinda' late but it might be interesting From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 5 11:57:07 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 5 11:57:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Anyone going to clemson In-Reply-To: <1244200448.3998.5.camel@TheZoo.TheZoo> References: <1244200448.3998.5.camel@TheZoo.TheZoo> Message-ID: <17995.66.129.4.209.1244217427.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> might look into that. <quote who="Jaye Harris"> > http://southeastlinuxfest.org/ June 13, 2009 > > kinda' late but it might be interesting > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From meuon at geeklabs.com Fri Jun 5 16:48:52 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:48:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> All of a sudden, I -need- a good desktop replacement laptop (15-17+" bright hi-res crisp screen) that will run Ubuntu (Jaunty) 64 bit very very well and be a development system when I am travelling. I have a netbook for general needs, this is for doing code work (lots of xterm and a web browser windows) on location.. sometimes running a vmWare instance of Windows/server.. I've had good luck with nVidia video.. (I just gave my HP 17" to a sales droid.. w/Ubuntu) Anyone ranting good things about anything? -- From n2nightfall at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 16:59:02 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Fri Jun 5 16:59:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> I like the new Dell Latitudes. AW On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > > All of a sudden, I -need- a good desktop replacement laptop (15-17+" brig= ht > hi-res crisp screen) that will run Ubuntu (Jaunty) 64 bit very very well > and be a development system when I am travelling. I have a netbook for > general needs, this is for doing code work (lots of xterm and a web brows= er > windows) on location.. sometimes running a vmWare instance > of Windows/server.. I've had good luck with nVidia video.. > > (I just gave my HP 17" to a sales droid.. w/Ubuntu) > > Anyone ranting good things about anything? > > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/70c08ddb/a= ttachment.htm From ebwolf at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 17:02:58 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:02:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> Seeing how Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu preconfigured, they seem to be a good bet. Of course, they don't sell anything that big with Ubuntu. They have a XPS laptop with nVidia video and 8GB of RAM for $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a Ubuntu 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one that picks up all the hardware properly. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the new Dell Latitudes. > AW > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > >> >> All of a sudden, I -need- a good desktop replacement laptop (15-17+" >> bright hi-res crisp screen) that will run Ubuntu (Jaunty) 64 bit very ve= ry >> well >> and be a development system when I am travelling. I have a netbook for >> general needs, this is for doing code work (lots of xterm and a web >> browser windows) on location.. sometimes running a vmWare instance >> of Windows/server.. I've had good luck with nVidia video.. >> >> (I just gave my HP 17" to a sales droid.. w/Ubuntu) >> >> Anyone ranting good things about anything? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/a4aa41c8/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Fri Jun 5 17:17:12 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:17:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051704200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Aaron welch wrote: > I like the new Dell Latitudes. They get up to 15.4" screens.. I recently installed Ubuntu on a 17" Dell Studio, but it's a bit big for road-tripping. Not teh screen size, but that's a thick heavy beast Asus and MSI both have some I am considering.. But I have to get something this weekend or early next week. From danlyke at flutterby.com Fri Jun 5 17:20:16 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:20:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:58 -0600 Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a Ubuntu > 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one > that picks up all the hardware properly. It should be noted that we've bought our last few computers distinctly *not* at Best Buy because their policies towards such things have been less permissive than Office Depot and such. But, yes, I strongly support this policy, and if you can find a Best Buy salesperson with clue they generally do a selection. Dan From ebwolf at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 17:26:09 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Fri Jun 5 17:26:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> Good note. Actually, I'm not sure I've ever bought anything at Best Buy. But I've bought a pile of stuff from Office Depot. I think Office Depot tends to have better pricing too. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:58 -0600 > Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > > $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a Ubuntu > > 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one > > that picks up all the hardware properly. > > It should be noted that we've bought our last few computers distinctly > *not* at Best Buy because their policies towards such things have been > less permissive than Office Depot and such. > > But, yes, I strongly support this policy, and if you can find a Best > Buy salesperson with clue they generally do a selection. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/d7107a47/a= ttachment.htm From phil.sieg at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:02:29 2009 From: phil.sieg at gmail.com (Phil Sieg) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:03:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> People buy computers at retail stores? Hmmmm... Who would have thunk it? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > Good note. Actually, I'm not sure I've ever bought anything at Best > Buy. But I've bought a pile of stuff from Office Depot. I think > Office Depot tends to have better pricing too. > > -Eric > > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> > wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:58 -0600 > Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > > $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a > Ubuntu > > 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one > > that picks up all the hardware properly. > > It should be noted that we've bought our last few computers distinctly > *not* at Best Buy because their policies towards such things have been > less permissive than Office Depot and such. > > But, yes, I strongly support this policy, and if you can find a Best > Buy salesperson with clue they generally do a selection. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/63b6b3cb/attachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Fri Jun 5 18:05:20 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:05:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906051505y32270586m3b98dd2cf5394ae4@mail.gmail.com> I know I'm going to be the odd man out on this, but you really should check out the 17" Macbook Pros. The run very fast and they have the best screen of any laptop on the market. They are however a bit pricey :| They are wicked fast though. And the screens.... drool! The definitely wouldn't have trouble with Ubuntu. On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > Good note. Actually, I'm not sure I've ever bought anything at Best Buy. > But I've bought a pile of stuff from Office Depot. I think Office Depot > tends to have better pricing too. > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:58 -0600 >> Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >> > $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a Ubuntu >> > 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one >> > that picks up all the hardware properly. >> >> It should be noted that we've bought our last few computers distinctly >> *not* at Best Buy because their policies towards such things have been >> less permissive than Office Depot and such. >> >> But, yes, I strongly support this policy, and if you can find a Best >> Buy salesperson with clue they generally do a selection. >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/2682ce6b/a= ttachment.htm From ebwolf at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 18:18:02 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Fri Jun 5 18:18:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> Oddly, laptops changed the computer market. Desktops were largely bought online and through mail order. People like to actually feel the keyboard and see the screen on a laptop. So brick & mortar shops have been doing better as more people have been buying laptops than desktops. It also doesn't hurt that you can walk into Office Depot and find prices as good, if not better, than online. You're usually limited in customization choices - but for some reason - laptops buyers are always as concerned. For instance, the current Office Depot flyer for Chattanooga has a Toshiba 17" laptop with a dual-core CPU, 3GB RAM, 250GB HD for $529 (instant rebate - no mail-ins). The same laptop is $599 at NewEgg. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Phil Sieg <phil.sieg@gmail.com> wrote: > People buy computers at retail stores? Hmmmm... Who would have thunk it? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > > Good note. Actually, I'm not sure I've ever bought anything at Best Buy. > But I've bought a pile of stuff from Office Depot. I think Office Depot > tends to have better pricing too. > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Dan Lyke < <danlyke@flutterby.com> > danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:02:58 -0600 >> Eric Wolf < <ebwolf@gmail.com>ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: >> > $2100. Of course, you might want to do what Dan did and take a Ubuntu >> > 64 Live CD down to Best Buy and stick it in boxes until you find one >> > that picks up all the hardware properly. >> >> It should be noted that we've bought our last few computers distinctly >> *not* at Best Buy because their policies towards such things have been >> less permissive than Office Depot and such. >> >> But, yes, I strongly support this policy, and if you can find a Best >> Buy salesperson with clue they generally do a selection. >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> <Chugalug@chugalug.org>Chugalug@chugalug.org >> <http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/e06f9e41/a= ttachment.htm From cynicalgeek at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 21:40:30 2009 From: cynicalgeek at gmail.com (Cynical Geek) Date: Fri Jun 5 21:41:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <e40915b20906051840s62081218led22d2f130176345@mail.gmail.com> I can't imagine that a $529 laptop would have much CPU power though if it has a 17" LCD and 3GB RAM with a 250GB hard drive. Probably a underpowered processor to go with it. I wouldn't think I would replace my desktop with a inexpensive laptop. > For instance, the current Office Depot flyer for Chattanooga has a Toshiba > 17" laptop with a dual-core CPU, 3GB RAM, 250GB HD for $529 (instant reba= te > - no mail-ins). The same laptop is $599 at NewEgg. > > -Eric > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/07f04f95/a= ttachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Fri Jun 5 22:19:24 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Fri Jun 5 22:19:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051704200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051704200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <200906052219.24862.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Friday 05 June 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Aaron welch wrote: > > I like the new Dell Latitudes. > > They get up to 15.4" screens.. > > I recently installed Ubuntu on a 17" Dell Studio, > but it's a bit big for road-tripping. > Not teh screen size, but that's a thick heavy beast > > Asus and MSI both have some I am considering.. > But I have to get something this weekend or early next week. > We have a 17" XPS laptop that we got for our carpet designer a year or so ago. However, it's monstrously heavy, probably 10 pounds or more. That being said, it's also pretty powerful. We got it because the carpet designer wanted a "desktop replacement" and needed the graphics power, so we got an XPS. That being said, as I mentioned, it's HEAVY. You might also try something like an Alienware, but they're probably even more expensive. From lists at noctum.net Fri Jun 5 23:28:45 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Fri Jun 5 23:29:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <200906052219.24862.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051704200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906052219.24862.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <F41BD11B-9F68-44C5-AF88-663388E71D3F@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > We have a 17" XPS laptop that we got for our carpet designer a year > or so > ago. However, it's monstrously heavy, probably 10 pounds or more. That > being said, it's also pretty powerful. We got it because the carpet > designer wanted a "desktop replacement" and needed the graphics > power, so > we got an XPS. That being said, as I mentioned, it's HEAVY. You > might also > try something like an Alienware, but they're probably even more > expensive. Our programmer got one of those (the XPS). He had it for about 2 weeks before he traded it to our Director of Support for his 15.4" Latitude. Couldn't stand lugging the thing around. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkop4nEACgkQXzanDlV0VY6OuACgsQiclhZnHZjsP6EL11k2rgLL 3cUAn3kBf/q1fVkXYw/nk+aTl6rcrfA4 =wKXB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 23:33:36 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Fri Jun 5 23:33:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <F41BD11B-9F68-44C5-AF88-663388E71D3F@noctum.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051704200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906052219.24862.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <F41BD11B-9F68-44C5-AF88-663388E71D3F@noctum.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906052033r6a929b2cia20168faefdabd16@mail.gmail.com> IBM Thinkpad T41 :) -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090605/4955d7f3/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 01:42:03 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Sat Jun 6 01:42:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906041933h265e6d7bl99dda5fcd75a3dcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906041933h265e6d7bl99dda5fcd75a3dcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906052242g488cbd46i2f4d239e14267497@mail.gmail.com> So that being stated how many people will maybe show? I would like to make sure I have everything that people need to display their stuff. AW On 6/4/09, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wish it was next weekend - there is a chance I might be down there then. > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As of right now I have (not a complete list): >> >> 12 channel audio mixer >> HP DL360 G3 >> HP DL380 G3 >> Lots of -48V stuff with the rectifiers to power them >> 2x Cobalt Raq3/4s >> Some misc Cisco stuff >> Cisco 2948G L3 layer 3 switch >> Random Asterisk/Digium cards for PBXs >> A few Osprey video capture cards >> Different kinds of RAM (PC133, DDR, ECC DDR, ECC DDR2, 72-pin SIMMs, etc) >> SGI O2 (might sell, do not know) >> Shuttle mini desktop with 2.8Ghz P4, 1GB RAM, 250GB HD, and DVD-RW >> TONS of cables of all kinds >> Fiber splicing and testing gear >> and... that is all I can remember off the top of my head. >> >> AW >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >>> Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the >>> > afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance >>> around >>> > 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is >>> other >>> > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know >>> what >>> > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it >>> will >>> > give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location >>> information >>> > below. >>> > >>> > Aaron >>> > 4628 Jersey Pike >>> > Chattanooga, TN 37416 >>> > (423)505-9999 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Why not, where at & when? >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more >>> >>> cowbell or more hardware... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyone >>> is >>> >>> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home >>> brewed >>> >>> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) >>> >>> >>> >>> AW >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Aaron Welch >>> >>> 423-505-9999 >>> >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>> >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Chugalug mailing list >>> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Aaron Welch >>> > 423-505-9999 >>> > n2nightfall@gmail.com >>> > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chugalug mailing list >>> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -------------- >>> Nick Smith >>> nick at nicksmith dot us >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Aaron Welch >> 423-505-9999 >> n2nightfall@gmail.com >> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/976d9bea/a= ttachment.htm From sparky13 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 02:16:34 2009 From: sparky13 at gmail.com (Sparky) Date: Sat Jun 6 02:16:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906052242g488cbd46i2f4d239e14267497@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906041933h265e6d7bl99dda5fcd75a3dcf@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906052242g488cbd46i2f4d239e14267497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <133c60cf0906052316r2d10e1c7i479f5096b7bae122@mail.gmail.com> I will be there. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > So that being stated how many people will maybe show? I would like to ma= ke > sure I have everything that people need to display their stuff. > > AW > > > > > On 6/4/09, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Wish it was next weekend - there is a chance I might be down there then. >> >> - Chad Smith >> http://www.chadwsmith.com/ >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> As of right now I have (not a complete list): >>> >>> 12 channel audio mixer >>> HP DL360 G3 >>> HP DL380 G3 >>> Lots of -48V stuff with the rectifiers to power them >>> 2x Cobalt Raq3/4s >>> Some misc Cisco stuff >>> Cisco 2948G L3 layer 3 switch >>> Random Asterisk/Digium cards for PBXs >>> A few Osprey video capture cards >>> Different kinds of RAM (PC133, DDR, ECC DDR, ECC DDR2, 72-pin SIMMs, et= c) >>> SGI O2 (might sell, do not know) >>> Shuttle mini desktop with 2.8Ghz P4, 1GB RAM, 250GB HD, and DVD-RW >>> TONS of cables of all kinds >>> Fiber splicing and testing gear >>> and... that is all I can remember off the top of my head. >>> >>> AW >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the >>>> > afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance >>>> around >>>> > 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is >>>> other >>>> > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know >>>> what >>>> > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it >>>> will >>>> > give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location >>>> information >>>> > below. >>>> > >>>> > Aaron >>>> > 4628 Jersey Pike >>>> > Chattanooga, TN 37416 >>>> > (423)505-9999 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Why not, where at & when? >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is more >>>> >>> cowbell or more hardware... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: --- >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if anyo= ne >>>> is >>>> >>> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home >>>> brewed >>>> >>> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> AW >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Aaron Welch >>>> >>> 423-505-9999 >>>> >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>>> >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Chugalug mailing list >>>> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Aaron Welch >>>> > 423-505-9999 >>>> > n2nightfall@gmail.com >>>> > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Chugalug mailing list >>>> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------- >>>> Nick Smith >>>> nick at nicksmith dot us >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Aaron Welch >>> 423-505-9999 >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/59855a1b/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Jun 6 10:55:12 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sat Jun 6 10:55:15 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [ale] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <20090605174011.1c17f468@revelstone.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <20090605174011.1c17f468@revelstone.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061031390.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> > I'm also a developer (and photographer), so screen size with one of the > biggest factors for me. I ended up with the ASUS G2, a 'gaming' latop. NewEgg > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220511 Thanks I was looking hard at that. It looks like a good semi-portable development system. As for suspend/sleep.. I seem to always "shutdown" anyway, eSata has been awesome.. I've been buying the Seagate eSata externals and using them for system backups, even over ethernet to the servers via a laptop. As I get older, screen size, sharpness and brightness seems to be a major factor, glad you likes this thing. From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Jun 6 11:34:40 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sat Jun 6 11:34:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061058110.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> > For instance, the current Office Depot flyer for Chattanooga has a Toshiba > 17" laptop with a dual-core CPU, 3GB RAM, 250GB HD for $529 (instant rebate > - no mail-ins). The same laptop is $599 at NewEgg. I've learned the hard way, gotta make sure to compare things like WiFi cards and such in such comparisons, BestBuy and WalMart seem to get "special versions" of such things that are just a little cheaper. I'm going to go take another look at the Dell Studio 17.. it's a bit big, and I want to see if I want to lug it around a bit. I have a netbook for real portable stuff, but I need a portable development system for spending a few days/weeks elsewhere. eSata is useful... The MacBook Pro 17".. Hmm.. with the Mate finish screen that might be the ticket.. even at $3k. That is a NICE screen and keyboard. I'll go check out the stores this afternoon and see what I see that compares to my newegg printouts.. The Asus 17" Quad Core w/6gb ram is droolable as wel. Thanks for the input. --Mike-- From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 11:52:11 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 6 11:52:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061058110.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906051359j4d1dc3d0leba5057d410304e6@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051402y6cb3e4fcy4f2efe928bea4be9@mail.gmail.com> <20090605142016.6676d85c@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906051426v3a82d609r3cb027dda730b39f@mail.gmail.com> <FA5981EE-14C4-4156-B884-FC09538F3493@gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906051518k4f4d058cwa216d47e0453c9df@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061058110.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906060852q22bf42f1q39edfc4c180cde6b@mail.gmail.com> I really like My HP Touchsmart TX2 AMD Turion64 X2 2.1Ghz 4GB DDR2 320GB Sata HDD ATI Radeon 3200HD PCI-e 802.11a/b/g/draft n Gigabit Ethernet Dual Touch screen On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > For instance, the current Office Depot flyer for Chattanooga has a Toshiba >> 17" laptop with a dual-core CPU, 3GB RAM, 250GB HD for $529 (instant >> rebate >> - no mail-ins). The same laptop is $599 at NewEgg. >> > > I've learned the hard way, gotta make sure to compare things like WiFi > cards and such in such comparisons, BestBuy and WalMart seem to get "spec= ial > versions" of such things that are just a little cheaper. > > I'm going to go take another look at the Dell Studio 17.. > it's a bit big, and I want to see if I want to lug it around a bit. > I have a netbook for real portable stuff, but I need a portable developme= nt > system for spending a few days/weeks elsewhere. > eSata is useful... > > The MacBook Pro 17".. Hmm.. with the Mate finish screen that might be the > ticket.. even at $3k. That is a NICE screen and keyboard. > > I'll go check out the stores this afternoon and see what I see > that compares to my newegg printouts.. > > The Asus 17" Quad Core w/6gb ram is droolable as wel. > > Thanks for the input. --Mike-- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/022248a7/a= ttachment-0001.htm From leprkhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 12:17:13 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Sat Jun 6 12:17:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <6f62da070906060917x70617654k1db02d7d752c1d1b@mail.gmail.com> eW91IGNvdWxkIHRyeSBhIHN5c3RlbTc2ICggaHR0cDovL3N5c3RlbTc2LmNvbS9pbmRleC5waHA/ Y1BhdGg9MjggKQpwaG9yb25peCBzZWVtcyB0byBsaWtlIGl0ICgKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5waG9yb25p eC5jb20vc2Nhbi5waHA/cGFnZT1hcnRpY2xlJml0ZW09c3lzdGVtNzZfc2VydmFsX3BybyZudW09 MSkKCk9uIEZyaSwgSnVuIDUsIDIwMDkgYXQgMzo0OCBQTSwgTWlrZSBIYXJyaXNvbiA8bWV1b25A Z2Vla2xhYnMuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKCj4KPiBBbGwgb2YgYSBzdWRkZW4sIEkgLW5lZWQtIGEgZ29v ZCBkZXNrdG9wIHJlcGxhY2VtZW50IGxhcHRvcCAoMTUtMTcrIiBicmlnaHQKPiBoaS1yZXMgY3Jp c3Agc2NyZWVuKSB0aGF0IHdpbGwgcnVuIFVidW50dSAoSmF1bnR5KSA2NCBiaXQgdmVyeSB2ZXJ5 IHdlbGwKPiBhbmQgYmUgYSBkZXZlbG9wbWVudCBzeXN0ZW0gd2hlbiBJIGFtIHRyYXZlbGxpbmcu IEkgaGF2ZSBhIG5ldGJvb2sgZm9yCj4gZ2VuZXJhbCBuZWVkcywgdGhpcyBpcyBmb3IgZG9pbmcg Y29kZSB3b3JrIChsb3RzIG9mIHh0ZXJtIGFuZCBhIHdlYiBicm93c2VyCj4gd2luZG93cykgb24g bG9jYXRpb24uLiBzb21ldGltZXMgcnVubmluZyBhIHZtV2FyZSBpbnN0YW5jZQo+IG9mIFdpbmRv d3Mvc2VydmVyLi4gSSd2ZSBoYWQgZ29vZCBsdWNrIHdpdGggblZpZGlhIHZpZGVvLi4KPgo+IChJ IGp1c3QgZ2F2ZSBteSBIUCAxNyIgdG8gYSBzYWxlcyBkcm9pZC4uIHcvVWJ1bnR1KQo+Cj4gQW55 b25lIHJhbnRpbmcgZ29vZCB0aGluZ3MgYWJvdXQgYW55dGhpbmc/Cj4KPgo+Cj4KPgo+IC0tCj4g X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaHVnYWx1 ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBDaHVnYWx1Z0BjaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMu bmV0L2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5l eHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4u ClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMv MjAwOTA2MDYvNTQyZDNlZjkvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 6 12:54:29 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 6 12:54:24 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops Message-ID: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> So what do y'all think of the arm based laptops coming out this year? I hear snapdragon cpu is interesting. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 12:58:00 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 6 12:57:56 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:54 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > > So what do y'all think of the arm based laptops coming out this year? > I hear snapdragon cpu is interesting. > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/b614b306/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Sat Jun 6 13:18:43 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:18:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Kraus wrote: > ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to > x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for those worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy =/f7y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chad78 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 13:25:21 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:25:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, and/or Windows? Sent from my iPod On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen Kraus wrote: >> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due >> to >> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! > > Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for > those > worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 > ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 > qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy > =/f7y > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From ebwolf at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 13:34:23 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:35:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906061034p7d2a8a78td07a30d910c8e3e6@mail.gmail.com> Battery life. Light weight. They will all run Linux or Android. I'm organizing a major open source conference. An idea I put out was to sell a netbook as a $100 add-on to workshop registration. The netbooks would all be preconfigured for the workshops. We're also likely going to use Amazon EC2 for server-oriented workshops. This is much cheaper than renting workstations for a day and easier than having everyone try to use their own laptop. Live CDs work well too. So cheaper netbooks are pretty big on my radar. Although it'll be interesting to see how Intel reacts to competition from these other players. Right now, the Atom is a pretty good chip - but their 945 chipset is currently drawing way too much power (about 30W). -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can only > run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, and/= or > Windows? > > Sent from my iPod > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stephen Kraus wrote: >> >>> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to >>> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! >>> >> >> Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for those >> worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 >> ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) >> >> - -Dave >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 >> qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy >> =3D/f7y >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/3cca6d5c/a= ttachment.htm From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 13:40:19 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 6 13:40:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> Message-ID: <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> Niche toys is rather harsh I think Chad, some of the most powerful systems in the world have been based on risc systems. Most cell phones cpus are, as they have been, ARM. I'd love to see more risc based systems On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can only > run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, and/= or > Windows? > > Sent from my iPod > > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stephen Kraus wrote: >> >>> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to >>> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! >>> >> >> Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for those >> worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 >> ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) >> >> - -Dave >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 >> qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy >> =3D/f7y >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/0af07d10/a= ttachment.htm From stewartbenjamin at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 14:30:49 2009 From: stewartbenjamin at gmail.com (Benjamin Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 6 14:31:15 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <afed48b10906061130x6fde1ca4i3b2cf5499113da2e@mail.gmail.com> I saw the cheap little MIPS netbooks awhile back, and at first I was intrigued, until I realized that they would never be very good for web browsing (You know, the "net" part of netbook). I haven't done any research, but I'm pretty sure there's no MIPS version of flash for Linux, and as much as I hate it, any browsing platform without flash is a 2nd-class citizen on much of the interwebs today. MIPS sure is cool, though! On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com>wrote: > Niche toys is rather harsh I think Chad, some of the most powerful systems > in the world have been based on risc systems. Most cell phones cpus are, = as > they have been, ARM. I'd love to see more risc based systems > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can only >> run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, and= /or >> Windows? >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> >> On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Stephen Kraus wrote: >>> >>>> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to >>>> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! >>>> >>> >>> Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for those >>> worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 >>> ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) >>> >>> - -Dave >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>> >>> iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 >>> qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy >>> =3D/f7y >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > ______________________________ > Stephen Kraus > UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There probably is a version someone has done of flash for MIP/ARM On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Benjamin Stewart <stewartbenjamin@gmail.com>wrote: > I saw the cheap little MIPS netbooks awhile back, and at first I was > intrigued, until I realized that they would never be very good for web > browsing (You know, the "net" part of netbook). I haven't done any resear= ch, > but I'm pretty sure there's no MIPS version of flash for Linux, and as mu= ch > as I hate it, any browsing platform without flash is a 2nd-class citizen = on > much of the interwebs today. > MIPS sure is cool, though! > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com>wro= te: > >> Niche toys is rather harsh I think Chad, some of the most powerful syste= ms >> in the world have been based on risc systems. Most cell phones cpus are,= as >> they have been, ARM. I'd love to see more risc based systems >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can only >>> run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, an= d/or >>> Windows? >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Stephen Kraus wrote: >>>> >>>>> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to >>>>> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for those >>>> worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 >>>> ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) >>>> >>>> - -Dave >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 >>>> qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy >>>> =3D/f7y >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> Stephen Kraus >> UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/747c623f/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 15:46:18 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:46:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39789B63-DD6C-4314-A4C9-ED3D8D95C7BA@gmail.com> I don't doubt the ability of the platform. But the market for high powered ARM based laptops is not even a possility. Again, why limit your access to OSes and apps? Especially when talking about anything other than the super low end of the market. If you are talking about a powerful desktop replacement laptop - that means money. And I would imagine that most people who aregoing to spend a lotof money don't want to limit themselves to just Android. That what smartphones are for. Sent from my iPod On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:40 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com> wrote: > Niche toys is rather harsh I think Chad, some of the most powerful > systems in the world have been based on risc systems. Most cell > phones cpus are, as they have been, ARM. I'd love to see more risc > based systems > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can > only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, > Mac, and/or Windows? > > Sent from my iPod > > > On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen Kraus wrote: > ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due to > x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! > > Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for > those > worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 > ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 > qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy > =/f7y > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > -- > ______________________________ > Stephen Kraus > UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/f3ed4ea3/attachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 15:51:40 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:52:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <133c60cf0906052316r2d10e1c7i479f5096b7bae122@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906041933h265e6d7bl99dda5fcd75a3dcf@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906052242g488cbd46i2f4d239e14267497@mail.gmail.com> <133c60cf0906052316r2d10e1c7i479f5096b7bae122@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906061251w60bb2c9ax23b9bc59cd55ae89@mail.gmail.com> Ok, so I found alot more stuff... a couple more rackmount servers lots of RAM (about 50GB or so) Bluesocket wireless controller Cisco 7206 with lots of extras another DL380 G3 (Dual 2.8ghz 1GB of RAM 2x36GB SCSI) lots of miscellaneous IP phones and adapters Linksys storage controller for making USB drives into a NAS and the list goes on. Anyone else got anything to list? AW On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Sparky <sparky13@gmail.com> wrote: > I will be there. > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>wrote: > >> So that being stated how many people will maybe show? I would like to >> make sure I have everything that people need to display their stuff. >> >> AW >> >> >> >> >> On 6/4/09, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Wish it was next weekend - there is a chance I might be down there then. >>> >>> - Chad Smith >>> http://www.chadwsmith.com/ >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>wrot= e: >>> >>>> As of right now I have (not a complete list): >>>> >>>> 12 channel audio mixer >>>> HP DL360 G3 >>>> HP DL380 G3 >>>> Lots of -48V stuff with the rectifiers to power them >>>> 2x Cobalt Raq3/4s >>>> Some misc Cisco stuff >>>> Cisco 2948G L3 layer 3 switch >>>> Random Asterisk/Digium cards for PBXs >>>> A few Osprey video capture cards >>>> Different kinds of RAM (PC133, DDR, ECC DDR, ECC DDR2, 72-pin SIMMs, >>>> etc) >>>> SGI O2 (might sell, do not know) >>>> Shuttle mini desktop with 2.8Ghz P4, 1GB RAM, 250GB HD, and DVD-RW >>>> TONS of cables of all kinds >>>> Fiber splicing and testing gear >>>> and... that is all I can remember off the top of my head. >>>> >>>> AW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you have a list of goodies that you are trying to sell? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > Weather permitting we can do it outside on Saturday sometime in the >>>>> > afternoon. I would say setup starting at 3PM and general admittance >>>>> around >>>>> > 4PM. I have parking in the driveway for about 8 cars and there is >>>>> other >>>>> > parking on the street next to my house. If you guys will let me know >>>>> what >>>>> > you are bringing I will make sure I have some space set aside and it >>>>> will >>>>> > give people a chance to see what is going to be here. Location >>>>> information >>>>> > below. >>>>> > >>>>> > Aaron >>>>> > 4628 Jersey Pike >>>>> > Chattanooga, TN 37416 >>>>> > (423)505-9999 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Why not, where at & when? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net >>>>> > >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> let's do it... I've got a fever and the only prescription is mo= re >>>>> >>> cowbell or more hardware... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ---- Original message from Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>: >>>>> --- >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Anyone up for a swap meet? I am more than willing to host if >>>>> anyone is >>>>> >>> interested. I might even be willing to part with some of my home >>>>> brewed >>>>> >>> beer if necessary. I am thinking Saturday would be good. :+) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> AW >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> Aaron Welch >>>>> >>> 423-505-9999 >>>>> >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>>>> >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Aaron Welch >>>>> > 423-505-9999 >>>>> > n2nightfall@gmail.com >>>>> > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Chugalug mailing list >>>>> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -------------- >>>>> Nick Smith >>>>> nick at nicksmith dot us >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Aaron Welch >>>> 423-505-9999 >>>> n2nightfall@gmail.com >>>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Aaron Welch >> 423-505-9999 >> n2nightfall@gmail.com >> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090606/1c991af9/a= ttachment.htm From shadowhunter at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 15:52:37 2009 From: shadowhunter at gmail.com (Alex Smith (K4RNT)) Date: Sat Jun 6 15:52:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <39789B63-DD6C-4314-A4C9-ED3D8D95C7BA@gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> <39789B63-DD6C-4314-A4C9-ED3D8D95C7BA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a806910906061252v631357bx402a5e623d499a8b@mail.gmail.com> Netbook != desktop replacement Netbook == ultra thin and light Netbook != gaming system Netbook == Gmail, Google Docs, cloud computing, etc. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chad Smith<chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't doubt the ability of the platform. ?But the market for high powered > ARM based laptops is not even a possility. ?Again, why limit your access to > OSes and apps? ?Especially when talking about anything other than the super > low end of the market. ?If you are talking about a powerful desktop > replacement laptop - that means money. ?And I would imagine that most people > who aregoing to spend a lotof money don't want to limit themselves to just > Android. That what smartphones are for. > Sent from my iPod -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Nashville, Tennessee USA From chad78 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 17:45:26 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Sat Jun 6 17:45:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <46a806910906061252v631357bx402a5e623d499a8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> <39789B63-DD6C-4314-A4C9-ED3D8D95C7BA@gmail.com> <46a806910906061252v631357bx402a5e623d499a8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20CD264C-29F0-45A4-B0F1-32184C38F312@gmail.com> See my first reply in this thread. Sent from my iPod On Jun 6, 2009, at 2:52 PM, "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" <shadowhunter@gmail.com> wrote: > Netbook != desktop replacement > Netbook == ultra thin and light > > Netbook != gaming system > Netbook == Gmail, Google Docs, cloud computing, etc. > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Chad Smith<chad78@gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't doubt the ability of the platform. But the market for high >> powered >> ARM based laptops is not even a possility. Again, why limit your >> access to >> OSes and apps? Especially when talking about anything other than >> the super >> low end of the market. If you are talking about a powerful desktop >> replacement laptop - that means money. And I would imagine that >> most people >> who aregoing to spend a lotof money don't want to limit themselves >> to just >> Android. That what smartphones are for. >> Sent from my iPod > > -- > " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech > censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, > chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron > Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is > trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar > on > Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" > - Alex Smith (K4RNT) > - Nashville, Tennessee USA > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Jun 6 18:23:41 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sat Jun 6 18:23:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <FE598E8B-F1E7-41F1-AA96-938822C8AF4A@gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <20090605174011.1c17f468@revelstone.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061031390.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> <FE598E8B-F1E7-41F1-AA96-938822C8AF4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061818001.10905@w0707.geeklabs.net> > I know I'm an abberation on list, but one of my top criteria for a laptop is > weight, probably because I lug it through the airport every week. I've been > really happy with my Macbook Pro. It's certainly not cheap, but it has a > really nice screen, and in addition to OS-X, can natively run whatever Linux > flavor you want. VMware Fusion is also super cheap if you'd prefer several > OSes in VMs. After playing with one in the store for an hour... (MacBook Pro) and playing with a Sony with a 1920x1080 18.4" screen.. a very very bright and crisp screen. I bought the Sony. Via NewEgg, because the store's only one left was the display... and it' had been played with a lot (H.H.Gregg, Chattanooga) I bought a monster: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834117886 17.2" by 11.4" 1.6".. 8.8 pounds. But as a portable dev system.. I think it'll rock lots of screen space. I'll let ya'll know how well it runs Ubuntu/Debian.. except for the webcam, it all looks pretty well supported. From chad78 at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 19:55:44 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Sat Jun 6 19:56:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061818001.10905@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <20090605174011.1c17f468@revelstone.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061031390.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> <FE598E8B-F1E7-41F1-AA96-938822C8AF4A@gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061818001.10905@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906061655y3b81m30ee3ee0f16c7cd@mail.gmail.com> 18.4" Screen!!! - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > I know I'm an abberation on list, but one of my top criteria for a laptop >> is weight, probably because I lug it through the airport every week. I'= ve >> been really happy with my Macbook Pro. It's certainly not cheap, but it= has >> a really nice screen, and in addition to OS-X, can natively run whatever >> Linux flavor you want. VMware Fusion is also super cheap if you'd prefer >> several OSes in VMs. >> > > After playing with one in the store for an hour... (MacBook Pro) > > and playing with a Sony with a 1920x1080 18.4" screen.. > a very very bright and crisp screen. I bought the Sony. Via NewEgg, becau= se > the store's only one left was the display... and it' had been played with= a > lot (H.H.Gregg, Chattanooga) > > I bought a monster: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16834117886 > > 17.2" by 11.4" 1.6".. 8.8 pounds. > > But as a portable dev system.. I think it'll rock > lots of screen space. > > I'll let ya'll know how well it runs Ubuntu/Debian.. > except for the webcam, it all looks pretty well supported. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > 18.4" Screen!!! > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > >> I know I'm an abberation on list, but one of my top criteria for a lapt= op >>> is weight, probably because I lug it through the airport every week. I= 've >>> been really happy with my Macbook Pro. It's certainly not cheap, but i= t has >>> a really nice screen, and in addition to OS-X, can natively run whatever >>> Linux flavor you want. VMware Fusion is also super cheap if you'd pref= er >>> several OSes in VMs. >>> >> >> After playing with one in the store for an hour... (MacBook Pro) >> >> and playing with a Sony with a 1920x1080 18.4" screen.. >> a very very bright and crisp screen. I bought the Sony. Via NewEgg, >> because the store's only one left was the display... and it' had been pl= ayed >> with a lot (H.H.Gregg, Chattanooga) >> >> I bought a monster: >> >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=3DN82E16834117886 >> >> 17.2" by 11.4" 1.6".. 8.8 pounds. >> >> But as a portable dev system.. I think it'll rock >> lots of screen space. >> >> I'll let ya'll know how well it runs Ubuntu/Debian.. >> except for the webcam, it all looks pretty well supported. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090607/233558f7/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 7 07:55:08 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 7 07:55:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906061034p7d2a8a78td07a30d910c8e3e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906061034p7d2a8a78td07a30d910c8e3e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906070741230.22183@w0707.geeklabs.net> > I'm organizing a major open source conference. An idea I put out was to sell > a netbook as a $100 add-on to workshop registration. The netbooks would all We have reached the age where a functional, useful computer is high-end schwag. I finally broke down and bought one. An Asus 1008HA "Seashell" and I'm impressed with it. Not enough screen real estate for serious work, but more than enough for most tasks. With a 1.6ghz Atom and 1gb of ram, it even runs a lamp stack fairly well for light work. Battery power isn't a real issue, I'm rarely more than a couple of hours without plugging in or able to. Ubuntu Jaunty Netbook Remix took some getting used to, but I'm liking it after adding a few things like xterm and vlc. Nancy just started the Covenant Quest program (a 1 night a week Bachelors program) and they issued her a laptop. With Vista. It's been a support headache for them, as even Outlook Web Access to Exchange does not work the same under Vista as WinXP, you can only get the "light" version. At least the pre-removed most of the scrapeware. I got rid of the rest. If you do this for a conference, using Linux, you'll have better control of such configuration issues. Having recently watched Jonny Prouty do serious map cave work on Linux using a 200mhz laptop, I can see where it would be the place to do that kind of work if you can. --Mike-- From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 7 08:01:12 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 7 08:01:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: Big laptop advice In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906062322m663d84e5n27b43025f121c094@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906051640200.7965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <20090605174011.1c17f468@revelstone.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061031390.32667@w0707.geeklabs.net> <FE598E8B-F1E7-41F1-AA96-938822C8AF4A@gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906061818001.10905@w0707.geeklabs.net> <6f2c36da0906061655y3b81m30ee3ee0f16c7cd@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906062322m663d84e5n27b43025f121c094@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906070757200.22183@w0707.geeklabs.net> > That is one massive screen! HH Gregg had a 16.4" Sony with an X-Bright high res screen left on display marked down to $790 in good shape, with dual core 2ghz cpu and 4gb of ram. When you compare screen res to other things I saw yesterday, it's a pretty good deal. Computers Plus on Gunbarrel gets a A+ for salesmenship, even though they didn't have what I was looking for. They seemed to know their stuff. From danlyke at flutterby.com Sun Jun 7 09:57:57 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Sun Jun 7 09:57:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090607065757.4d04d0c2@danhplaptop> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:25:21 -0500 Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can > only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, > Mac, and/or Windows? > > Sent from my iPod I just had to quote this in full to savor the irony. I'm no fan of RISC in general, but I think the ARM chips are showing dominance in the devices which transcend categorization. The cheap laptop of the future is your iPod. Dan From infocop411 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 13:07:16 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:07:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Anyone going to clemson In-Reply-To: <17995.66.129.4.209.1244217427.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <1244200448.3998.5.camel@TheZoo.TheZoo> <17995.66.129.4.209.1244217427.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906071007o6e95bb90t87e33daa95f976b2@mail.gmail.com> SGF2ZSB0aG91Z2h0cywgZHJldyB1cCBwbGFucy4gc2VlbXMgZ2FzIGlzIHRvbyBoaWdoIHRvIGJ1 ZGdldCBpdCBpbgoKT24gRnJpLCBKdW4gNSwgMjAwOSBhdCAxMTo1NyBBTSwgcnd5b3VuZyA8cnd5 b3VuZ0BjaGF0dGFub29nYS5uZXQ+IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBtaWdodCBsb29rIGludG8gdGhhdC4KPgo+ IDxxdW90ZSB3aG89IkpheWUgSGFycmlzIj4KPiA+IGh0dHA6Ly9zb3V0aGVhc3RsaW51eGZlc3Qu b3JnLyAgSnVuZSAxMywgMjAwOQo+ID4KPiA+IGtpbmRhJyBsYXRlIGJ1dCBpdCBtaWdodCBiZSBp bnRlcmVzdGluZwo+ID4KPiA+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fCj4gPiBDaHVnYWx1ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiA+IENodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVn Lm9yZwo+ID4gaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vY2h1 Z2FsdWcKPiA+Cj4KPgo+IC0tCj4gUi4gVy4gWW91bmcKPgo+ICJUaGVyZSdzIGNsYXNzIHdhcmZh cmUgYWxsIHJpZ2h0LiBCdXQgaXQncyBteSBjbGFzcywgdGhlIHJpY2ggY2xhc3MsCj4gdGhhdCdz IG1ha2luZyB3YXIsIGFuZCB3ZSdyZSB3aW5uaW5nLiIgLVdhcnJlbiBCdWZmZXR0Cj4KPiAiQmVp bmcgY2FsbGVkIHZpbmRpY3RpdmUgYW5kIHBhcnRpc2FuIGJ5IFRvbSBEZUxheSBpcyBsaWtlIGJl aW5nIGNhbGxlZAo+IHVnbHkgYnkgYSBmcm9nLCIgLVJvbm5pZSBFYXJsZSwgQXVzdGluIFRleGFz IERBCj4KPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdwb2Z0bi5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vdG4uZ3JlZW5zLm9yZy8KPiBo dHRwOi8vd3d3LmdwdXMub3JnLwo+ID09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cj4KPgo+ IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gQ2h1Z2Fs dWcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cj4gQ2h1Z2FsdWdAY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnCj4gaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJz Lm5ldC9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vY2h1Z2FsdWcKPgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLSBu ZXh0IHBhcnQgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KQW4gSFRNTCBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyBzY3J1YmJlZC4u LgpVUkw6IGh0dHA6Ly9nZWVrbGFicy5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL2NodWdhbHVnL2F0dGFjaG1lbnRz LzIwMDkwNjA3LzUyYTZkYjZlL2F0dGFjaG1lbnQuaHRtCg== From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sun Jun 7 13:08:12 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:08:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49917.67.167.162.103.1244394492.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> iphone a cheap toy? . . . . <quote who="Chad Smith"> > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can > only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, > Mac, and/or Windows? > > Sent from my iPod From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sun Jun 7 13:10:33 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:10:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <afed48b10906061130x6fde1ca4i3b2cf5499113da2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <f61562b0906061040o8390bd3j446b3634f38e672c@mail.gmail.com> <afed48b10906061130x6fde1ca4i3b2cf5499113da2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49924.67.167.162.103.1244394633.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> HTML 5 has alternatives to flash. Iread where schools in Cali are going to linux. And whiile Adobe has released flash for linux the lack of Shockwave is causing some ill feelings toward Adobe. <quote who="Benjamin Stewart"> > I saw the cheap little MIPS netbooks awhile back, and at first I was > intrigued, until I realized that they would never be very good for web > browsing (You know, the "net" part of netbook). I haven't done any > research, > but I'm pretty sure there's no MIPS version of flash for Linux, and as > much > as I hate it, any browsing platform without flash is a 2nd-class citizen > on > much of the interwebs today. > MIPS sure is cool, though! > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Stephen Kraus > <ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Niche toys is rather harsh I think Chad, some of the most powerful >> systems >> in the world have been based on risc systems. Most cell phones cpus are, >> as >> they have been, ARM. I'd love to see more risc based systems >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can >>> only >>> run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, Mac, >>> and/or >>> Windows? >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Stephen Kraus wrote: >>>> >>>>> ARM and MIPS are awesome technologies that have been overlooked due >>>>> to >>>>> x86's dominance in the market, I am excited! >>>>> >>>> >>>> Good to see RISC architectures still alive and kicking... and for >>>> those >>>> worried, if MS wants it badly enough, they can port their code. NT40 >>>> ran on MIPS, as did the first W2K Betas :) >>>> >>>> - -Dave >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>> >>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkoqpO8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SY3ACdFl0g6u7WnrrM26TlIr+BeqM7 >>>> qPEAoKCd+i2UYGmCqiwisjJv3niRV2Hy >>>> =/f7y >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> Stephen Kraus >> UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From infocop411 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 13:10:04 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:10:31 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Chugalug Swap Meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906061251w60bb2c9ax23b9bc59cd55ae89@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906032022h56841fu826970e1542b1bf8@mail.gmail.com> <060420090402.21453.4A2747530004DF2B000053CD22243323629B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <d38d3bef0906040454t3fad6ac6w404091aa99db3aca@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906040700p5c9aceapd27fe3d2fd9dc1fa@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906041211l5d164693u67e7a74a89bd5397@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906041927t422ea30dg7bd303db8aabe67b@mail.gmail.com> 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meuon at geeklabs.com (Meuon) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:40:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <49917.67.167.162.103.1244394492.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <49917.67.167.162.103.1244394492.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <FDF118D3-E0F7-40F2-9141-BDCA5CEDA576@geeklabs.com> It's a matter of scale. But yes. The iPhone is a cheap toy. And an incredible value. Sent from my iPhone, while running errands with nancy. On Jun 7, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > iphone a cheap toy? . . . . > > <quote who="Chad Smith"> >> Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can >> only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, >> Mac, and/or Windows? >> >> Sent from my iPod > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From chad78 at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 13:41:16 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Sun Jun 7 13:41:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] arm laptops In-Reply-To: <20090607065757.4d04d0c2@danhplaptop> References: <53701.67.167.162.103.1244307269.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <f61562b0906060958q48e3e216scabe4a5328637aa5@mail.gmail.com> <4A2AA4F3.8050403@brockmans.com> <D2C16488-1BF0-430A-9643-5D773E8F2116@gmail.com> <20090607065757.4d04d0c2@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906071041o3f3aa67yfdf1446e4c7803cc@mail.gmail.com> I knew my iPod was ARM. That's why I left that (what I see as smug) "sent from my iPod" sig line on there. I was hoping someone would point that out. We're not talking about ARM powered devices - we're talking ARM powered laptops. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:25:21 -0500 > Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > Niche market at best. Cheap toys. Why buy a cheap laptop that can > > only run Linux, when you can buy a cheap netbook that can run Linux, > > Mac, and/or Windows? > > > > Sent from my iPod > > I just had to quote this in full to savor the irony. I'm no fan of RISC > in general, but I think the ARM chips are showing dominance in the > devices which transcend categorization. The cheap laptop of the future > is your iPod. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I like ubuntu but if mono is shoved down our throats I might go pure debian. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/ Then there is this deb that intentionally causes conflicts mono on your system. From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 8 12:58:03 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 8 12:57:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mono fight in ubuntu land In-Reply-To: <62488.66.129.4.209.1244480073.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <62488.66.129.4.209.1244480073.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <31406.66.129.4.209.1244480283.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <quote who="rwyoung"> > Anyone else following this mono/banshee fight in ubuntu land? > I like ubuntu but if mono is shoved down our throats I might go pure > debian. > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/06/opposition-to-mono-by-default/ > > Then there is this deb that intentionally causes conflicts mono on your > system. > oops forgot link. http://tim.thechases.com/mononono/ From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 8 16:21:59 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 8 16:21:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Anyone need palm pilot memory? Message-ID: <35007.66.129.4.209.1244492519.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Upgrades pilot 1000, 5000, or personal edition. -- R. W. Young From ghasty at hastypudding.com Tue Jun 9 19:48:08 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Tue Jun 9 19:48:31 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com Message-ID: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argument/ Sent from my iPhone From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 00:14:49 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 00:14:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <4A2F3339.9060807@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gary Hasty wrote: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argument/ While the above troll bait was amusing, it links to an oldie but goodie that I haven't seen in a few years -- but still true today :) http://linuxmafia.com/cabal/os-suck.html - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkovMzcACgkQABP1RO+tr2S0FQCgt/tCbUC4lFOND+eS2KUDwe1X uFMAniUA51btMFgepL3XRHdAO76hJ1jE =QEH7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 10 07:35:16 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 10 07:35:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argument/ Just an example of why I no longer read "Wired" aka "Tired". No: Emacs or Vi? or: Linux vs BSD? I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 10 09:07:00 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 10 09:07:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906100607i5f5501d0l9557857e9ecadf2e@mail.gmail.com> I admit I'm a cult firefly adict. It's probably one of the best shows ever made. :D But I agree, distro wars are probably one of the biggest geek arguments out there, and that wasn't mentioned either. Of course #10 was the one that made me twitch ;) On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > > >> http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argum= ent/ >> > > Just an example of why I no longer read "Wired" aka "Tired". > > No: Emacs or Vi? > > or: Linux vs BSD? > > I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. > Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, it would be useful if someone using Comcast ran the ICSI Netalyzr and posted the resulting permalink in the comments. http://comcastisfuckingwithyourport53traffic.wordpress.com/ PS he sez it has stopped for now. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 10 09:19:53 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 10 09:20:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <62749.66.129.4.209.1244639993.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> The two dollhouse episodes I saw was interesting. Firefly was closer to josie wales. <quote who="Mike Harrison"> > On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > >> http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argument/ > > Just an example of why I no longer read "Wired" aka "Tired". > > No: Emacs or Vi? > > or: Linux vs BSD? > > I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. > Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 10 10:04:03 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 10 10:04:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906100607i5f5501d0l9557857e9ecadf2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <d06a284e0906100607i5f5501d0l9557857e9ecadf2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101003090.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> > arguments out there, and that wasn't mentioned either. Of course #10 was > the one that made me twitch ;) Hey. I'm not a "real" programmer in many ways... Uh.. and I use PHP. It's a great tool for certain jobs. ;) From flushy at flushy.net Wed Jun 10 11:02:28 2009 From: flushy at flushy.net (flushy) Date: Wed Jun 10 11:02:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> Mike Harrison wrote: > I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. > Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. so? what's cooler than guns AND spaceships? maybe if it had half-naked chicks in it.. oh wait. it did. ok.. ninja spaceships From deawar at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 11:21:47 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Wed Jun 10 11:21:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> What you didn't think Serenity was a ninja spaceship?!?!? On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, flushy <flushy@flushy.net> wrote: > Mike Harrison wrote: > > I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. > > Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. > > so? > > what's cooler than guns AND spaceships? > > maybe if it had half-naked chicks in it.. oh wait. it did. > > ok.. ninja spaceships > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/3f89d6d2/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 12:00:02 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:00:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> I think "The iPhone Sucks." or "The iPhone Rocks" should be on this list. People seems to have a strong opinion about that one way or the other. (I've been following a comment thread fight on a UMPC blog about that one - it's been pretty funny.) I like a few from the comments on here: Captain Picard was a better captain than Kirk =93Nintendo are better than Sony and/or Microsoft=94 in any order you like Star Trek vs. Star Wars - (Or better yet - just use the names interchangably. "Yoda was awesome one Star Track.") =93Why does it matter what aspect I watch this movie in, I want it to fill = the screen!=94 or =94 you know you can get rid of those black bars on the side?= =94 =93Why couldn=92t the eagle fly Frodo to his destination instead of only fl= ying him home???=94 [I've asked this one myself. It's a perfectly logical question.] =93I don=92t understand why people like Wikis. The library is so much bette= r.=94 =93I do all my shopping and bill paying by mail or by phone, your identity = is much safer than doing it online.=94 Posted by: gorkon | 06/9/09 | 1:13 pm (Did a better list than the author, IMHO) > I have a few: > > vi vs emacs > MP3 vs OGG > Mono in any Linux distro (since Fedora isn=92t putting it in anymore). > PowerPC vs x86 > CISC vs RISC > iPhone vs everyone else. > - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > What you didn't think Serenity was a ninja spaceship?!?!? > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, flushy <flushy@flushy.net> wrote: > >> Mike Harrison wrote: >> > I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. >> > Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. >> >> so? >> >> what's cooler than guns AND spaceships? >> >> maybe if it had half-naked chicks in it.. oh wait. it did. >> >> ok.. ninja spaceships >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dan From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 10 12:15:00 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:14:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:00:02 -0500 Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > I think "The iPhone Sucks." or "The iPhone Rocks" should be on this > list. People seems to have a strong opinion about that one way or the > other. Grins. I've been a "my phone should make phone calls" guy for years, but I finally broke down and bought an iPhone. The iPhone has convinced me that I really want a smartphone, and I'm counting down the 23 remaining months of my contract 'til I can replace the iPhone with one... Dan From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 12:19:12 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:19:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> Ouch - you just bought your iPhone last month.... - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:00:02 -0500 > Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think "The iPhone Sucks." or "The iPhone Rocks" should be on this > > list. People seems to have a strong opinion about that one way or the > > other. > > Grins. I've been a "my phone should make phone calls" guy for years, > but I finally broke down and bought an iPhone. The iPhone has > convinced me that I really want a smartphone, and I'm counting down the > 23 remaining months of my contract 'til I can replace the iPhone with > one... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only thing the new iPhone 3Gs delivered is a camera that isn't a total joke and enough battery life that it's actually usable untethered. I bought AppleCare, so I don't care how many battery charging cycles this thing gets; I've got a charger in my car and a charger on my desk and if I have to charge it twice a day I've gotten used to that. And I'm used to carrying a good camera, which means I've also got a case to carry around the charging cord. If they'd come out with a keyboard or a better GPS or user replaceable/spare battery or a way to see what you're taking a picture of when the camera's pointed towards you (cell phone cameras are really primarily good for "I was here" style self-portraits) or had un-crippled the operating system, then I'd be pissed off. But it's an iPhone, it's the "Hello Kitty" of smart phones: the plan was simple, the device is just enough to whet my appetite for what a capable phone could do. It's a cute toy, it convinced me that a device that's more than a phone is cool, and I'll be glad to replace it with something capable. And hopefully 3.0 will give this thing decent Bluetooth capabilities. (Speaking of which, next up on the soldering table is building a GPS tracking device so that, in conjunction with GPS Log on the iPhone, I have better location data... reports forthcoming.) Dan From lists at masterforge.com Wed Jun 10 12:54:31 2009 From: lists at masterforge.com (Jason Brown) Date: Wed Jun 10 12:54:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A2FE547.5080205@masterforge.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your iPhone does Copy and Paste? Who would have thought a phone could > do copy and paste? Apple obviously doesn't think so! > > -Eric > I believe that was introduced in the latest software version, as well as video recording and editing. -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/1eaabe1a/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 13:16:27 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:16:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> The new iPhone *does* have better GPS. - including turn-by-turn directions, and a built-in compass (er, um, magnetometer). The new iPhone is also about twice as fast.....not that I'm rubbing it in. *gulp* If you put a mirror on the back of your iPhone, you can see what you're taking a picture of if you are on the camera side of the iPhone. It's geek-chic. :) - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:19:12 -0500 > Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ouch - you just bought your iPhone last month.... > > Yeah, well... The only thing the new iPhone 3Gs delivered is a camera > that isn't a total joke and enough battery life that it's actually > usable untethered. I bought AppleCare, so I don't care how many battery > charging cycles this thing gets; I've got a charger in my car and a > charger on my desk and if I have to charge it twice a day I've gotten > used to that. > > And I'm used to carrying a good camera, which means I've also got a > case to carry around the charging cord. > > If they'd come out with a keyboard or a better GPS or user > replaceable/spare battery or a way to see what you're taking a picture > of when the camera's pointed towards you (cell phone cameras are > really primarily good for "I was here" style self-portraits) or had > un-crippled the operating system, then I'd be pissed off. > > But it's an iPhone, it's the "Hello Kitty" of smart phones: the plan > was simple, the device is just enough to whet my appetite for what a > capable phone could do. It's a cute toy, it convinced me that a > device that's more than a phone is cool, and I'll be glad to replace it > with something capable. > > And hopefully 3.0 will give this thing decent Bluetooth capabilities. > > (Speaking of which, next up on the soldering table is building a GPS > tracking device so that, in conjunction with GPS Log on the iPhone, > I have better location data... reports forthcoming.) > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/e7358b34/a= ttachment.htm From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 10 13:20:41 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:21:40 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906100958k31d08097v48db9671971acc63@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <4A2FE547.5080205@masterforge.com> <18bb6ba00906100958k31d08097v48db9671971acc63@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <342BDF47-F54E-41D7-AFD9-65C86891222E@hastypudding.com> Not until next week Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > Copy and paste. > > Wow! Your iPhone does Copy and Paste? Who would have thought a phone > could do copy and paste? Apple obviously doesn't think so! > > -Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 10 13:30:56 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:30:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58598.66.129.4.209.1244655056.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <quote who="Chad Smith"> > and a built-in compass (er, um, magnetometer). Is it just vectot or do they scalar functions as well From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 13:39:47 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:39:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A2FEFE3.4040803@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dan Lyke wrote: > Grins. I've been a "my phone should make phone calls" guy for years, > but I finally broke down and bought an iPhone. The iPhone has > convinced me that I really want a smartphone, and I'm counting down the > 23 remaining months of my contract 'til I can replace the iPhone with > one... > > Dan ROFL. Love it! - -D -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkov7+AACgkQABP1RO+tr2Q05wCeKOQsFJLlOIGkc8BpbOdb6uAU RdMAn3ACGZj8H2kpUlGffhCyxEHINVbY =Xaao -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 13:56:36 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 13:56:31 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <58598.66.129.4.209.1244655056.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <58598.66.129.4.209.1244655056.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101056p1107680cs2e5d2b71f3fd7e7e@mail.gmail.com> Honestly, I have no idea what you just said. So I'll just quote whatever I find on the compass feature. Google is your friend. It has a magnetometer, which works with a Compass application, third parties, and it is integrated into the new Google maps app, showing your orientation with a small semitransparent cone. With a built-in digital compass, iPhone 3G S can point the way. Use the new Compass app, or watch as it automatically reorients maps to match the direction you=92re facing. Compass reliability may be affected by usage conditions such as nearby magnetic fields. http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/maps-compass.html On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > > <quote who=3D"Chad Smith"> > > > and a built-in compass (er, um, magnetometer). > > Is it just vectot or do they scalar functions as well > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/a0adbad8/a= ttachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 10 14:38:26 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 10 14:38:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A2FE547.5080205@masterforge.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <4A2FE547.5080205@masterforge.com> Message-ID: <20090610113826.233b963f@danhplaptop> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:54:31 -0400 Jason Brown <lists@masterforge.com> wrote: > A jailbroken iphone is a wonderful tool. Yeah, I'm almost there. So does the jailbreak still let all the other Apple stuff work normally? I'd love to have a better music management system than (eeeewww) iTunes. Copy & paste and allegedly undo is coming in 3.0, but the list of cool stuff that you can do once the phone is house^Wjailbroken is pretty impressive. Dan From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 10 14:47:30 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 10 14:47:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:16:27 -0500 Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > If you put a mirror on the back of your iPhone, you can see what > you're taking a picture of if you are on the camera side of the > iPhone. It's geek-chic. :) Yeah, I need to find a piece of mylar. Which makes me wonder why Apple didn't just make the shiny logo on the back of the phone bigger... And then, of course, I'll be fumbling around on the side of the phone I can't see to find the shutter release. It'd also be nice to find a better case for it than I've got. I'd really like one of those plastic waterproof cigarette cases that are now being sold in credit card size where the top flips off sideways in an iPhone size, but no joy so far. Oh, and the iPhone also comes with Apple style reliability: Charlene needs to take hers in for service already, the screen has been color fringing for a few weeks, this weekend the battery went down to red and stays there, no matter the charging scenario. At least Apple Care and the Apple Store folks make taking in your hardware for service a relatively pleasant experience, since it happens so often. Dan From ebwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 14:49:21 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Wed Jun 10 14:49:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> > > At least Apple Care and the Apple Store folks make taking in your > hardware for service a relatively pleasant experience, since it > happens so often. > Like a proctologist who's generous with the lube. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/7c074098/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 15:39:28 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:39:23 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101239k64365777l25747e1171ce395f@mail.gmail.com> I've had my iPod Touch for at least 6 months - never had a problem with it - and I got it used, it's a 1G. I've had 2 MacBooks, and I've used AppleCare on both - but I wouldn't say they are unreliable by any means. Most of the repairs were cosmetic (a chipped bezel, discoloration, etc.). - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:16:27 -0500 > Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you put a mirror on the back of your iPhone, you can see what > > you're taking a picture of if you are on the camera side of the > > iPhone. It's geek-chic. :) > > Yeah, I need to find a piece of mylar. Which makes me wonder why Apple > didn't just make the shiny logo on the back of the phone bigger... And > then, of course, I'll be fumbling around on the side of the phone I > can't see to find the shutter release. > > It'd also be nice to find a better case for it than I've got. I'd > really like one of those plastic waterproof cigarette cases that are > now being sold in credit card size where the top flips off sideways in > an iPhone size, but no joy so far. > > Oh, and the iPhone also comes with Apple style reliability: Charlene > needs to take hers in for service already, the screen has been color > fringing for a few weeks, this weekend the battery went down to red and > stays there, no matter the charging scenario. > > At least Apple Care and the Apple Store folks make taking in your > hardware for service a relatively pleasant experience, since it > happens so often. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/ac890c04/a= ttachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 10 15:39:05 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:39:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well as iTunes feature/usability wise. And as far as apple style reliability, I have a PowerBook G4 that's my backup machine that is still running strong after 6 years, still usable with most modern apps too, and never been in the shop. I also have a 24" iMac that has never had any problems other than a bad hard drive(which I replaced myself), which is definitely not an apple problem as it is the same WD hard drive found in any average PC. From what I can tell apple actually makes it's products better than the average manufacturer. Every now and then you get "lemons" but from what I can tell it's less frequently than most. Obviously there are some things that Apple could do better, such as skipping DRM, and making the iPhone/iPod more customizable, but they're still the best thing out there so far. And you can't deny that they have totally changed the way the world looks at both phones and personal media players. Not that I'm an apple fanboy or anything ;) On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > At least Apple Care and the Apple Store folks make taking in your >> hardware for service a relatively pleasant experience, since it >> happens so often. >> > > Like a proctologist who's generous with the lube. > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/d4a6c43b/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Wed Jun 10 15:40:26 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:40:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101056p1107680cs2e5d2b71f3fd7e7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <58598.66.129.4.209.1244655056.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <6f2c36da0906101056p1107680cs2e5d2b71f3fd7e7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54382.66.129.4.209.1244662826.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Vector (direction) or Scalar (amount/field strength). Obvious vector is included in compass function. Question is can sense field strength. <quote who="Chad Smith"> > Honestly, I have no idea what you just said. So I'll just quote whatever > I > find on the compass feature. Google is your friend. > > It has a magnetometer, which works with a Compass application, third > parties, and it is integrated into the new Google maps app, showing your > orientation with a small semitransparent cone. > > With a built-in digital compass, iPhone 3G S can point the way. Use the > new > Compass app, or watch as it automatically reorients maps to match the > direction you?re facing. > > Compass reliability may be affected by usage conditions such as nearby > magnetic fields. > > http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3g-s/maps-compass.html > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:30 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> >> <quote who="Chad Smith"> >> >> > and a built-in compass (er, um, magnetometer). >> >> Is it just vectot or do they scalar functions as well >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 15:51:57 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 15:52:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101251y4ffe8059y1f2441917ea7e73f@mail.gmail.com> I hate iTunes. iTunes is precisely why there is no music on my iPod. It's not bad as a media player. The problem is the syncing, DRM, backup garbage. Why can't my iPod Touch show up on my computer as an external hard drive? My AntiPod Nano (that's why I call my cheap Asian made knock-off media player) does. My USB stick mp3 player does. Heck, my PSP does, (or more precisely, as a card reader to the Media Stick Pro). I don't need some convulted draconian DRM hungry special interface to "sync" anything. Syncing is pointless. Give me simple drag and drop file transfer. That's all I need. Again, no problems with it as a media player per se. But as a file transfer system its horrible. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com>wrote: > I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of > different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well as > iTunes feature/usability wise. > And as far as apple style reliability, I have a PowerBook G4 that's my > backup machine that is still running strong after 6 years, still usable w= ith > most modern apps too, and never been in the shop. I also have a 24" iMac > that has never had any problems other than a bad hard drive(which I repla= ced > myself), which is definitely not an apple problem as it is the same WD ha= rd > drive found in any average PC. From what I can tell apple actually makes > it's products better than the average manufacturer. Every now and then y= ou > get "lemons" but from what I can tell it's less frequently than most. > > Obviously there are some things that Apple could do better, such as > skipping DRM, and making the iPhone/iPod more customizable, but they're > still the best thing out there so far. And you can't deny that they have > totally changed the way the world looks at both phones and personal media > players. > > Not that I'm an apple fanboy or anything ;) > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> At least Apple Care and the Apple Store folks make taking in your >>> hardware for service a relatively pleasant experience, since it >>> happens so often. >>> >> >> Like a proctologist who's generous with the lube. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/a5e4c572/a= ttachment.htm From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 16:01:14 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:01:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906101301n1d75b760wb3f1e7b129ffc4b6@mail.gmail.com> I would merely dislike iTunes, rather than despise it, if not for its insistence that I also install other software. I've unchecked countless boxes, and I still have to stay on my toes to keep from installing software which I distinctly remember never having given any inkling of an impression that I ever wanted on my system. I lose no respect for anyone that enjoys iTunes, but I am firmly opposed to creating software that acts like a virus. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ryan Harrell<ryan@ryanfreelance.com> wrote: > I never understood why people don't like iTunes. ?I've used a lot of > different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well as > iTunes feature/usability wise. From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 16:03:29 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:03:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Harrell wrote: > I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of > different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well > as iTunes feature/usability wise. Dunno, what little experience I've had with it, it had the same problem every other one does. It's bloated, it makes connections to places and doesn't tell me, it supports DRM, and I don't need all that crap. I organize my music alphabetically by artist (directory) with albums being subdirectories under the artist. I don't need anything to manage my music, I need something that can create/edit/play playlists, that's it. > And as far as apple style reliability, I have a PowerBook G4 that's my > backup machine that is still running strong after 6 years, still usable > with most modern apps too, and never been in the shop. I also have a > 24" iMac that has never had any problems other than a bad hard > drive(which I replaced myself), which is definitely not an apple problem > as it is the same WD hard drive found in any average PC. From what I > can tell apple actually makes it's products better than the average > manufacturer. Every now and then you get "lemons" but from what I can > tell it's less frequently than most. I'm guessing because of the high-end target of Apple that they use better components than what you will find in Dell and HP consumer lines. Some of the MLBs found in those are total pieces of garbage, made by the cheapest plant TW or KR can supply.... I've got monitors and components and systems that are rapidly approaching the decade mark that still function, that doesn't mean I don't hold my breath every time I attempt to power them on. And I don't use them for anything important. > Obviously there are some things that Apple could do better, such as > skipping DRM, and making the iPhone/iPod more customizable, but they're > still the best thing out there so far. And you can't deny that they > have totally changed the way the world looks at both phones and personal > media players. I mean, I just don't get it. An ipod is a music player, it has a cute little dial thingie. I've had several music players that are not ipods, and I never missed the little dial. I've even got smaller ones than ipods. Some of the world changed their view, I still think they are overly expensive for what they are. As to phones, meh, most of the world sees it as a toy. The one that comes Open and doesn't require jail breaking, that comes with an open SDK/API will be the cool one. It's not big enough to browse on, texting is... well, that's a whole nother discussion. I was getting email on a phone many years prior to apple bringing anything to the table. Dunno, they just don't impress me enough to drop the money for things I'm not going to ever use. I think the netbook is a good compromise on size and functionality. Things that apple wants me to do on my phone, and that I'm never, ever going to try and fumble my fat fingers on, I will on a keyboard if it's big enough for said fat fingers :) - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkowEY8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2QGeACcD6Ox/k8ccz3RkuMOUqguZcY/ CUwAoJIrd+LeE8Z9EHuQ8qWnDAIAznWQ =hpk6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 10 16:17:45 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:18:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906101301n1d75b760wb3f1e7b129ffc4b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906101301n1d75b760wb3f1e7b129ffc4b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906101317r7221be00o54b1beacebd1ce0e@mail.gmail.com> Hmmm I guess you're using the PC version. I forgot that it did that. Heh, yeah that is kind of smarmy, I'll give you that. Mac version installs as part of iLife, or quicktime, but no other software, so I totally missed that. I really hate it when companies bundle like that. It's really annoying! On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Matt Knox <jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > I would merely dislike iTunes, rather than despise it, if not for its > insistence that I also install other software. I've unchecked > countless boxes, and I still have to stay on my toes to keep from > installing software which I distinctly remember never having given any > inkling of an impression that I ever wanted on my system. I lose no > respect for anyone that enjoys iTunes, but I am firmly opposed to > creating software that acts like a virus. > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Ryan Harrell<ryan@ryanfreelance.com> > wrote: > > I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of > > different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well = as > > iTunes feature/usability wise. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/01ad2f66/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 16:29:07 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:29:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <!-- not a fanboy - the only iPod I've ever owned is my current iPod Touch 1G, which, as previously stated, I do not use as a media player --> The reason the iPod "changed the world" is because of its popularity, pure and simple. Cute little dial thingy had little to do with it. (Clickwheel is faster to type, btw.) Apple was not the first, nor was it really the best, to come out with an mp3 player - it was just the best at marketing it, and - through the iTunes Music Store (and, thus, the draconian iTunes lock-in) - made it very profitable. They reached a saturation point and basically genericized their name so that any mp3 player / PMP / media device became an "ipod". By getting an iPod into so many hands, they made it possible for other companies to get media players into other hands. They basically created a market for mp3 players - much like Sony once created a market for pocket-sized radios via the WalkMan - or the way Nintendo created a market for handheld game systems with the Game Boy. It's not about being first, or even being the best (the Game Gear offered a lot that the Game Boy never did) - it's about being the most popular. Look at the whole VHS vs. BetaMax thing - from everything I've read on it, VHS was the inferior format. But it won out. And anytime people talk about VCRs - they mean VHS players/recorders. It could be argued there would be no {INSERT $=3D[favorite media player]} if there were no iPod. Simply because before the iPod, MP3 players were geek toys that were weird looking, hard to use, and heavy. As far as the iPhone - it made smartphones cool and accessible to the general non-business / non-geek public. It popularized the touchscreen on cell phones, and really is the best touch screen interface there is, with the pinch zooming and flick panning, etc.. And, through the much-maligned App Store, created a straight-to-market revenue stream for Devs. And I think that's where the power of Apple comes into play. Through the iTunes Store. They connect content providers with the buying public in ways that few others have. And the few others that have done so, did so after seeing how Apple did it - and never to the same level. Look at Sony's PlayStation Network, Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace, Club Nintendo, BlackBerry App World, Andriod Market, Zune Marketplace, Amazon Kindle, etc... All building on the digital point-of-sale impulse buy distribution idea that Apple - again, might not have originated - but demonstrated could be hugely successful. I think that is how the iPod changed the world. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > I mean, I just don't get it. An ipod is a music player, it has a cute > little dial thingie. I've had several music players that are not ipods, > and I never missed the little dial. I've even got smaller ones than > ipods. Some of the world changed their view, I still think they are > overly expensive for what they are. As to phones, meh, most of the > world sees it as a toy. The one that comes Open and doesn't require > jail breaking, that comes with an open SDK/API will be the cool one. > It's not big enough to browse on, texting is... well, that's a whole > nother discussion. I was getting email on a phone many years prior to > apple bringing anything to the table. Dunno, they just don't impress me > enough to drop the money for things I'm not going to ever use. I think > the netbook is a good compromise on size and functionality. Things that > apple wants me to do on my phone, and that I'm never, ever going to try > and fumble my fat fingers on, I will on a keyboard if it's big enough > for said fat fingers :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/585d302f/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 10 16:43:10 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:43:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Ryan Harrell wrote: > I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of > different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as well People live in many different "worlds". sometimes I just want something iTunes-ish that I trust to do whatever "magic" is required and it just work when I click on the shiny graphical button. Very little of my world is like this, but I do like it when it all just works. In my other world, I've written my own music manager, jukebox, and random music player, in perl.. just a bunch of shell scripts and perl, but it worked exactly the way I wanted it to for playing background music. Currently, I'm listening to music from Psyradio via Shoutcast, via a Chumby plugged into some PA speakers.. I plugged it all in, it just works and I don't have to think about it. :) Dan's problem is he lives in a world where he wants to control which inodes on the filesystem have which song, because if the file byte order matches his playlist it'll use .05% less battery power and his geek-karma will glow blue.. maybe even green. Dan wants to drink the kool-aid.. he wants to believe.. but he's a single malt hand blended scotch drinker. Living with a "mundane" unlocked "hello kitty" iPhone for a long time will require an iLobotomy, available at the Genius bar for only $299.99 Me? I swap mental modes and have been enjoying my iPhone just exactly as it is. It frees up my head for other things. --Mike-- From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 10 16:50:25 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:50:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906101350j7f777b1fp9a284d974684e8a2@mail.gmail.com> > > It'd also be nice to find a better case for it than I've got. I'd > really like one of those plastic waterproof cigarette cases that are > now being sold in credit card size where the top flips off sideways in > an iPhone size, but no joy so far. I use a case meant for an old Creative Labs MP3 player (the Nomad I think) which allows me to have both a protective covering and a carrying case on my belt. All the cases I've seen so far are not big enough for the phone plus a protective covering. also, this case has a headphone jack hole in the same spot as the iphone's jack, if you turn it right. It's not waterproof, but it works. -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/95407ab8/a= ttachment.htm From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 10 16:56:00 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 10 16:56:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <EDD2241D-CFDC-44A5-AF80-65F2B83BCB3D@hastypudding.com> Exactly. I have to deal with all the gory details of technology at work. When I come home to my mac and stupid iPhone I love the magic that just makes things work. When I first went to mac I kept trying to make it do all kind of things like the way I had the winders machine doing. When I gave into just using apps like mail as is my life was much better Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Ryan Harrell wrote: > >> I never understood why people don't like iTunes. I've used a lot of >> different media players, and I haven't really found any i like as >> well > > People live in many different "worlds". sometimes I just want > something iTunes-ish that I trust to do whatever "magic" is required > and it just work when I click on the shiny graphical button. Very > little of my world is like this, but I do like it when it all just > works. > > In my other world, I've written my own music manager, jukebox, and > random music player, in perl.. just a bunch of shell scripts and > perl, but it worked exactly the way I wanted it to for playing > background music. > > Currently, I'm listening to music from Psyradio via Shoutcast, via a > Chumby plugged into some PA speakers.. I plugged it all in, it just > works > and I don't have to think about it. :) > > Dan's problem is he lives in a world where he wants to control which > inodes on the filesystem have which song, because if the file byte > order matches his playlist it'll use .05% less battery power and his > geek-karma will glow blue.. maybe even green. > > Dan wants to drink the kool-aid.. he wants to believe.. > but he's a single malt hand blended scotch drinker. > > Living with a "mundane" unlocked "hello kitty" iPhone for a long time > will require an iLobotomy, available at the Genius bar for only > $299.99 > > Me? I swap mental modes and have been enjoying my iPhone > just exactly as it is. It frees up my head for other things. > > --Mike-- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From ebwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 16:59:53 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:00:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <EDD2241D-CFDC-44A5-AF80-65F2B83BCB3D@hastypudding.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> <EDD2241D-CFDC-44A5-AF80-65F2B83BCB3D@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906101359x57038dabp449e4f0d9cbd0c8d@mail.gmail.com> > > winders machine doing. When I gave into just using apps like mail as is my > life was much better I, for one, welcome our Cupertino Overlords! Unfortunately, my foray into "just using apps" has wed me even closer to Windows. Prior to going back to school to become uber-GIS expert, I was an all-Linux guy. The greatest irony is that prior to about 1998, GIS was almost entirely done on Unix. Damn you, Jack Dangermond! -Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/7aefb1ac/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 17:10:50 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:10:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chad Smith wrote: > The reason the iPod "changed the world" is because of its popularity, > pure and simple. Cute little dial thingy had little to do with it. > (Clickwheel is faster to type, btw.) Apple was not the first, nor was > it really the best, to come out with an mp3 player - it was just the > best at marketing it, and - through the iTunes Music Store (and, thus, > the draconian iTunes lock-in) - made it very profitable. They reached a > saturation point and basically genericized their name so that any mp3 > player / PMP / media device became an "ipod". /shrug I'm pretty sure the only reason the ipod made any real ground was because of itunes. Without that, it's just like any other media player. That is/was the *only* thing different about it that I could see. Otherwise it was a rip your own music process, which personally I think is better anyway, that way you have control over your format and choose not to use lossy codecs if you prefer. (I do) As far as all MP3 players becoming ipod generically, well, some sheeple may see it that way, others don't. (I don't) > By getting an iPod into so many hands, they made it possible for other > companies to get media players into other hands. They basically created > a market for mp3 players - much like Sony once created a market for > pocket-sized radios via the WalkMan - or the way Nintendo created a > market for handheld game systems with the Game Boy. It's not about > being first, or even being the best (the Game Gear offered a lot that > the Game Boy never did) - it's about being the most popular. Look at > the whole VHS vs. BetaMax thing - from everything I've read on it, VHS > was the inferior format. But it won out. And anytime people talk about > VCRs - they mean VHS players/recorders. > > It could be argued there would be no {INSERT $=[favorite media player]} > if there were no iPod. Simply because before the iPod, MP3 players were > geek toys that were weird looking, hard to use, and heavy. See above. I had players before ipods came out that were smaller, various designs (some I like a lot, some not so much), and I mean, we're still dealing with the same basic principles. Play, Rewind, Fast-Forward, Stop, Pause. They introduced a product that had a convenience factor that helped themselves, and *possibly* boosted sales for other vendors. But I in no way shape form or fashion agree with your argument. Other devices existed prior, and are still being made. Hopefully the downward spiral of our economy will remove some of the value of being perceived as "cool" in the eyes of the sheeple, and functionality can once again regain it's value. > As far as the iPhone - it made smartphones cool and accessible to the > general non-business / non-geek public. It popularized the touchscreen > on cell phones, and really is the best touch screen interface there is, > with the pinch zooming and flick panning, etc.. And, through the > much-maligned App Store, created a straight-to-market revenue stream for > Devs. Meh, more cute toys. I myself will pick a tool better suited for the job than a phone. > > And I think that's where the power of Apple comes into play. Through > the iTunes Store. They connect content providers with the buying public > in ways that few others have. And the few others that have done so, did > so after seeing how Apple did it - and never to the same level. They did pull off a marketing storm, I will give them that. There was nothing original about the concept, nor do I think they particularly did anything impressive to deserve the storm. > Look at Sony's PlayStation Network, Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace, > Club Nintendo, BlackBerry App World, Andriod Market, Zune Marketplace, > Amazon Kindle, etc... All building on the digital point-of-sale > impulse buy distribution idea that Apple - again, might not have > originated - but demonstrated could be hugely successful. > > I think that is how the iPod changed the world. I think it just proved that sheeple are sheeple, and sheeple are short-minded. As long as Apple keeps their DRM servers online, this will most likely continue. Personally, I hope they all crash and die a fiery death, and maybe the sheeple will wake up and realize what their hard-earned money bought: worthless digital bits locked to proprietary hardware and/or software. I know you can get stuff w/o DRM now, but you can't *legally* unlock what you already have. So another thought... those on the list that travel abroad, are the ipod/iphone as popular elsewhere as they are here in the states? - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkowIVgACgkQABP1RO+tr2QNVACdFmuPxQ8SWAzFG2c9qx9YSVrm CPYAoKS9JM0E7Ylb7nZiuq4acL7NjBT7 =O6MS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 17:19:41 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:19:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101627250.2468@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A30236D.5030309@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Harrison wrote: > Me? I swap mental modes and have been enjoying my iPhone > just exactly as it is. It frees up my head for other things. That's kinda the way I ended up. My phone is a phone. I check my email on it. If I really have to type out a short reply, I can if it's urgent. If I just absolutely have to look up something, I can. I find the device and form factor are too limiting to do it with any regularity. - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkowI2sACgkQABP1RO+tr2RoEQCdE+GvWG+jWDTYE3J5t62VMPAf 3GYAnAvorgsBfQPTtczHMBulA2qdgJko =3ZGH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 10 17:35:03 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:35:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <20090610091500.5d991f2a@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906101734110.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> > So another thought... those on the list that travel abroad, are the > ipod/iphone as popular elsewhere as they are here in the states? Depends on where.. but yes. It gets noticed. :) From chad78 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 17:42:12 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Wed Jun 10 17:42:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> *rolls eyes* I think the word "Sheeple" should be added to the Godwin's Law principle. See also M$ / MicroShaft / et. al. The iPod was released in October of 2001. The iTunes Store didn't come out until April, 2003. Even the iTunes media player had only been out a few months before the iPod was released. Claiming the success of the iPod is only because of iTunes ignores at least the first 2 or 3 generations of iPods. They didn't even use iTunes to sync until iTunes 4.1 - before that it was through a program called Musicmatch Jukebox. Just because *you* had an mp3 player before 2001 doesn't mean the majority of people did. By virute of being on this list, you would not qualify as the aforementioned "non-geek public". Most non-techies didn't know what an Em Pee Three was prior to 2001. I had the experience a few years ago - mid 2000s mind you - of switching a website from streaming RealAudio (BLEAH!) to mp3s. You would be amazed how many "What is an MP3?!?!" "I Don't Have An Ipod!" emails I got. And, again, that's years after the iPod was sent to market. I can't imagine the reaction without an iPod. (Of course, there would be no "I don't have an iPod" comments - but you know what I mean. You say you want a "real tool" - not a "cute toy". Why the hell is it one or the other? Why does something having style automatically mean it's useless? Did you know a legal, non-jailbroken iPhone can do VNC? I don't really know what you consider "tools" - but that seems to be pretty geek/linux/hardcore type stuff to me. I would love for it to have a higher res screen and a physical keyboard. That doesn't negate the other value it has. I used a Nokia N800 for a long time. No keyboard there, either. Did it have more geek-aware apps? Sure. Was it more of a "tool" than a "toy"? Maybe. But I still enjoy and use my iPod Touch 1G more than I did my N800. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Chad Smith wrote: > > The reason the iPod "changed the world" is because of its popularity, > > pure and simple. Cute little dial thingy had little to do with it. > > (Clickwheel is faster to type, btw.) Apple was not the first, nor was > > it really the best, to come out with an mp3 player - it was just the > > best at marketing it, and - through the iTunes Music Store (and, thus, > > the draconian iTunes lock-in) - made it very profitable. They reached a > > saturation point and basically genericized their name so that any mp3 > > player / PMP / media device became an "ipod". > > /shrug I'm pretty sure the only reason the ipod made any real ground > was because of itunes. Without that, it's just like any other media > player. That is/was the *only* thing different about it that I could > see. Otherwise it was a rip your own music process, which personally I > think is better anyway, that way you have control over your format and > choose not to use lossy codecs if you prefer. (I do) As far as all MP3 > players becoming ipod generically, well, some sheeple may see it that > way, others don't. (I don't) > > > By getting an iPod into so many hands, they made it possible for other > > companies to get media players into other hands. They basically created > > a market for mp3 players - much like Sony once created a market for > > pocket-sized radios via the WalkMan - or the way Nintendo created a > > market for handheld game systems with the Game Boy. It's not about > > being first, or even being the best (the Game Gear offered a lot that > > the Game Boy never did) - it's about being the most popular. Look at > > the whole VHS vs. BetaMax thing - from everything I've read on it, VHS > > was the inferior format. But it won out. And anytime people talk about > > VCRs - they mean VHS players/recorders. > > > > It could be argued there would be no {INSERT $=3D[favorite media player= ]} > > if there were no iPod. Simply because before the iPod, MP3 players were > > geek toys that were weird looking, hard to use, and heavy. > > See above. I had players before ipods came out that were smaller, > various designs (some I like a lot, some not so much), and I mean, we're > still dealing with the same basic principles. Play, Rewind, > Fast-Forward, Stop, Pause. They introduced a product that had a > convenience factor that helped themselves, and *possibly* boosted sales > for other vendors. But I in no way shape form or fashion agree with > your argument. Other devices existed prior, and are still being made. > Hopefully the downward spiral of our economy will remove some of the > value of being perceived as "cool" in the eyes of the sheeple, and > functionality can once again regain it's value. > > > As far as the iPhone - it made smartphones cool and accessible to the > > general non-business / non-geek public. It popularized the touchscreen > > on cell phones, and really is the best touch screen interface there is, > > with the pinch zooming and flick panning, etc.. And, through the > > much-maligned App Store, created a straight-to-market revenue stream for > > Devs. > > Meh, more cute toys. I myself will pick a tool better suited for the > job than a phone. > > > > > And I think that's where the power of Apple comes into play. Through > > the iTunes Store. They connect content providers with the buying public > > in ways that few others have. And the few others that have done so, did > > so after seeing how Apple did it - and never to the same level. > > They did pull off a marketing storm, I will give them that. There was > nothing original about the concept, nor do I think they particularly did > anything impressive to deserve the storm. > > > Look at Sony's PlayStation Network, Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace, > > Club Nintendo, BlackBerry App World, Andriod Market, Zune Marketplace, > > Amazon Kindle, etc... All building on the digital point-of-sale > > impulse buy distribution idea that Apple - again, might not have > > originated - but demonstrated could be hugely successful. > > > > I think that is how the iPod changed the world. > > I think it just proved that sheeple are sheeple, and sheeple are > short-minded. As long as Apple keeps their DRM servers online, this > will most likely continue. Personally, I hope they all crash and die a > fiery death, and maybe the sheeple will wake up and realize what their > hard-earned money bought: worthless digital bits locked to proprietary > hardware and/or software. I know you can get stuff w/o DRM now, but you > can't *legally* unlock what you already have. > > So another thought... those on the list that travel abroad, are the > ipod/iphone as popular elsewhere as they are here in the states? > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkowIVgACgkQABP1RO+tr2QNVACdFmuPxQ8SWAzFG2c9qx9YSVrm > CPYAoKS9JM0E7Ylb7nZiuq4acL7NjBT7 > =3DO6MS > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/56a05082/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Wed Jun 10 18:32:45 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:32:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chad Smith wrote: > *rolls eyes* I think the word "Sheeple" should be added to the Godwin's > Law principle. See also M$ / MicroShaft / et. al. As I think stupid capitalization techniques should also :) > The iPod was released in October of 2001. The iTunes Store didn't come > out until April, 2003. Even the iTunes media player had only been out a > few months before the iPod was released. Claiming the success of the > iPod is only because of iTunes ignores at least the first 2 or 3 > generations of iPods. They didn't even use iTunes to sync until iTunes > 4.1 - before that it was through a program called Musicmatch Jukebox. I actually ignore all generations of them :) I remember Musicmatch, it started out ok, then became more and more bloated with each release. That's on Windows, no idea if it ever ran on Mac. Maybe in your spare time you can dig up the sales statistics. I'm betting the huge growth occurred after itunes. Either way, it matters not, i will never own an ipod. > Just because *you* had an mp3 player before 2001 doesn't mean the > majority of people did. By virute of being on this list, you would not > qualify as the aforementioned "non-geek public". Most non-techies > didn't know what an Em Pee Three was prior to 2001. I had the > experience a few years ago - mid 2000s mind you - of switching a website > from streaming RealAudio (BLEAH!) to mp3s. You would be amazed how many > "What is an MP3?!?!" "I Don't Have An Ipod!" emails I got. And, again, > that's years after the iPod was sent to market. I can't imagine the > reaction without an iPod. (Of course, there would be no "I don't have > an iPod" comments - but you know what I mean. True, I was playing with MP3s when there were two binaries, an encoder and a decoder. It ran on Linux and OS/2 and someone eventually ported it to Windows (DOS, actually). This was prior to 2000, 97-98ish maybe? MP3s in that day were questionable, because of the German company demanding royalties for every MP3 encoded. Coupled with the fact that it quickly became a stock tool in the underground trading realms, and I'm guessing a lot of the device manufacturers saw no need to license the technology, lots of lawsuits and threats in those days. And don't discount the DRM aspect of things. One of the coolest things I've ever seen was the Turtle Beach Audiotron set-top box. Digital (Optical) audio out or standard RCA. Plug into your ethernet or HPNA network, point it to your file share, and it will index, organize, make your own playlists on the device -- it was shut down because they refused to incorporate DRM formats and were forced to stop selling the device. Apple got the backing of Big Media because 'we can lock down the files so they can't be traded'. No one else was willing to do that. Everyone has a price I suppose. > You say you want a "real tool" - not a "cute toy". Why the hell is it > one or the other? Why does something having style automatically mean > it's useless? Did you know a legal, non-jailbroken iPhone can do VNC? > I don't really know what you consider "tools" - but that seems to be > pretty geek/linux/hardcore type stuff to me. > > I would love for it to have a higher res screen and a physical > keyboard. That doesn't negate the other value it has. Hey, if it had those things, it might be a real toy. I don't need VNC. I need ssh, vim and RDP, hell, I might even need something as fancy as an OpenVPN client. I want a real toy because I want something that makes my life easier, not harder. Trying to function on a phone size device does not make my life easier. > I used a Nokia N800 for a long time. No keyboard there, either. Did it > have more geek-aware apps? Sure. Was it more of a "tool" than a > "toy"? Maybe. But I still enjoy and use my iPod Touch 1G more than I > did my N800. > Two things and I'm done. The size doesn't work for me. There's not enough screen real estate, and I have to type a lot. Thumb typing is not a substitute and quickly gets old. Secondly, to quote Make, "If you can't open it, you don't own it". That was intended in more than the literal physical opening sense, I'm sure you know. I do not support Apple's business model, and will not financially contribute to it by paying for any of their hardware. Kinda like I personally avoid the MS tax by building my own machines, or buy servers that come w/o an OS. I will not change the corporate business world, but I sleep well at night because I remain true to my own principles. - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkowNIwACgkQABP1RO+tr2QkBgCgodTZWCihRydkaFCw+QGX6jSf rykAn32hZIzQt8seNDxom2rf4gXjFdUd =B7dm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Wed Jun 10 18:34:55 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Wed Jun 10 18:35:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906101534w486deadegaf6dec1c176977bb@mail.gmail.com> I think the real genius of the iPod was it's usability, I've used other players from many different generations, and there are very few that function as smoothly and as intuitively as Apple. The whole product design is what has always sold them. Of course apple's secondary genius is marketing, without which all of the product design in the world will fail you. It has been that way with the majority of Apples products, they make technology not only sexy but easy to use and efficient. Product design is definitely their forte. As nerds there are other players out there that appeal to our need to control, but we have to accept the fact that the average user doesn't want control. :D Thus the success of the iPod, iTunes, (and Windows for that matter). Ha ha that's what we all use linux! Ryan On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > *rolls eyes* I think the word "Sheeple" should be added to the Godwin's > Law principle. See also M$ / MicroShaft / et. al. > > The iPod was released in October of 2001. The iTunes Store didn't come o= ut > until April, 2003. Even the iTunes media player had only been out a few > months before the iPod was released. Claiming the success of the iPod is > only because of iTunes ignores at least the first 2 or 3 generations of > iPods. They didn't even use iTunes to sync until iTunes 4.1 - before that > it was through a program called Musicmatch Jukebox. > > Just because *you* had an mp3 player before 2001 doesn't mean the majority > of people did. By virute of being on this list, you would not qualify as > the aforementioned "non-geek public". Most non-techies didn't know what = an > Em Pee Three was prior to 2001. I had the experience a few years ago - m= id > 2000s mind you - of switching a website from streaming RealAudio (BLEAH!)= to > mp3s. You would be amazed how many "What is an MP3?!?!" "I Don't Have An > Ipod!" emails I got. And, again, that's years after the iPod was sent to > market. I can't imagine the reaction without an iPod. (Of course, there > would be no "I don't have an iPod" comments - but you know what I mean. > > You say you want a "real tool" - not a "cute toy". Why the hell is it one > or the other? Why does something having style automatically mean it's > useless? Did you know a legal, non-jailbroken iPhone can do VNC? I don't > really know what you consider "tools" - but that seems to be pretty > geek/linux/hardcore type stuff to me. > > I would love for it to have a higher res screen and a physical keyboard. > That doesn't negate the other value it has. > > I used a Nokia N800 for a long time. No keyboard there, either. Did it > have more geek-aware apps? Sure. Was it more of a "tool" than a "toy"? > Maybe. But I still enjoy and use my iPod Touch 1G more than I did my N80= 0. > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Dave Brockman <dave@brockmans.com> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Chad Smith wrote: >> > The reason the iPod "changed the world" is because of its popularity, >> > pure and simple. Cute little dial thingy had little to do with it. >> > (Clickwheel is faster to type, btw.) Apple was not the first, nor was >> > it really the best, to come out with an mp3 player - it was just the >> > best at marketing it, and - through the iTunes Music Store (and, thus, >> > the draconian iTunes lock-in) - made it very profitable. They reached= a >> > saturation point and basically genericized their name so that any mp3 >> > player / PMP / media device became an "ipod". >> >> /shrug I'm pretty sure the only reason the ipod made any real ground >> was because of itunes. Without that, it's just like any other media >> player. That is/was the *only* thing different about it that I could >> see. Otherwise it was a rip your own music process, which personally I >> think is better anyway, that way you have control over your format and >> choose not to use lossy codecs if you prefer. (I do) As far as all MP3 >> players becoming ipod generically, well, some sheeple may see it that >> way, others don't. (I don't) >> >> > By getting an iPod into so many hands, they made it possible for other >> > companies to get media players into other hands. They basically creat= ed >> > a market for mp3 players - much like Sony once created a market for >> > pocket-sized radios via the WalkMan - or the way Nintendo created a >> > market for handheld game systems with the Game Boy. It's not about >> > being first, or even being the best (the Game Gear offered a lot that >> > the Game Boy never did) - it's about being the most popular. Look at >> > the whole VHS vs. BetaMax thing - from everything I've read on it, VHS >> > was the inferior format. But it won out. And anytime people talk abo= ut >> > VCRs - they mean VHS players/recorders. >> > >> > It could be argued there would be no {INSERT $=3D[favorite media playe= r]} >> > if there were no iPod. Simply because before the iPod, MP3 players we= re >> > geek toys that were weird looking, hard to use, and heavy. >> >> See above. I had players before ipods came out that were smaller, >> various designs (some I like a lot, some not so much), and I mean, we're >> still dealing with the same basic principles. Play, Rewind, >> Fast-Forward, Stop, Pause. They introduced a product that had a >> convenience factor that helped themselves, and *possibly* boosted sales >> for other vendors. But I in no way shape form or fashion agree with >> your argument. Other devices existed prior, and are still being made. >> Hopefully the downward spiral of our economy will remove some of the >> value of being perceived as "cool" in the eyes of the sheeple, and >> functionality can once again regain it's value. >> >> > As far as the iPhone - it made smartphones cool and accessible to the >> > general non-business / non-geek public. It popularized the touchscreen >> > on cell phones, and really is the best touch screen interface there is, >> > with the pinch zooming and flick panning, etc.. And, through the >> > much-maligned App Store, created a straight-to-market revenue stream f= or >> > Devs. >> >> Meh, more cute toys. I myself will pick a tool better suited for the >> job than a phone. >> >> > >> > And I think that's where the power of Apple comes into play. Through >> > the iTunes Store. They connect content providers with the buying publ= ic >> > in ways that few others have. And the few others that have done so, d= id >> > so after seeing how Apple did it - and never to the same level. >> >> They did pull off a marketing storm, I will give them that. There was >> nothing original about the concept, nor do I think they particularly did >> anything impressive to deserve the storm. >> >> > Look at Sony's PlayStation Network, Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace, >> > Club Nintendo, BlackBerry App World, Andriod Market, Zune Marketplace, >> > Amazon Kindle, etc... All building on the digital point-of-sale >> > impulse buy distribution idea that Apple - again, might not have >> > originated - but demonstrated could be hugely successful. >> > >> > I think that is how the iPod changed the world. >> >> I think it just proved that sheeple are sheeple, and sheeple are >> short-minded. As long as Apple keeps their DRM servers online, this >> will most likely continue. Personally, I hope they all crash and die a >> fiery death, and maybe the sheeple will wake up and realize what their >> hard-earned money bought: worthless digital bits locked to proprietary >> hardware and/or software. I know you can get stuff w/o DRM now, but you >> can't *legally* unlock what you already have. >> >> So another thought... those on the list that travel abroad, are the >> ipod/iphone as popular elsewhere as they are here in the states? >> >> - -Dave >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkowIVgACgkQABP1RO+tr2QNVACdFmuPxQ8SWAzFG2c9qx9YSVrm >> CPYAoKS9JM0E7Ylb7nZiuq4acL7NjBT7 >> =3DO6MS >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/2b1bd2ca/a= ttachment.htm From jnylen at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 21:17:41 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Wed Jun 10 21:17:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Comshaft blocking outside DNS? In-Reply-To: <54770.66.129.4.209.1244639348.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54770.66.129.4.209.1244639348.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> 4.2.2.2 for life! Comcast's servers are pretty slow. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:09 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > from /. > > "An interesting (and profane) writeup of one frustrated user's discovery > that Comcast is actually intercepting DNS requests bound for non-Comcast > DNS servers and redirecting them to their own servers. I had obviously > heard of the DNS hijacking for nonexistent domains, but I had no idea > they'd actually prevent people from directly contacting their own DNS > servers." If true, this is a pretty serious escalation in the Net > Neutrality wars. Someone using Comcast, please replicate the simple > experiment spelled out in the article and confirm or deny the truth of it. > Also, it would be useful if someone using Comcast ran the ICSI Netalyzr > and posted the resulting permalink in the comments. > > http://comcastisfuckingwithyourport53traffic.wordpress.com/ > > PS he sez it has stopped for now. > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090610/d028b77e/a= ttachment-0001.htm From shadowhunter at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 21:31:13 2009 From: shadowhunter at gmail.com (Alex Smith (K4RNT)) Date: Wed Jun 10 21:31:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Comshaft blocking outside DNS? In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> References: <54770.66.129.4.209.1244639348.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a806910906101831te3be885s7de3664567992ff3@mail.gmail.com> I use MTSU's DNS server primarily, but I still occasionally revert to Comcast's... 161.45.193.4 - endeavour.network.mtsu.edu On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:17 PM, James Nylen<jnylen@gmail.com> wrote: > 4.2.2.2 for life!? Comcast's servers are pretty slow. -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA From jnylen at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 21:31:39 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Wed Jun 10 21:32:03 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906100607i5f5501d0l9557857e9ecadf2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <d06a284e0906100607i5f5501d0l9557857e9ecadf2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205a4c310906101831q76562661ifbcd13e58f0fe71c@mail.gmail.com> I think there are all different levels of computer geeks. For example, there are those who use Windows, don't know anything (or not much) about Linux, and refer to (Windows|Internet) Explorer as \1 Exploder. Then there are Linux users, and those who write in regular expressions from time to time. I think the first group is probably closer to Wired's intended audience. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com>wrote: > I admit I'm a cult firefly adict. It's probably one of the best shows ev= er > made. :D But I agree, distro wars are probably one of the biggest geek > arguments out there, and that wasn't mentioned either. Of course #10 was > the one that made me twitch ;) > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/06/top-10-ways-to-provoke-a-geek-argu= ment/ >>> >> >> Just an example of why I no longer read "Wired" aka "Tired". >> >> No: Emacs or Vi? >> >> or: Linux vs BSD? >> >> I had to wikipedia "Joss Whedon" to see who he is. >> Yea.. ok, Firefly is kewl.. but it's Gunsmoke with Spaceships. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably made the Eagles a mite twitchy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkoxB4sACgkQXzanDlV0VY5zZACdFAtGApAAY6EUagdWyZh6zNIa uPIAoOdzUhNnDb96ggNF2zscLfs26HZu =1jux -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at noctum.net Thu Jun 11 09:40:51 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Thu Jun 11 09:41:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906100919x27bb05f1l67f2bce01a524d48@mail.gmail.com> <20090610094644.35372d3e@danhplaptop> <6f2c36da0906101016g2c20d142qcd81e669fbdcedf5@mail.gmail.com> <20090610114730.6c7ffa6d@danhplaptop> <18bb6ba00906101149p4aada532qafd3d7d95d6898ef@mail.gmail.com> <d06a284e0906101239p33ff3363od9958cfb0975808d@mail.gmail.com> <4A301191.2050109@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101329h118604b9yeac0a3188aa0a269@mail.gmail.com> <4A30215A.7010209@brockmans.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <93B86C2D-E22F-4F28-A83E-16B9862055B1@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 10, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Dave Brockman wrote: > Either way, it matters not, i will never own an > ipod. Mental note - buy Dave iPod for birthday next year, take picture, and post to list. /whistles innocently -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkoxCWMACgkQXzanDlV0VY7Q9wCePy+ysNDjEJk1xza+ZVd4XkYH OZIAoK2o8bQg49iSP+so5N19rxvP3vYp =WwbM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at noctum.net Thu Jun 11 09:42:24 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Thu Jun 11 09:42:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Comshaft blocking outside DNS? In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> References: <54770.66.129.4.209.1244639348.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6716C1C0-75F2-437A-B35C-6AACA0D22444@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:17 PM, James Nylen wrote: > 4.2.2.2 for life! Comcast's servers are pretty slow. 4.2.2.2 had issues... last month I believe it was. Several of our clients were using it, and it's amazing what breaks when DNS gets FUBAR. Ever since, I've had to stop relying on it, much safer to just run my own resolver. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEUEARECAAYFAkoxCcAACgkQXzanDlV0VY6jlQCg3BZ5afP0itAqkmA6h1rYjo97 WlwAliK1A4tfloYxYk/azsvSNJ27Kq8= =LsO9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 10:23:51 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 10:24:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> They surely could have made the trip a lot shorter - carry the fellowship to the gates or Mordor, or as close as they are "comfortable". - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ 2009/6/11 Kenneth Ratliff <lists@noctum.net> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > =93Why couldn=92t the eagle fly Frodo to his destination instead of only >> flying him home???=94 [I've asked this one myself. It's a perfectly lo= gical >> question.] >> > > Probably had something to do with the Nazgul flying air cover over Mordor. > Probably made the Eagles a mite twitchy > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoxB4sACgkQXzanDlV0VY5zZACdFAtGApAAY6EUagdWyZh6zNIa > uPIAoOdzUhNnDb96ggNF2zscLfs26HZu > =3D1jux > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young From dee at pcds.biz Thu Jun 11 11:15:01 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Thu Jun 11 11:15:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906111115.01912.dee@pcds.biz> On Thursday 11 June 2009 10:23:51 am Chad Smith wrote: > They surely could have made the trip a lot shorter - carry the fellowship > to the gates or Mordor, or as close as they are "comfortable". I'm sure the eagles would attract a bit of attention, no matter where they went. The whole point was stealth -- Frodo and Sam had to reach Mt. Doom without Sauron being aware of it. Jeez -- I can't believe I got suckering into responding to this. BTW, I won the Rubble award at this year's DSC. I can't take credit alone though, Mike did his part year before last. From lists at masterforge.com Thu Jun 11 11:25:42 2009 From: lists at masterforge.com (Jason Brown) Date: Thu Jun 11 11:25:37 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A3121F6.8010903@masterforge.com> Male 9 pin? A female 9 pin would likely be token ring. rwyoung wrote: > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > somewhere. > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > > > From deawar at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:14:11 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:14:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906110914m1e54065bl14c5850078ee73c7@mail.gmail.com> Any model numbers on the motherboard? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:15 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > somewhere. > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > > > -- > R. W. Young > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/2923b2f6/a= ttachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Thu Jun 11 12:16:16 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:16:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <20090611091616.765861e7@danhplaptop> On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:15:20 -0400 (EDT) "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. Wasn't there an external ethernet transceiver scheme that used this sort of connector? You plugged in an additional box that either gave you a Coax or 10baseT jack? I think Apple bought into this scheme for a while, you might try folks who collect old Apple hardware. Dan From lists at masterforge.com Thu Jun 11 12:18:58 2009 From: lists at masterforge.com (Jason Brown) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:18:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <20090611091616.765861e7@danhplaptop> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <20090611091616.765861e7@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A312E72.70409@masterforge.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/d5a18f42/attachment.htm From deawar at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:20:07 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:20:36 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. PCIe video with1Gb of ram Gigibit ethernet 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID BlueRay DVD/RW Am I missing anything? Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? Dean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/a3a443fe/a= ttachment.htm From lists at noctum.net Thu Jun 11 12:21:03 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:21:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <C316B444-B009-475C-BF35-D2CCA2B6D079@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Chad Smith wrote: > They surely could have made the trip a lot shorter - carry the > fellowship to the gates or Mordor, or as close as they are > "comfortable". Well, we know that the Nazgul were on patrol, as the scene where Frodo, Sam and Gollum have to take cover in the Dead Marshes from the Nazgul fly over, so flying anywhere close to Mordor is probably not a good idea, if you get spotted, you make Sauron wary, and you don't want to draw the Eye of Mordor. Flying to Minas Tirith is out because Denethor done lost his mind. And then there's Saruman, who apparently can have great effect on the weather all the way from Isengard, hence the forced path through Moria. Having Saruman drop a hurricane on the Eagle flight would have kind of sucked, or maybe sending enough of those annoying little birds after the Eagles in a killer bee type attack. The entire point of the Fellowship was to keep Sauron from having a clue where the Ring actually was. Misdirection was their friend. So I think the Eagles would have made for a wonderful distraction, but as far as a primary mode of transport, was far too risky Then there's the simple fact that everyone assumes the Eagles were just sitting around waiting for folks to ferry to and fro. It's entirely possible they may have been busy fighting their own battles -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkoxLvMACgkQXzanDlV0VY5DTgCfROX3tXXMNf7+6dcm/7Xk9W5j lcoAnRwTpTETD61gp4FZZnZq2ZExAtx6 =6ME2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ebwolf at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:22:46 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:23:11 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <4A312E72.70409@masterforge.com> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <20090611091616.765861e7@danhplaptop> <4A312E72.70409@masterforge.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906110922j204a5f73kbe3a2f1f80b13afd@mail.gmail.com> A quick Google landed me on this page: http://pinouts.ru/pin_Net.shtml <http://pinouts.ru/pin_Net.shtml>Pretty comprehensive. And Jason's right - the connector Dan is thinking of is AUI - 15-pin, usually female on the back of the box. A quick search on that pinouts.ru confirmed my suspicion that there are no standard 9-pin ethernet connections. 9-pin is usually some variation of RS-232 - which, on older devices, might have a label or icon for "network" because that was how the device spoke to other devices. I'm betting you have some kind of ASCII terminal in your hands. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jason Brown <lists@masterforge.com> wrote: > That was called AUI, it used a 15 pin female connector on the client > device. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_Unit_Interface > > > > Dan Lyke wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:15:20 -0400 (EDT) > "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > > > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > > > Wasn't there an external ethernet transceiver scheme that used this > sort of connector? You plugged in an additional box that either gave > you a Coax or 10baseT jack? > > I think Apple bought into this scheme for a while, you might try folks > who collect old Apple hardware. > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing listChugalug@chugalug.orghttp://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mai= lman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/80bf2e12/a= ttachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 12:23:20 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:23:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <200906111223.20542.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 10 June 2009, Dave Brockman wrote: [snip] > One of the coolest things I've ever > seen was the Turtle Beach Audiotron set-top box. Digital (Optical) > audio out or standard RCA. Plug into your ethernet or HPNA network, > point it to your file share, and it will index, organize, make your own > playlists on the device -- it was shut down because they refused to > incorporate DRM formats and were forced to stop selling the device. > Apple got the backing of Big Media because 'we can lock down the files > so they can't be traded'. No one else was willing to do that. Everyone > has a price I suppose. > Heh... If anyone's interested, there are three available on Amazon.com (used, of course) for about $84-90. :-) There's one on eBay starting at $89.99 with a "buy it now" price of $125 as well. :-) From ghasty at hastypudding.com Thu Jun 11 12:27:37 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:27:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <200906111223.20542.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> <200906111223.20542.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A674814-077F-4E95-99F3-5E1A65112F3F@hastypudding.com> Or, I use my Tivo's for the same thing as well as streaming video from my servers using pyTivo (http://pytivo.armooo.net/) On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:23 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Wednesday 10 June 2009, Dave Brockman wrote: > [snip] >> One of the coolest things I've ever >> seen was the Turtle Beach Audiotron set-top box. Digital (Optical) >> audio out or standard RCA. Plug into your ethernet or HPNA network, >> point it to your file share, and it will index, organize, make your >> own >> playlists on the device -- it was shut down because they refused to >> incorporate DRM formats and were forced to stop selling the device. >> Apple got the backing of Big Media because 'we can lock down the >> files >> so they can't be traded'. No one else was willing to do that. >> Everyone >> has a price I suppose. >> > Heh... If anyone's interested, there are three available on Amazon.com > (used, of course) for about $84-90. :-) There's one on eBay starting > at > $89.99 with a "buy it now" price of $125 as well. :-) > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/784d75e8/attachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Thu Jun 11 12:42:43 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:42:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A674814-077F-4E95-99F3-5E1A65112F3F@hastypudding.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> <200906111223.20542.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <4A674814-077F-4E95-99F3-5E1A65112F3F@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <4A313403.2070301@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gary Hasty wrote: > Or, I use my Tivo's for the same thing as well as streaming video from > my servers using pyTivo (http://pytivo.armooo.net/) Oh nice! Does that interface with a regular virgin series 2? Wife refuses to let me open it :) I actually put my Audiotron in my bar, so it has a radio, a cd changer, and then the big selection :) Like I said, one of the coolest things is that you can make a playlist from artist, album, genre, etc right from the set top (or remote). Or Select other playlists you have created. - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoxNAEACgkQABP1RO+tr2T/wgCcCSIhdi4hkr8DasjHZnTzoz87 pisAoLXAExpAtwtITMs7+FcHm1xhWcox =CE+J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 12:48:32 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Thu Jun 11 12:48:56 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> I don't have any experience with them beyond articles, but have you considered a solid state OS drive? On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dean Warren<deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. > Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. > PCIe video with1Gb of ram > Gigibit ethernet > 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID > BlueRay DVD/RW > > Am I missing anything? > Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? > > Dean > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > From ghasty at hastypudding.com Thu Jun 11 13:00:55 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:01:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <4A313403.2070301@brockmans.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <6f2c36da0906101442j6885557sea1e22e9c3eef8c9@mail.gmail.com> <4A30348D.9020204@brockmans.com> <200906111223.20542.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <4A674814-077F-4E95-99F3-5E1A65112F3F@hastypudding.com> <4A313403.2070301@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <33E2DF02-3AC5-4AF3-9E49-1B4C42B3F0BC@hastypudding.com> Works fine on a non-hacked series 2 and other tools will also interact with iTunes for your playlist On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Dave Brockman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Gary Hasty wrote: >> Or, I use my Tivo's for the same thing as well as streaming video >> from >> my servers using pyTivo (http://pytivo.armooo.net/) > > Oh nice! Does that interface with a regular virgin series 2? Wife > refuses to let me open it :) I actually put my Audiotron in my bar, > so > it has a radio, a cd changer, and then the big selection :) > > Like I said, one of the coolest things is that you can make a playlist > from artist, album, genre, etc right from the set top (or remote). Or > Select other playlists you have created. > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoxNAEACgkQABP1RO+tr2T/wgCcCSIhdi4hkr8DasjHZnTzoz87 > pisAoLXAExpAtwtITMs7+FcHm1xhWcox > =CE+J > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> Here's a kit with all of that for $399 - not sure of it's Linux compatibility, though. http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1951.asp?cm_sp=3DRight%20Nav-_-email-_-= wem1951 - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Matt Knox <jewstylekungfu@gmail.com>wrote: > I don't have any experience with them beyond articles, but have you > considered a solid state OS drive? > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dean Warren<deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > > I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. > > Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. > > PCIe video with1Gb of ram > > Gigibit ethernet > > 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID > > BlueRay DVD/RW > > > > Am I missing anything? > > Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? > > > > Dean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/5e51fd78/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:37:02 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:37:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <C316B444-B009-475C-BF35-D2CCA2B6D079@noctum.net> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> <C316B444-B009-475C-BF35-D2CCA2B6D079@noctum.net> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111037o133f8425wfbf191f0790529c4@mail.gmail.com> Dude - those eagles totally held their own against the Nazgul in the final battle. And you only need one of them to get to the Mountain. You get 10 - 20 eagles, put Frodo, Sam, and the Ring on one - put that one in the middle, pack the other eagles in formation around it, with Elf Archers and the Fellowship on the backs of the other ones. And make a bee line to the mountain. Hit hard, strong, and fast and get to the mountain before the Eye or anyone else knows what's going on. Many, many, many less people would have died that way - and the 3 - 6 hour movies would have only been one 85 minute action flick. Heck - who knows how many eagles there are. Get four or five hundred of them, break them into groups of 20, each with a hobbit in the middle, spread the groups out over 100 miles, with 5 - 10 groups each headed to a different place. There's your misdirection. How many Nazgul were there? 9, right? You put 25 teams of eagles together, there's a far better than 50/50 chance they won't even be able to attack the right team. And before someone brings up that there were only 4 hobbits, so each group couldn't have a hobbit - from a distance, dwarfs and hobbits look a lot alike - plus you could use small human children - or just kidnap a bunch of hobbits from the shire - according to the last part of the books, they don't tend to resist slavery that well - at least not at first. And, yeah, I'm evil, putting small children at risk. How many kids do you think died in the battle at Helm's Deep? How many in Rohan? Do you really think they were all safe? And how many adult lives are worth one child's? 50? 100? 1000? Because a freak ton more than that died in those epic battles while Frodo and Sam were skipping through the grass together. Or - just use dummies, or short people, or just send out the groups of eagles without hobbits - the misdirection would still work. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Kenneth Ratliff <lists@noctum.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Chad Smith wrote: > > They surely could have made the trip a lot shorter - carry the fellowship >> to the gates or Mordor, or as close as they are "comfortable". >> > > Well, we know that the Nazgul were on patrol, as the scene where Frodo, S= am > and Gollum have to take cover in the Dead Marshes from the Nazgul fly ove= r, > so flying anywhere close to Mordor is probably not a good idea, if you get > spotted, you make Sauron wary, and you don't want to draw the Eye of Mord= or. > > Flying to Minas Tirith is out because Denethor done lost his mind. > > And then there's Saruman, who apparently can have great effect on the > weather all the way from Isengard, hence the forced path through Moria. > Having Saruman drop a hurricane on the Eagle flight would have kind of > sucked, or maybe sending enough of those annoying little birds after the > Eagles in a killer bee type attack. > > The entire point of the Fellowship was to keep Sauron from having a clue > where the Ring actually was. Misdirection was their friend. So I think the > Eagles would have made for a wonderful distraction, but as far as a prima= ry > mode of transport, was far too risky > > Then there's the simple fact that everyone assumes the Eagles were just > sitting around waiting for folks to ferry to and fro. It's entirely possi= ble > they may have been busy fighting their own battles > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoxLvMACgkQXzanDlV0VY5DTgCfROX3tXXMNf7+6dcm/7Xk9W5j > lcoAnRwTpTETD61gp4FZZnZq2ZExAtx6 > =3D6ME2 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/2299b377/a= ttachment.htm From leprkhn at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 13:42:52 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) Date: Thu Jun 11 13:43:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> bXkgaG9tZSBib3ggaXM6CgpwaGVub20gOTUwMCAod2l0aCB0bGQgZXJyYXR1bSBub3QgcGF0Y2hl ZCkgLSB0aGUgc2xvd2VzdCBvZiB0aGUgZmlyc3QKcGhlbm9tcy4gZ2V0IG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgbmV3 IGFtMydzOyBwcmVmZXJhYmx5IGEgYmxhY2sgZWRpdGlvbiBpZiB5b3UncmUKbG9va2luZyB0byBw dXNoIGl0IGEgbGl0dGxlIGhhcmRlciB0aGFuIHN0b2NrIChhbmQgd2h5IHdvdWxkbid0IHlvdT8p CgphdGkgNDg1MCAtIHJ1bnMgaG90IGJ1dCB3ZWxsLiBpIGFtIHZlcnkgaGFwcHkgd2l0aCB0aGlz IHZpZGVvIGNhcmQuIGRvZXMKZXZlcnl0aGluZyB1YnVudHUgd291bGQgZXZlciBuZWVkIGl0IHRv IGRvLCBhbmQgd2luZGVycyAoZ2FtZXMpIGxvdmVzIGl0LgpwbGF5ZWQgUHJvdG90eXBlIGxhc3Qg bmlnaHQgb24gZnVsbCBzZXR0aW5ncyB3aXRob3V0IGEgamVyay4KCkdpZ2FieXRlIG1vdGhlcmJv YXJkIHdpdGggYSA3OTB4IGNoaXBzZXQgKDIgeCBwY2llKS4gdGhlIDc5MGZ4IGNoaXBzZXRzIGNv bWUKd2l0aCA0IHBjaWUgKGJ1dCB3aHkgd291bGQgeW91IG5lZWQgNCB2aWRlbyBjYXJkcyB1bmxl c3MgeW91J3JlIHVzaW5nIHRoZW0KYXMgY29wcm9jZXNzb3JzIHdpdGggQVRJIFN0cmVhbT8pLiBp IGhlYXIgdGhlIG5ldyA3OTBneCBjaGlwc2V0cyBhcmUgbmljZQp0b28uCmFueSBnb29kIG1vdGhl cmJvYXJkIHdpbGwgaGFuZGxlIGFsbCBvZiB5b3VyIGRpc2svcmFpZCBuZWVkcyAocGVyc29uYWwK b3BpbmlvbjogaWYgeW91J3JlIHJlYWR5IHRvIGRyb3AgdGhlIGNhc2ggZm9yIDV4MVQgSERzLCB3 aHkgbm90IGdldCA2IGFuZApwdXQgeW91ciBPUyBvbiBhIHJhaWQwPyBPUiwgYmV0dGVyIHlldCwg d2h5IG5vdCBnZXQgYSBzbmF6enkgbmV3IHBjaWUgc3NkPyAtCnNvcnJ5LCBpbSBnZXR0aW5nIGNh cnJpZWQgYXdheS4pCgppIGxvdmUgbXkgYW1kIHN5c3RlbXMgYW5kIHRoYXQncyBteSAyY2VudHMg YWJvdXQgeW91ciBxdWVzdGlvbi4KdGhhdCBiZWluZyBzYWlkLCBpdCBsb29rcyBsaWtlIHlvdSdy ZSBsb29raW5nIHRvIHNwZW5kIGEgZ29vZCBiaXQgb2YgbW9uZXk7CnNvLCBpZiB0aGF0J3MgdGhl IGNhc2UsIHdoeSBub3QgbG9vayBhdCB0aGUgbmV3IGludGVscz8gaSd2ZSBuZXZlciB0b3VjaGVk Cm9uZSwgYnV0IHRoZSBiZW5jaG1hcmtzIGFsbCBwdXQgdGhlbSAodGhlIG5ldyBpN3MpIGhlYWQg YW5kIHNob3VsZGVycyBhYm92ZQp0aGUgbmVhcmVzdCBjb21wZXRpdGlvbi4KCgpPbiBUaHUsIEp1 biAxMSwgMjAwOSBhdCAxMToyMCBBTSwgRGVhbiBXYXJyZW4gPGRlYXdhckBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdy b3RlOgoKPiBJIHdhbnQgdG8gYnVpbGQgYSBxdWFkIGNvcmUgQU1EIGRlc2t0b3AuCj4gV291bGQg bGlrZSB0byBoYXZlIG1pbnVtdW0gb2YgMiBnYiBvZiByYW0gcGVyIGNvcmUuCj4gUENJZSB2aWRl byB3aXRoMUdiIG9mIHJhbQo+IEdpZ2liaXQgZXRoZXJuZXQKPiA1IDEgdGVyYWJ5dGUgU0FUQSAx IGZvciBPUyBhbmQgNCBmb3IgUkFJRAo+IEJsdWVSYXkgRFZEL1JXCj4KPiBBbSBJIG1pc3Npbmcg YW55dGhpbmc/Cj4gQW55b25lIGhhdmUgcG9zaXRpdmUgb3IgbmVnYXRpdmUgZXhwZXJpZW5jZXMg dGhleSBsaWtlIHRvIHNoYXJlPwo+Cj4gRGVhbgo+Cj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaHVnYWx1ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBDaHVnYWx1 Z0BjaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0 aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo+Cj4KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t CkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNobWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMu bmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9jaHVnYWx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDYxMS80YzU2MWQxYy9hdHRh Y2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:10:23 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:10:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111110v6cb9e265h77ede371e2af4ef8@mail.gmail.com> OOPS. Sorry - it's not quad core. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's a kit with all of that for $399 - not sure of it's Linux > compatibility, though. > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1951.asp?cm_sp=3DRight%20Nav-_-email-= _-wem1951 > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Matt Knox <jewstylekungfu@gmail.com>wro= te: > >> I don't have any experience with them beyond articles, but have you >> considered a solid state OS drive? >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dean Warren<deawar@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. >> > Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. >> > PCIe video with1Gb of ram >> > Gigibit ethernet >> > 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID >> > BlueRay DVD/RW >> > >> > Am I missing anything? >> > Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? >> > >> > Dean >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/0360ffae/a= ttachment.htm From chevyiinova at bellsouth.net Thu Jun 11 14:20:20 2009 From: chevyiinova at bellsouth.net (Ed King) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:20:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <061120091820.27707.4A314AE3000EB71E00006C3B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> so... is it for sale? :) If I don't acquire some old hardware soon I might just slump over and die from iBoredom. --- Original message from "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net>: --- > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > somewhere. > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > > > -- > R. W. Young From deawar at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:44:16 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:44:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> I am looking to build a system that will be around for at least 3-5 years but for less than $2500 so for now the SSD's are a little pricey. I had been thinking about a dual CPU mother board for the quads(a total of Eight cores) but again a little cost prohibitive. Thanks for all the feedback you guys. I have always preferred AMD for price/performance even though currently Intel does have the benchmarks. I have had such good luck with AMD stuff I rarely look at Intel. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > my home box is: > > phenom 9500 (with tld erratum not patched) - the slowest of the first > phenoms. get one of the new am3's; preferably a black edition if you're > looking to push it a little harder than stock (and why wouldn't you?) > > ati 4850 - runs hot but well. i am very happy with this video card. does > everything ubuntu would ever need it to do, and winders (games) loves it. > played Prototype last night on full settings without a jerk. > > Gigabyte motherboard with a 790x chipset (2 x pcie). the 790fx chipsets > come with 4 pcie (but why would you need 4 video cards unless you're using > them as coprocessors with ATI Stream?). i hear the new 790gx chipsets are > nice too. > any good motherboard will handle all of your disk/raid needs (personal > opinion: if you're ready to drop the cash for 5x1T HDs, why not get 6 and > put your OS on a raid0? OR, better yet, why not get a snazzy new pcie ssd= ? - > sorry, im getting carried away.) > > i love my amd systems and that's my 2cents about your question. > that being said, it looks like you're looking to spend a good bit of mone= y; > so, if that's the case, why not look at the new intels? i've never touched > one, but the benchmarks all put them (the new i7s) head and shoulders abo= ve > the nearest competition. > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. >> Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. >> PCIe video with1Gb of ram >> Gigibit ethernet >> 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID >> BlueRay DVD/RW >> >> Am I missing anything? >> Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? >> >> Dean >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/751a75b4/a= ttachment.htm From ebwolf at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 14:46:48 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:46:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906111146l2c2bb2f6pce17981a6bb2118@mail.gmail.com> What are you wanting it to do for the 3-5 years? That's an eon in computer time (not quite an epoch though). -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > I am looking to build a system that will be around for at least 3-5 years > but for less than $2500 so for now the SSD's are a little pricey. I had b= een > thinking about a dual CPU mother board for the quads(a total of Eight cor= es) > but again a little cost prohibitive. Thanks for all the feedback you guys= . I > have always preferred AMD for price/performance even though currently Int= el > does have the benchmarks. I have had such good luck with AMD stuff I rare= ly > look at Intel. > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> my home box is: >> >> phenom 9500 (with tld erratum not patched) - the slowest of the first >> phenoms. get one of the new am3's; preferably a black edition if you're >> looking to push it a little harder than stock (and why wouldn't you?) >> >> ati 4850 - runs hot but well. i am very happy with this video card. does >> everything ubuntu would ever need it to do, and winders (games) loves it. >> played Prototype last night on full settings without a jerk. >> >> Gigabyte motherboard with a 790x chipset (2 x pcie). the 790fx chipsets >> come with 4 pcie (but why would you need 4 video cards unless you're usi= ng >> them as coprocessors with ATI Stream?). i hear the new 790gx chipsets are >> nice too. >> any good motherboard will handle all of your disk/raid needs (personal >> opinion: if you're ready to drop the cash for 5x1T HDs, why not get 6 and >> put your OS on a raid0? OR, better yet, why not get a snazzy new pcie ss= d? - >> sorry, im getting carried away.) >> >> i love my amd systems and that's my 2cents about your question. >> that being said, it looks like you're looking to spend a good bit of >> money; so, if that's the case, why not look at the new intels? i've never >> touched one, but the benchmarks all put them (the new i7s) head and >> shoulders above the nearest competition. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. >>> Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. >>> PCIe video with1Gb of ram >>> Gigibit ethernet >>> 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID >>> BlueRay DVD/RW >>> >>> Am I missing anything? >>> Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/e3e6057c/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 11 14:56:41 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 11 14:56:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] digital angels was hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <061120091820.27707.4A314AE3000EB71E00006C3B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A01 9C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> References: <061120091820.27707.4A314AE3000EB71E00006C3B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> Message-ID: <62040.66.129.4.209.1244746601.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Ed this thing is a 50mhz 486 according to my research. If you want tovolunteer some time I think you could have it. I am about to go on a weeks vacation. Afterwards I'll schedule a saturday or sunday and we can have guys come in and start reorganizing the free geek/ digital angles area. I just got the area back the other dept just shoved stuff into a hole. things to do : dban any drive that will boot Check monitors unpile that pile of equipment <quote who="Ed King"> > so... is it for sale? :) If I don't acquire some old hardware soon I might just slump over and die from iBoredom. > > > --- Original message from "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net>: --- > > >> Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. >> The network connection is a a male 9 pin. >> Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor somewhere. >> It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). >> I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. >> -- >> R. W. Young > > > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:01:24 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:01:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> $2500 on a desktop? Well, for $3200, you could get a Quad Core Mac Pro. For $2500, it's a quad core. I would say that over 3 - 5 years, you'd probably do better to spend $1500 now and $1000 later... Or even $500 a year. If present trends continue - the $500 computer you get 5 years from now will be many times better than the $2500 computer you get today. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > I am looking to build a system that will be around for at least 3-5 years > but for less than $2500 so for now the SSD's are a little pricey. I had b= een > thinking about a dual CPU mother board for the quads(a total of Eight cor= es) > but again a little cost prohibitive. Thanks for all the feedback you guys= . I > have always preferred AMD for price/performance even though currently Int= el > does have the benchmarks. I have had such good luck with AMD stuff I rare= ly > look at Intel. > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> my home box is: >> >> phenom 9500 (with tld erratum not patched) - the slowest of the first >> phenoms. get one of the new am3's; preferably a black edition if you're >> looking to push it a little harder than stock (and why wouldn't you?) >> >> ati 4850 - runs hot but well. i am very happy with this video card. does >> everything ubuntu would ever need it to do, and winders (games) loves it. >> played Prototype last night on full settings without a jerk. >> >> Gigabyte motherboard with a 790x chipset (2 x pcie). the 790fx chipsets >> come with 4 pcie (but why would you need 4 video cards unless you're usi= ng >> them as coprocessors with ATI Stream?). i hear the new 790gx chipsets are >> nice too. >> any good motherboard will handle all of your disk/raid needs (personal >> opinion: if you're ready to drop the cash for 5x1T HDs, why not get 6 and >> put your OS on a raid0? OR, better yet, why not get a snazzy new pcie ss= d? - >> sorry, im getting carried away.) >> >> i love my amd systems and that's my 2cents about your question. >> that being said, it looks like you're looking to spend a good bit of >> money; so, if that's the case, why not look at the new intels? i've never >> touched one, but the benchmarks all put them (the new i7s) head and >> shoulders above the nearest competition. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. >>> Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. >>> PCIe video with1Gb of ram >>> Gigibit ethernet >>> 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID >>> BlueRay DVD/RW >>> >>> Am I missing anything? >>> Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? >>> >>> Dean >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/66b231bd/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:04:21 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:04:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111204j581812e4wa681c5e81b98058b@mail.gmail.com> And, actually, if you qualify for a Educational Discount (if you, or anyone in your household, work at a school or are in school K-Graduate School - you qualify), you can get the Dual-Quad (Which is what I meant for the first "Quad Core" last time) Mac Pro for $2999. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > $2500 on a desktop? > > Well, for $3200, you could get a Quad Core Mac Pro. For $2500, it's a qu= ad > core. > > I would say that over 3 - 5 years, you'd probably do better to spend $1500 > now and $1000 later... Or even $500 a year. If present trends continue - > the $500 computer you get 5 years from now will be many times better than > the $2500 computer you get today. > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I am looking to build a system that will be around for at least 3-5 years >> but for less than $2500 so for now the SSD's are a little pricey. I had = been >> thinking about a dual CPU mother board for the quads(a total of Eight co= res) >> but again a little cost prohibitive. Thanks for all the feedback you guy= s. I >> have always preferred AMD for price/performance even though currently In= tel >> does have the benchmarks. I have had such good luck with AMD stuff I rar= ely >> look at Intel. >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E.H. <leprkhn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> my home box is: >>> >>> phenom 9500 (with tld erratum not patched) - the slowest of the first >>> phenoms. get one of the new am3's; preferably a black edition if you're >>> looking to push it a little harder than stock (and why wouldn't you?) >>> >>> ati 4850 - runs hot but well. i am very happy with this video card. does >>> everything ubuntu would ever need it to do, and winders (games) loves i= t. >>> played Prototype last night on full settings without a jerk. >>> >>> Gigabyte motherboard with a 790x chipset (2 x pcie). the 790fx chipsets >>> come with 4 pcie (but why would you need 4 video cards unless you're us= ing >>> them as coprocessors with ATI Stream?). i hear the new 790gx chipsets a= re >>> nice too. >>> any good motherboard will handle all of your disk/raid needs (personal >>> opinion: if you're ready to drop the cash for 5x1T HDs, why not get 6 a= nd >>> put your OS on a raid0? OR, better yet, why not get a snazzy new pcie s= sd? - >>> sorry, im getting carried away.) >>> >>> i love my amd systems and that's my 2cents about your question. >>> that being said, it looks like you're looking to spend a good bit of >>> money; so, if that's the case, why not look at the new intels? i've nev= er >>> touched one, but the benchmarks all put them (the new i7s) head and >>> shoulders above the nearest competition. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Dean Warren <deawar@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I want to build a quad core AMD desktop. >>>> Would like to have minumum of 2 gb of ram per core. >>>> PCIe video with1Gb of ram >>>> Gigibit ethernet >>>> 5 1 terabyte SATA 1 for OS and 4 for RAID >>>> BlueRay DVD/RW >>>> >>>> Am I missing anything? >>>> Anyone have positive or negative experiences they like to share? >>>> >>>> Dean >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ebwolf at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:08:42 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:09:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906111208v612283bfte20ce49b224a1649@mail.gmail.com> > > I would say that over 3 - 5 years, you'd probably do better to spend $1500 > now and $1000 later... Or even $500 a year. If present trends continue - > the $500 computer you get 5 years from now will be many times better than > the $2500 computer you get today. > I, personally, never spend more than $1000 on a computer (including monitor). It used to mean really scraping and building yourself. 1.5 years ago, $1000 net an Intel quad-core, 3GB RAM, dual 320GB SATA drives, DVD-RW, HD-TV tuner and a 22" monitor - built by HP and Dell. No case cuts on my hands. But I don't play games much anymore - so I didn't need the insane video card(s) and special power supply to support it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/d50bcbf9/a= ttachment.htm From ebwolf at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:13:06 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:13:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] digital angels was hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <62040.66.129.4.209.1244746601.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <061120091820.27707.4A314AE3000EB71E00006C3B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <62040.66.129.4.209.1244746601.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906111213t1d6cf9b8u8c2a13afb8b6a0a6@mail.gmail.com> Oh! I missed the "IBM PS/2" part. That's definitely a POS box (take that however you like). The "network" connection is most likely RS-485. The "network" is a credit card authorization gateway system. I used to write code for those gateways ages ago. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Ed this thing is a 50mhz 486 according to my research. If you want > tovolunteer some time I think you could have it. > I am about to go on a weeks vacation. Afterwards I'll schedule a saturday > or sunday and we can have guys come in and start reorganizing the free > geek/ digital angles area. I just got the area back the other dept just > shoved stuff into a hole. > > things to do : > dban any drive that will boot > Check monitors > unpile that pile of equipment > > > > <quote who=3D"Ed King"> > > so... is it for sale? :) If I don't acquire some old hardware soon I > might just slump over and die from iBoredom. > > > > > > --- Original message from "rwyoung" <rwyoung@chattanooga.net>: --- > > > > > >> Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > >> The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > >> Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > somewhere. > >> It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > >> I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > >> -- > >> R. W. Young > > > > > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/9c52c3bd/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 15:16:58 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:17:24 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906111208v612283bfte20ce49b224a1649@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <6f62da070906111042x2721baf9ja351de3a01b12e7b@mail.gmail.com> <f5daf2d90906111144k1fc7bcbbs9551bf6155e43da8@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111201v6c1b749fi2e21db5dbead6d28@mail.gmail.com> <18bb6ba00906111208v612283bfte20ce49b224a1649@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906111216i21d3d82co94363bc25ee8ddd6@mail.gmail.com> The special has expired (for now) - and I know TD isn't the most popular site in the world - but TigerDirect a few months ago offered a "Quad-Zilla" kit for $699. 4 Cores, 4GB of RAM, 4TB of storage. [I was thinking they needed another 4 to be Quad-perfect. Like the 4 cores could be 4Ghz :) ] It, too, was an AMD system. http://www.istorez.com/sf/30050 - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Eric Wolf <ebwolf@gmail.com> wrote: > I would say that over 3 - 5 years, you'd probably do better to spend $1500 >> now and $1000 later... Or even $500 a year. If present trends continue= - >> the $500 computer you get 5 years from now will be many times better than >> the $2500 computer you get today. >> > > I, personally, never spend more than $1000 on a computer (including > monitor). It used to mean really scraping and building yourself. 1.5 years > ago, $1000 net an Intel quad-core, 3GB RAM, dual 320GB SATA drives, DVD-R= W, > HD-TV tuner and a 22" monitor - built by HP and Dell. No case cuts on my > hands. But I don't play games much anymore - so I didn't need the insane > video card(s) and special power supply to support it. > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090611/da35a2f3/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 11 15:57:58 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 11 15:57:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] great cyberwall going up in china] Message-ID: <60485.66.129.4.209.1244750278.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Still think this isn't an issue? 40 million pc bot net does give me pause. "The Chinese government has announced that, starting in July, it will require all computers sold in China to come with Internet blocking software. The goal, authorities say, is to protect children from pornography." http://www.socialsignal.com/blog/rob-cottingham/censorship-isnt-only-problem-with-chinas-new-internet-blocking-software -- R. W. Young From dave at brockmans.com Thu Jun 11 17:40:35 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Thu Jun 11 17:40:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] great cyberwall going up in china] In-Reply-To: <60485.66.129.4.209.1244750278.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <60485.66.129.4.209.1244750278.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A3179D3.4050606@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rwyoung wrote: > Still think this isn't an issue? > 40 million pc bot net does give me pause. > > "The Chinese government has announced that, starting in July, it will > require all computers sold in China to come with Internet blocking > software. The goal, authorities say, is to protect children from > pornography." > http://www.socialsignal.com/blog/rob-cottingham/censorship-isnt-only-problem-with-chinas-new-internet-blocking-software > Oh noes! The Chinese government figured out we've figured out how to bypass the "Great Cisco Wall of China"? On a more serious note, while I normally wave the Open (tm) and Free (tm) flags high, especially when it comes to the Internet (tm), I must confess that iptables+geoip filtering can significantly reduce risk in certain applications. It can also reduce the amount of SPAM and SMTP resources burned. Again, it's per application risk analysis process for me. I don't send or receive email to China. I do publicly mirror software and feel that I should accept the extra risk on FTP in the interests of the software and the ideals behind it. xtables-addons lets you do this w/o having to recompile your kernel and the borked patch-o-matic builds for the geoip module (and several others also). Those of you who like to play with some of the more advanced features of your iptables firewalls might want to check it out :) - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoxedEACgkQABP1RO+tr2TUzgCeNLOpsbzooy/XGmF9rbMtZOR6 2poAn2XVzCRGIAUXP53yYTtZ92zxUpQh =FPV5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at noctum.net Thu Jun 11 17:47:40 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Thu Jun 11 17:48:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Top 10 Ways to Provoke a Geek Argument | GeekDad | Wired.com In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906111037o133f8425wfbf191f0790529c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <759EED4D-676C-4D8D-A855-14FECB5CA897@hastypudding.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906100731380.32607@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A2FCB04.2080006@flushy.net> <f5daf2d90906100821o39432847g51e311a7c4533ffc@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906100900r48e84811te046d9ca2cfd6b9b@mail.gmail.com> <427A40B3-3F37-415C-A0B3-97AEBC422D02@noctum.net> <6f2c36da0906110723v687cc241ve6ea580bba458f9b@mail.gmail.com> <C316B444-B009-475C-BF35-D2CCA2B6D079@noctum.net> <6f2c36da0906111037o133f8425wfbf191f0790529c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <B10E6A57-91C3-457C-B53B-3033B84762E7@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 11, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Chad Smith wrote: > Dude - those eagles totally held their own against the Nazgul in the > final battle. And you only need one of them to get to the Mountain. > How many Nazgul were there? 9, right? You put 25 teams of eagles > together, there's a far better than 50/50 chance they won't even be > able to attack the right team. You're ignoring two important facts - #1 - The Nazgul have an affinity for the ring. If it were Vegas, I'd put good money on them being able to pick the right Hobbit. When they've got them in sight, they're pretty good at picking out who it is - they knew who to chase to Rivendell, and the Witch-King knew which one to corner and stab. #2 - The bastards are pretty much immortal. In particular, just get the Witch-King himself up there. Unless they're flying with Eowyn, he's got that entire 'no man can stop me' thing going on. Even Gandalf couldn't stand up to him. And since we're assuming numbers, who's to say Sauron can't put more of the mounts the Nazgul are riding into the air? If the Eagles have such large numbers and are such a large fighting force, why is it they only show up for rescue ops and surgical strikes? All they're doing at the Morannon is running interference. And again, Saruman. Can't discount that prick. Dude has control of winged animals himself, and can influence the weather, not to mention he's working for Sauron, even while he's working for himself. > And, yeah, I'm evil, putting small children at risk. How many kids > do you think died in the battle at Helm's Deep? None of them. They were hiding in the caves, which is why everyone was willing to throw their lives away. Between Theoden and Eomer, those kids are lucky to still be sucking wind. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkoxe38ACgkQXzanDlV0VY5sWgCfc/8G00sXkncVzC8rJQZW+81a pzkAoIKaCrSLVIHrz7jYpEEctc7rNkTM =ndF4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From payrok at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 07:01:28 2009 From: payrok at gmail.com (Jason Pirok) Date: Fri Jun 12 07:01:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> you're in possesion of a dumb terminal. It relies on a serial (yes, I said it, SERIAL) network. If you can find it's monitor, the most use it would be, would to be a serial connected terminal on a linux box. rwyoung wrote: > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > somewhere. > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > > > From ripl at aol.com Fri Jun 12 07:20:23 2009 From: ripl at aol.com (Rip Linton) Date: Fri Jun 12 07:21:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB966E9D50D4E-1444-1D50@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Jason Pirok <payrok@gmail.com> To: CHUGALUG <chugalug@chugalug.org> Sent: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 7:01 am Subject: Re: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection you're in possesion of a dumb terminal. It relies on a serial (yes, I said it, SERIAL) network. If you can find it's monitor, the most use it would be, would to be a serial connected terminal on a linux box.? ? rwyoung wrote:? > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term.? > The network connection is a a male 9 pin.? > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor? > somewhere.? > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E).? > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate.? >? >? > _______________________________________________? Chugalug mailing list? Chugalug@chugalug.org? http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug If I recall correctly, the PS/2E is a 486 computer that used many parts from the laptop line. The DB9 was usually a Token Ring connection on an addon board that was supplied in place of a four port PCMCIA card. Rip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090612/7a9bc02e/attachment.htm From ripl at aol.com Fri Jun 12 07:23:44 2009 From: ripl at aol.com (Rip Linton) Date: Fri Jun 12 07:24:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CBB96761864D4E-1444-1D67@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Jason Pirok <payrok@gmail.com> To: CHUGALUG <chugalug@chugalug.org> Sent: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 7:01 am Subject: Re: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection you're in possesion of a dumb terminal. It relies on a serial (yes, I said it, SERIAL) network. If you can find it's monitor, the most use it would be, would to be a serial connected terminal on a linux box.? ? rwyoung wrote:? > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term.? > The network connection is a a male 9 pin.? > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor? > somewhere.? > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E).? > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate.? >? >? > _______________________________________________? Chugalug mailing list? Chugalug@chugalug.org? http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug I just noticed that the connector is a male 9 pin, the Token Ring connectors were female. Rip -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090612/8e8ec029/attachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 12 08:59:16 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 12 08:59:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61129.66.129.4.209.1244811556.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> According to my research it is a 50mhz 486. However I believe Jason is right that it is a serial network port. <quote who="Jason Pirok"> > you're in possesion of a dumb terminal. It relies on a serial (yes, I > said it, SERIAL) network. If you can find it's monitor, the most use it > would be, would to be a serial connected terminal on a linux box. > > rwyoung wrote: >> Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. >> The network connection is a a male 9 pin. >> Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor >> somewhere. >> It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). >> I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From chevyiinova at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 12 11:00:02 2009 From: chevyiinova at bellsouth.net (Ed King) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:00:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] hardware: 9pin network connection In-Reply-To: <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> References: <56790.66.129.4.209.1244733320.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A323588.3030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <061220091500.3885.4A326D72000701F800000F2D22230650029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> http://www.nothingtodo.org/classiccmp/ps2e.htm http://ps-2.kev009.com:8081/ohlandl/9533/193-226.txt http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/mod33.htm from the last link above... <provoke> "What's smaller*, sleeker, more nicely designed and probably faster than anything Apple Computer ever dreamed up?" </provoke> -------------- Original message from Jason Pirok <payrok@gmail.com>: -------------- > you're in possesion of a dumb terminal. It relies on a serial (yes, I > said it, SERIAL) network. If you can find it's monitor, the most use it > would be, would to be a serial connected terminal on a linux box. > > rwyoung wrote: > > Got a small form factor device that I think is a pc or term. > > The network connection is a a male 9 pin. > > Video also won't take modern video cable. I might have an old monitor > > somewhere. > > It is a form of PS2 I never seen b4 (PS/2E). > > I thought I'd seen every form of PS/2 at sears corporate. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 12 11:07:47 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:07:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] wifi issues Message-ID: <57612.66.129.4.209.1244819267.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Got PCI wifi card for tower that takes a linksys pcmia wifi card. System sees the pci card but cannot get wifi to work. I thought linksys was well supported under Linux? Any ideas? using ubuntu 9.04 any pertinent drivers to load? or just use captured drivers? -- R. W. Young From infocop411 at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 11:20:45 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Fri Jun 12 11:21:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Comshaft blocking outside DNS? 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Fri Jun 12 13:08:01 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] wifi issues In-Reply-To: <57612.66.129.4.209.1244819267.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <57612.66.129.4.209.1244819267.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <205a4c310906121007qbb784faw4a436bd3efbf2b73@mail.gmail.com> What is/are the model number(s) of the card(s)? ndiswrapper is probably your best bet. Your configuration sounds a little odd though - you say it's a PCI card that has a pcmcia slot?? The linksys adapters I've used to date are a wusb54G or something similar that worked really well, and a wusb11v4 that didn't work quite right (I ended up having to write a script to try to connect again and again until it finally "stuck"). So your results may vary. Note that mine were both external devices as well. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > Got PCI wifi card for tower that takes a linksys pcmia wifi card. > System sees the pci card but cannot get wifi to work. > I thought linksys was well supported under Linux? > Any ideas? > using ubuntu 9.04 any pertinent drivers to load? > or just use captured drivers? > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090612/5e48a646/a= ttachment.htm From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Fri Jun 12 13:14:33 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Fri Jun 12 13:14:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] wifi issues In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906121007qbb784faw4a436bd3efbf2b73@mail.gmail.com> References: <57612.66.129.4.209.1244819267.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906121007qbb784faw4a436bd3efbf2b73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906121014p323f8a7dp6f833c6a81dfd479@mail.gmail.com> I see a lot of cisco wireless adapters that are PCMCIA cards attached to towers through a PCI adapter. Never tried one with Ubuntu, though. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, James Nylen<jnylen@gmail.com> wrote: > What is/are the model number(s) of the card(s)?? ndiswrapper is probably > your best bet.? Your configuration sounds a little odd though - you say it's > a PCI card that has a pcmcia slot?? > > The linksys adapters I've used to date are a wusb54G or something similar > that worked really well, and a wusb11v4 that didn't work quite right (I > ended up having to write a script to try to connect again and again until it > finally "stuck").? So your results may vary.? Note that mine were both > external devices as well. > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: >> >> Got PCI wifi card for tower that takes a linksys pcmia wifi card. >> System sees the pci card but cannot get wifi to work. >> I thought linksys was well supported under Linux? >> Any ideas? >> ?using ubuntu 9.04 any pertinent drivers to load? >> or just use captured drivers? >> >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 12 16:34:49 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 12 16:34:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna Message-ID: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> It is a linksys/cisco product. Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? -- R. W. Young From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 12 22:48:18 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 12 22:48:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] extracting streams from flash players In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906021227i30c45d9q6aa778853cd04f22@mail.gmail.com> References: <20494.66.129.4.209.1243865766.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906010727t7a2cb361n237e0088e67a957d@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906010930g786ec74et3af0a7b520db98d@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906021031j7633ea72pcb969b66efec337b@mail.gmail.com> <4A256357.1020807@brockmans.com> <d06a284e0906021106y7b3df683ibacb05ee0e94749f@mail.gmail.com> <205a4c310906021227i30c45d9q6aa778853cd04f22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51174.67.167.162.103.1244861298.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <quote who="James Nylen"> >> >> Firebug may be able to pick up on that in its Network activity view. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > BING BING BING found the getstreamurltoken scrip. ran the php script and got the mms link. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From chugalug at unkmar.com Sat Jun 13 00:20:08 2009 From: chugalug at unkmar.com (Lucius L. Hilley III) Date: Sat Jun 13 00:20:10 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> > It is a linksys/cisco product. > Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. > > Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? > > -- > R. W. Young It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am impressed with the cards that they come with. But it isn't a good impression. Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar From chugalug at unkmar.com Sat Jun 13 00:22:00 2009 From: chugalug at unkmar.com (Lucius L. Hilley III) Date: Sat Jun 13 00:22:01 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> Message-ID: <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> This is what we are talking about. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175853&csid=_25 >> It is a linksys/cisco product. >> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >> >> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >> >> -- >> R. W. Young > > It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the > 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them > before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a > cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks > like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire > with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black > fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am > impressed with the cards that they come with. > But it isn't a good impression. > > Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar > From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 13 12:02:46 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 13 12:02:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] WGOW Stream link Message-ID: <36881.67.167.162.103.1244908966.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> http://citadelcc-wgow-fm.wm.llnwd.net/citadelcc_WGOW_FM one of the stream links I have harvested -- R. W. Young From dbmchone at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 13:28:27 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Sat Jun 13 13:28:23 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> Message-ID: <4A33E1BB.3050302@gmail.com> I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: > This is what we are talking about. > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175853&csid=_25 > >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >>> >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them >> before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a >> cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks >> like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black >> fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am >> impressed with the cards that they come with. >> But it isn't a good impression. >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 13 13:39:45 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 13 13:39:39 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <4A33E1BB.3050302@gmail.com> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <4A33E1BB.3050302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45326.67.167.162.103.1244914785.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> well all I have is the antenna . Not the card. <quote who="Bret McHone"> > I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. > > Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: >> This is what we are talking about. >> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175853&csid=_25 >> >>>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >>>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >>>> >>>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> R. W. Young >>> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >>> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them >>> before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a >>> cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks >>> like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >>> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black >>> fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am >>> impressed with the cards that they come with. >>> But it isn't a good impression. >>> >>> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From shadowhunter at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 16:19:08 2009 From: shadowhunter at gmail.com (Alex Smith (K4RNT)) Date: Sat Jun 13 16:19:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> I've found that bare-bones kits nowadays aren't as much as they were cracked up to be - you end up making sacrifices in parts somehow, either by getting a no-name brand of some device that will end up causing you more trouble in the long run. I have developed brand preferences in tech products that haven't broken the bank: Cases - Thermaltake and Antec PSU - Thermaltake and Antec (80+ PLUS efficiency rated only) Mainboards (I deal almost exclusively with AMD boards) - Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock RAM - Crucial and G.SKILL Optical drives - Samsung and LG Hard disks - Seagate, Hitachi and Samsung Graphics - board vendors XFX, Gigabyte and MSI, both AMD and NVIDIA chipsets are acceptable, but I tend to weigh the graphics capability versus power efficiency. Brands I steer clear of: Ultra and Western Digital Note that these are only personal preferences, but they have served me well in the past. DISCLAIMER: I did not read the link you posted, so I cannot comment on that particular kit. That kit may be good as far as I know... :) On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chad Smith<chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's a kit with all of that for $399 - not sure of it's Linux > compatibility, though. > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1951.asp?cm_sp=Right%20Nav-_-email-_-wem1951 -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 16:39:48 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 13 16:39:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f61562b0906131339n77a3e812k42d0118558e35b03@mail.gmail.com> Latest planned creation of doom: Dual AMD Opteron Dual Cores running 2.8Ghz Tyan Workstation Board 8GB DDR2 ECC ATI Radeon 4870HD 1GB DDR5 PCI-e 2.0 Card I am currently running: AMD Opteron 2.4 Ghz overclocked to 2.8 Ghz 4GB DDR ECC XFX Nvidia GeForce 9800 GS 512MB DDR3 I love it, its 4 years old but still plays anything I throw on it at the highest settings with excellent frame rates My machine from the past: Dell Precision Intel Xeon 2.0 Ghz 4GB DDR2 ECC Nvidida Quadro 1500 256MB DDR2 On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) <shadowhunter@gmail.com>wrote: > I've found that bare-bones kits nowadays aren't as much as they were > cracked up to be - you end up making sacrifices in parts somehow, > either by getting a no-name brand of some device that will end up > causing you more trouble in the long run. > > I have developed brand preferences in tech products that haven't > broken the bank: > > Cases - Thermaltake and Antec > PSU - Thermaltake and Antec (80+ PLUS efficiency rated only) > Mainboards (I deal almost exclusively with AMD boards) - Gigabyte, MSI > and ASRock > RAM - Crucial and G.SKILL > Optical drives - Samsung and LG > Hard disks - Seagate, Hitachi and Samsung > Graphics - board vendors XFX, Gigabyte and MSI, both AMD and NVIDIA > chipsets are acceptable, but I tend to weigh the graphics capability > versus power efficiency. > > Brands I steer clear of: > > Ultra and Western Digital > > Note that these are only personal preferences, but they have served me > well in the past. > > DISCLAIMER: I did not read the link you posted, so I cannot comment on > that particular kit. That kit may be good as far as I know... :) > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chad Smith<chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's a kit with all of that for $399 - not sure of it's Linux > > compatibility, though. > > > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1951.asp?cm_sp=3DRight%20Nav-_-email-= _-wem1951 > > > -- > " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech > censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, > chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron > Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is > trodden on we=92re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron > Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" > - Alex Smith (K4RNT) > - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090613/1cbabf93/a= ttachment.htm From shadowhunter at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 16:51:42 2009 From: shadowhunter at gmail.com (Alex Smith (K4RNT)) Date: Sat Jun 13 16:52:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906131339n77a3e812k42d0118558e35b03@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906131339n77a3e812k42d0118558e35b03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46a806910906131351v26a9c165v9d5999ea1556f5d6@mail.gmail.com> Ahhh... Tyan. Great boards, just so expensive that I can never afford one. /me heart his AMD Opteron-based system. 2 years old and still running like a champ. :) On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Stephen Kraus<ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com> wrote: > Latest planned creation of doom: > > Dual AMD Opteron Dual Cores running 2.8Ghz > Tyan Workstation Board > 8GB DDR2 ECC > ATI Radeon 4870HD 1GB DDR5 PCI-e 2.0 Card > > I am currently running: > > AMD Opteron 2.4 Ghz overclocked to 2.8 Ghz > 4GB DDR ECC > XFX Nvidia GeForce 9800 GS 512MB DDR3 > > I love it, its 4 years old but still plays anything I throw on it at the > highest settings with excellent frame rates > > My machine from the past: > > Dell Precision > Intel Xeon 2.0 Ghz > 4GB DDR2 ECC > Nvidida Quadro 1500 256MB DDR2 -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA From dbmchone at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 10:29:14 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Sun Jun 14 10:29:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <45326.67.167.162.103.1244914785.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <4A33E1BB.3050302@gmail.com> <45326.67.167.162.103.1244914785.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A35093A.3080601@gmail.com> since it's for 802.11N I would guess that it's just 3x omni antenna that would work with 2.4GHz or the 5GHz spectrum, so that would actually be a nice rig for wardriving (or sniffing or auditing or whatever you want to call it) if you had 3 cards that you could hook it to. Then you could set the channel hopping pattern for each card so that they don't overlap and you could see 3 channels simultaneously with a single rig. That would be pretty nice. I use a combination of a USB hub and multiple USB adapters and a PCMCIA card but they don't support external antennas. Just a thought! -Bret rwyoung wrote: > well all I have is the antenna . Not the card. > > <quote who="Bret McHone"> >> I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: >>> This is what we are talking about. >>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175853&csid=_25 >>> >>>>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >>>>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >>>>> >>>>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> R. W. Young >>>> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >>>> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them >>>> before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a >>>> cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks >>>> like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >>>> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black >>>> fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am >>>> impressed with the cards that they come with. >>>> But it isn't a good impression. >>>> >>>> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Sun Jun 14 20:17:36 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Sun Jun 14 20:12:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> It is shipping on HP laptops (came on my current laptop) and been out long enough thanks to Cisco. If you have a need for the greater performance, go for it. If you use Cisco equipement you they will keep up on enhancements and bug fixes. Resistance is futile. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:28 PM To: CHUGALUG Subject: Re: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: > This is what we are talking about. > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?E > dpNo=2175853&csid=_25 > >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >>> >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them before. Really >> funny looking. Kinda of like a cross between an ashtray and a cup >> holder. Looks like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black fins sit vertically >> and serve as its feet. I am impressed with the cards that they come >> with. >> But it isn't a good impression. >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 20:14:59 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 14 20:14:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <f61562b0906141714u291d2173ud9622c3a8b1ea905@mail.gmail.com> I've heard of people using the antennas on routers to enhance their performance On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Walker <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com > wrote: > It is shipping on HP laptops (came on my current laptop) and been out > long enough thanks to Cisco. If you have a need for the greater > performance, go for it. If you use Cisco equipement you they will keep > up on enhancements and bug fixes. > > Resistance is futile. > > -----Original Message----- > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:28 PM > To: CHUGALUG > Subject: Re: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna > > I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. > > Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: > > This is what we are talking about. > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?E > > dpNo=3D2175853&csid=3D_25 > > > >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. > >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. > >>> > >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> R. W. Young > >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the > >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them before. Really > >> funny looking. Kinda of like a cross between an ashtray and a cup > >> holder. Looks like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire > >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black fins sit vertically > > >> and serve as its feet. I am impressed with the cards that they come > >> with. > >> But it isn't a good impression. > >> > >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090614/1f6225de/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sun Jun 14 20:52:42 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sun Jun 14 20:52:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906141714u291d2173ud9622c3a8b1ea905@mail.gmail.com> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <f61562b0906141714u291d2173ud9622c3a8b1ea905@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49696.67.167.162.103.1245027162.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> But do I do with this without the card? <quote who="Stephen Kraus"> > I've heard of people using the antennas on routers to enhance their > performance > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Walker > <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com >> wrote: > >> It is shipping on HP laptops (came on my current laptop) and been out >> long enough thanks to Cisco. If you have a need for the greater >> performance, go for it. If you use Cisco equipement you they will keep >> up on enhancements and bug fixes. >> >> Resistance is futile. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org >> [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone >> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:28 PM >> To: CHUGALUG >> Subject: Re: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna >> >> I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: >> > This is what we are talking about. >> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?E >> > dpNo=2175853&csid=_25 >> > >> >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >> >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >> >>> >> >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> R. W. Young >> >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >> >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them before. Really >> >> funny looking. Kinda of like a cross between an ashtray and a cup >> >> holder. Looks like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >> >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black fins sit vertically >> >> >> and serve as its feet. I am impressed with the cards that they come >> >> with. >> >> But it isn't a good impression. >> >> >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > ______________________________ > Stephen Kraus > UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 21:13:49 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 14 21:13:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <49696.67.167.162.103.1245027162.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <f61562b0906141714u291d2173ud9622c3a8b1ea905@mail.gmail.com> <49696.67.167.162.103.1245027162.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906141813q340a0ae2t79c6002cdc5eaff1@mail.gmail.com> Does it have BNC connectors on the end similair to this?: http://img.en.china.cn/0/0,0,372,19231,1600,1200,0ca57649.jpg If so, SAVE IT! It is very useful. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:52 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > But do I do with this without the card? > > <quote who=3D"Stephen Kraus"> > > I've heard of people using the antennas on routers to enhance their > > performance > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Stephen Walker > > <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com > >> wrote: > > > >> It is shipping on HP laptops (came on my current laptop) and been out > >> long enough thanks to Cisco. If you have a need for the greater > >> performance, go for it. If you use Cisco equipement you they will keep > >> up on enhancements and bug fixes. > >> > >> Resistance is futile. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > >> [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone > >> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:28 PM > >> To: CHUGALUG > >> Subject: Re: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna > >> > >> I'm still keeping my distance away from 802.11N until it is ratified. > >> > >> Lucius L. Hilley III wrote: > >> > This is what we are talking about. > >> > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?E > >> > dpNo=3D2175853&csid=3D_25 > >> > > >> >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. > >> >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. > >> >>> > >> >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> R. W. Young > >> >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the > >> >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them before. Really > >> >> funny looking. Kinda of like a cross between an ashtray and a cup > >> >> holder. Looks like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire > >> >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black fins sit vertical= ly > >> > >> >> and serve as its feet. I am impressed with the cards that they come > >> >> with. > >> >> But it isn't a good impression. > >> >> > >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chugalug mailing list > >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > ______________________________ > > Stephen Kraus > > UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090614/5e4cdd4d/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sun Jun 14 23:02:01 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sun Jun 14 23:01:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> References: <61289.66.129.4.209.1244838889.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <32786.74.183.61.41.1244866808.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> <57482.74.183.61.41.1244866920.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> Message-ID: <49777.67.167.162.103.1245034921.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> it's this puppy all right. BTW I am off this week. Anyone want reach call the house. <quote who="Lucius L. Hilley III"> > This is what we are talking about. > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2175853&csid=_25 > >>> It is a linksys/cisco product. >>> Blue hockey puck with 3 equilateral black fins. >>> >>> Cable has 3 connectors. What does this connect to? >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >> >> It has 3 connectors because those 3 fins are the >> 3 Antennas to a 802.11N PCI card. I've seen them >> before. Really funny looking. Kinda of like a >> cross between an ashtray and a cup holder. Looks >> like a plastic large candle holder but with a wire >> with 3 connections coming off of it. Those black >> fins sit vertically and serve as its feet. I am >> impressed with the cards that they come with. >> But it isn't a good impression. >> >> Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Mon Jun 15 09:58:31 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Mon Jun 15 09:59:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Slashdot Technology Story | A Visual Expedition Inside the Linux File Systems Message-ID: <a171680b0906150658s76d0f6b1ye2b462c9bdbb25d0@mail.gmail.com> Tm90IHN1cmUgd2hvIG1pZ2h0IGhhdmUgc2VlbiB0aGlzIG9yIGhhZCBpbnRlcmVzdC4KCmh0dHA6 Ly90ZWNoLnNsYXNoZG90Lm9yZy9zdG9yeS8wOS8wNi8xNS8wMTUyMDcvQS1WaXN1YWwtRXhwZWRp dGlvbi1JbnNpZGUtdGhlLUxpbnV4LUZpbGUtU3lzdGVtcz9mcm9tPXJzcwoKCkdyYW50Ci0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2Fz IHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcv YXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAwOTA2MTUvODhkMzgxN2EvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From deawar at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 10:21:15 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Mon Jun 15 10:21:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] What are people building for desktops these days? In-Reply-To: <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> References: <f5daf2d90906110920i755f5e29n50511d50b428bc51@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906110948s41aed671sa309f83529a5944a@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906111012x70d5438dy317b5d5084fc13e8@mail.gmail.com> <46a806910906131319o582651tbde968a0b0317204@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906150721n34a2181k6ba761b6b7ce5530@mail.gmail.com> Now that is what I am talking about! Brand Specific recommendations I think I can work with this. On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) <shadowhunter@gmail.com>wrote: > I've found that bare-bones kits nowadays aren't as much as they were > cracked up to be - you end up making sacrifices in parts somehow, > either by getting a no-name brand of some device that will end up > causing you more trouble in the long run. > > I have developed brand preferences in tech products that haven't > broken the bank: > > Cases - Thermaltake and Antec > PSU - Thermaltake and Antec (80+ PLUS efficiency rated only) > Mainboards (I deal almost exclusively with AMD boards) - Gigabyte, MSI > and ASRock > RAM - Crucial and G.SKILL > Optical drives - Samsung and LG > Hard disks - Seagate, Hitachi and Samsung > Graphics - board vendors XFX, Gigabyte and MSI, both AMD and NVIDIA > chipsets are acceptable, but I tend to weigh the graphics capability > versus power efficiency. > > Brands I steer clear of: > > Ultra and Western Digital > > Note that these are only personal preferences, but they have served me > well in the past. > > DISCLAIMER: I did not read the link you posted, so I cannot comment on > that particular kit. That kit may be good as far as I know... :) > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Chad Smith<chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's a kit with all of that for $399 - not sure of it's Linux > > compatibility, though. > > > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/wem1951.asp?cm_sp=3DRight%20Nav-_-email-= _-wem1951 > > > -- > " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech > censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, > chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron > Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is > trodden on we=92re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron > Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" > - Alex Smith (K4RNT) > - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090615/a1c7f7b6/attachment.htm From mrideout at windserve.com Mon Jun 15 10:34:44 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Mon Jun 15 10:34:39 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] nokia N810 In-Reply-To: <B63E7689-2E3F-40F5-A84E-63B9D0607926@hastypudding.com> References: <B63E7689-2E3F-40F5-A84E-63B9D0607926@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <4A365C04.1060007@windserve.com> Yes, and I very highly recommend it. I take my N810 with me when I want = to stay online, but not lug the MacBook around. Most of what's it's used = for is email, web browsing, and SSH sessions. It's also a capable Skype = or Gizmo client when I'm out of cell range, but on a Wifi network. When = I am in cell range, it can tether via Bluetooth. You can also use the built in GPS, or use Gnumeric or Abiworld in a = pinch, but I've only used each of those a couple times. The keyboard's = good for its size, but still not something that I'd want to do a lot of = data entry on. I've been meaning to setup VPN clients on it to make it a more versatile = remote admin tool, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. Gary Hasty wrote, On 6/15/09 10:21 AM: > Tempting price...anyone played with? > > http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-k= eyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html?adid=3D17051&dcaid=3D17051 = > <http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-= keyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html?adid=3D17051&dcaid=3D17051> > > --- > Gary Hasty > "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090615/e7e44866/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 11:05:02 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Mon Jun 15 11:05:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] nokia N810 In-Reply-To: <4A365C04.1060007@windserve.com> References: <B63E7689-2E3F-40F5-A84E-63B9D0607926@hastypudding.com> <4A365C04.1060007@windserve.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906150805w7961d94bp7e28b1699d49da8f@mail.gmail.com> I used to use the N800 with a near-full-sized BlueTooth fold-out keyboard (iGo brand). Always wanted a N810. I will say that the N900 (faster CPU, possible built-in phone, more storage) is allegedly just around the corner - but I have no idea of the price. Historically, when the new models of these come out (there have been 4 so far) they are around $400 to start. But, yeah, $180 for a N810 is a good deal, no matter how you slice it. - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Matt Rideout <mrideout@windserve.com>wrote: > Yes, and I very highly recommend it. I take my N810 with me when I want > to stay online, but not lug the MacBook around. Most of what's it's used = for > is email, web browsing, and SSH sessions. It's also a capable Skype or Gi= zmo > client when I'm out of cell range, but on a Wifi network. When I am in ce= ll > range, it can tether via Bluetooth. > > You can also use the built in GPS, or use Gnumeric or Abiworld in a pinch, > but I've only used each of those a couple times. The keyboard's good for = its > size, but still not something that I'd want to do a lot of data entry on. > > I've been meaning to setup VPN clients on it to make it a more versatile > remote admin tool, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. > > Gary Hasty wrote, On 6/15/09 10:21 AM: > > Tempting price...anyone played with? > > http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-k= eyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html?adid=3D17051&dcaid=3D17051 > > --- > Gary Hasty > "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing listChugalug@chugalug.orghttp://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mai= lman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090615/90c3501a/a= ttachment.htm From chad78 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 11:26:13 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Mon Jun 15 11:26:39 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] nokia N810 In-Reply-To: <6f2c36da0906150805w7961d94bp7e28b1699d49da8f@mail.gmail.com> References: <B63E7689-2E3F-40F5-A84E-63B9D0607926@hastypudding.com> <4A365C04.1060007@windserve.com> <6f2c36da0906150805w7961d94bp7e28b1699d49da8f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906150826n6b8ab201nba828e9656057ef1@mail.gmail.com> Here's the details on the N900. http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-kno= w-about-nokias-next-tablet/ - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Chad Smith <chad78@gmail.com> wrote: > I used to use the N800 with a near-full-sized BlueTooth fold-out keyboard > (iGo brand). Always wanted a N810. I will say that the N900 (faster CPU, > possible built-in phone, more storage) is allegedly just around the corne= r - > but I have no idea of the price. Historically, when the new models of th= ese > come out (there have been 4 so far) they are around $400 to start. > > But, yeah, $180 for a N810 is a good deal, no matter how you slice it. > > - Chad Smith > http://www.chadwsmith.com/ > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Matt Rideout <mrideout@windserve.com>wro= te: > >> Yes, and I very highly recommend it. I take my N810 with me when I want >> to stay online, but not lug the MacBook around. Most of what's it's used= for >> is email, web browsing, and SSH sessions. It's also a capable Skype or G= izmo >> client when I'm out of cell range, but on a Wifi network. When I am in c= ell >> range, it can tether via Bluetooth. >> >> You can also use the built in GPS, or use Gnumeric or Abiworld in a pinc= h, >> but I've only used each of those a couple times. The keyboard's good for= its >> size, but still not something that I'd want to do a lot of data entry on. >> >> I've been meaning to setup VPN clients on it to make it a more versatile >> remote admin tool, but just haven't gotten around to it yet. >> >> Gary Hasty wrote, On 6/15/09 10:21 AM: >> >> Tempting price...anyone played with? >> >> http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-= keyboard-810/q/loc/101/206228943.html?adid=3D17051&dcaid=3D17051 >> >> --- >> Gary Hasty >> "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disn= ey >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing listChugalug@chugalug.orghttp://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/ma= ilman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<6f2c36da0906150805w7961d94bp7e28b1699d49da8f@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906150826n6b8ab201nba828e9656057ef1@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906150839q2b457be8p899b49bddfc2a5a7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090615091049.20beaf6b@danhplaptop> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:39:14 -0400 Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: > I saw one in use, the ssh client was handy, I saw it logged into a > debian server & running vlc & irssi > so there were some things that he would have liked there, it did more > than enough for him How big are these relative to, say, an iPhone? Dan From chad78 at gmail.com Mon Jun 15 12:31:02 2009 From: chad78 at gmail.com (Chad Smith) Date: Mon Jun 15 12:31:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] nokia N810 In-Reply-To: <20090615091049.20beaf6b@danhplaptop> References: <B63E7689-2E3F-40F5-A84E-63B9D0607926@hastypudding.com> <4A365C04.1060007@windserve.com> <6f2c36da0906150805w7961d94bp7e28b1699d49da8f@mail.gmail.com> <6f2c36da0906150826n6b8ab201nba828e9656057ef1@mail.gmail.com> <d38d3bef0906150839q2b457be8p899b49bddfc2a5a7@mail.gmail.com> <20090615091049.20beaf6b@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <6f2c36da0906150931t122091dbm35341572afae63f6@mail.gmail.com> * http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/23968-Apple-iPhone-vs-Nokia-N90= 0-vs-Nokia-n810 * - Chad Smith http://www.chadwsmith.com/ On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Dan Lyke <danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:39:14 -0400 > Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: > > I saw one in use, the ssh client was handy, I saw it logged into a > > debian server & running vlc & irssi > > so there were some things that he would have liked there, it did more > > than enough for him > > How big are these relative to, say, an iPhone? > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090615/88a1aff4/a= ttachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Tue Jun 16 09:42:54 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Tue Jun 16 09:43:18 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Comshaft blocking outside DNS? In-Reply-To: <d38d3bef0906120820v1ee91befte6c3dc10595ba131@mail.gmail.com> References: <54770.66.129.4.209.1244639348.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <205a4c310906101817u54b480f5n59ed23b84f545907@mail.gmail.com> <6716C1C0-75F2-437A-B35C-6AACA0D22444@noctum.net> <d38d3bef0906120820v1ee91befte6c3dc10595ba131@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906160642i25e20699h6b2dff317ef78db5@mail.gmail.com> I use OpenDNS as my primary DNS on my home network. Well I have bind set to handle all my internal DNS and forward external domain queries to OpenDNS. I've never had any problems with it. As far as I can tell it's wicked fast and reliable. I'm on comcast though, and I haven't seen any signs of DNS issues. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm relying on Opennic, might be a problem later on, but OpenDNS isn't a > bad backup (I wouldn't use it for more though) > not using Comcast helps too (Charter & AT&T could start doing this too I > suppose, well I worry when it happens) > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Kenneth Ratliff <lists@noctum.net> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:17 PM, James Nylen wrote: >> >> 4.2.2.2 for life! Comcast's servers are pretty slow. >>> >> >> 4.2.2.2 had issues... last month I believe it was. Several of our clients >> were using it, and it's amazing what breaks when DNS gets FUBAR. Ever si= nce, >> I've had to stop relying on it, much safer to just run my own resolver. >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) >> >> iEUEARECAAYFAkoxCcAACgkQXzanDlV0VY6jlQCg3BZ5afP0itAqkmA6h1rYjo97 >> WlwAliK1A4tfloYxYk/azsvSNJ27Kq8=3D >> =3DLsO9 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown <lists@masterforge.com> wrote: > Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, anyone else? > http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ > --Jason > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-Into= -Gaming <http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-Int= o-Gaming>If you follow these lists, you probably new that AT&T was building a game development group, oh, about two or three months ago! Insider info, FTW! -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/61bba8ed/a= ttachment.htm From dbmchone at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 13:58:58 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Tue Jun 16 13:59:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] New Kismet Message-ID: <67a8dd030906161058h1eaee22m94f0154aa24708c7@mail.gmail.com> Anyone been playing around with Kismet-newcore? it definitely has a bit of a different feel. -Bret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/901999ae/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 14:59:38 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Tue Jun 16 14:59:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> Where is it at? AW On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com>wrot= e: > Yep, I'll be there! > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown <lists@masterforge.com>wrot= e: > >> Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, anyone else? >> http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ >> --Jason >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/7e445e7e/a= ttachment.htm From druid628 at comcast.net Tue Jun 16 15:00:30 2009 From: druid628 at comcast.net (DruiD628) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:00:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> Chattanooga Billiards Aaron welch wrote: > Where is it at? > > AW > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com > <mailto:ryan@ryanfreelance.com>> wrote: > > Yep, I'll be there! > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown > <lists@masterforge.com <mailto:lists@masterforge.com>> wrote: > > Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, > anyone else? > http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ > --Jason > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com <http://www.ryanfreelance.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com <mailto:n2nightfall@gmail.com> > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > From jnylen at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 15:09:08 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:09:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> Message-ID: <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> I'm planning on coming too. Is it going to be more a format of someone doing a main presentation, or of people splitting off into groups and looking at each other's projects/questions? On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, DruiD628 <druid628@comcast.net> wrote: > Chattanooga Billiards > > Aaron welch wrote: > >> Where is it at? >> >> AW >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com<m= ailto: >> ryan@ryanfreelance.com>> wrote: >> >> Yep, I'll be there! >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown >> <lists@masterforge.com <mailto:lists@masterforge.com>> wrote: >> >> Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, >> anyone else? >> http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ >> --Jason >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> -- Ryan Harrell >> 423-313-6405 >> www.ryanfreelance.com <http://www.ryanfreelance.com> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Aaron Welch >> 423-505-9999 >> n2nightfall@gmail.com <mailto:n2nightfall@gmail.com> >> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/356c3882/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 15:22:17 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:22:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906161222v1498ff42xcfb4611d8d5f341d@mail.gmail.com> What time is it? Sorry this stuff is not listed openly on the website. AW On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, James Nylen <jnylen@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm planning on coming too. Is it going to be more a format of someone > doing a main presentation, or of people splitting off into groups and > looking at each other's projects/questions? > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, DruiD628 <druid628@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Chattanooga Billiards >> >> Aaron welch wrote: >> >>> Where is it at? >>> >>> AW >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harrell <ryan@ryanfreelance.com<= mailto: >>> ryan@ryanfreelance.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, I'll be there! >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown >>> <lists@masterforge.com <mailto:lists@masterforge.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, >>> anyone else? >>> http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ >>> --Jason >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Ryan Harrell >>> 423-313-6405 >>> www.ryanfreelance.com <http://www.ryanfreelance.com> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Aaron Welch >>> 423-505-9999 >>> n2nightfall@gmail.com <mailto:n2nightfall@gmail.com> >>> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/8c48d902/attachment.htm From j.clifton at 4-8-4.com Tue Jun 16 15:53:34 2009 From: j.clifton at 4-8-4.com (Jeremy Clifton) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:53:40 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906161222v1498ff42xcfb4611d8d5f341d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161222v1498ff42xcfb4611d8d5f341d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E6F5F86-BF86-403A-B64D-01FC11E0BA71@4-8-4.com> @#$% Meetup. I didn't know it was hiding the information from people who weren't members. Sorry ... fixed now. It's at 7pm at the Chattanooga Billiards downtown location, in the non- smoking room downstairs. Format this month is informal ... no scheduled presentation. Pretty much like your average CHUGALUG meeting, for those of you who have been to a few. JC On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Aaron welch wrote: > What time is it? Sorry this stuff is not listed openly on the > website. > > AW > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:09 PM, James Nylen <jnylen@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm planning on coming too. Is it going to be more a format of > someone doing a main presentation, or of people splitting off into > groups and looking at each other's projects/questions? > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, DruiD628 <druid628@comcast.net> > wrote: > Chattanooga Billiards > > Aaron welch wrote: > Where is it at? > > AW > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Ryan Harrell > <ryan@ryanfreelance.com <mailto:ryan@ryanfreelance.com>> wrote: > > Yep, I'll be there! > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jason Brown > <lists@masterforge.com <mailto:lists@masterforge.com>> wrote: > > Looks like I will be able to make the php meetup tonight, > anyone else? > http://www.meetup.com/chattanoogaphp/ > --Jason > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com <http://www.ryanfreelance.com> > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org <mailto:Chugalug@chugalug.org> > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com <mailto:n2nightfall@gmail.com> > > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug ------- Jeremy Clifton <j.clifton@4-8-4.com> 4-8-4 Software Works (423) 240-4512 From j.clifton at 4-8-4.com Tue Jun 16 15:58:48 2009 From: j.clifton at 4-8-4.com (Jeremy Clifton) Date: Tue Jun 16 15:58:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] PHP meetup tonight. In-Reply-To: <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A37B521.2000202@masterforge.com> <d06a284e0906160855l3cfa77c8i724914a233b10c28@mail.gmail.com> <9c0f5dc00906161159u2e45cc33u67874ba1f475d7ac@mail.gmail.com> <4A37EBCE.9040602@comcast.net> <205a4c310906161209q20bf3648r235053ed20f78b58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <C771D753-7D0A-4392-9FE1-C1F7800B3269@4-8-4.com> > I'm planning on coming too. Is it going to be more a format of > someone doing a main presentation, or of people splitting off into > groups and looking at each other's projects/questions? To answer your question (and to clarify my previous comment about it being "like a CHUGALUG meeting") we'll have some general discussion, a question and answer time, and give the opportunity for anybody who wants to do so to give a presentation, which may or may not mean breaking up into groups depending on how many people want to present. JC ------- Jeremy Clifton <j.clifton@4-8-4.com> 4-8-4 Software Works (423) 240-4512 From ghasty at hastypudding.com Tue Jun 16 16:27:08 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:27:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] This is breaking news? In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> Sheesh...I even interviewed with em 8 months ago On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Wolf wrote: > http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-Into-Gaming > > If you follow these lists, you probably new that AT&T was building a > game development group, oh, about two or three months ago! > > Insider info, FTW! > > -Eric > > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/f028d7d8/attachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Tue Jun 16 16:53:48 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Tue Jun 16 16:53:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] got a weird wifi antenna In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906160628480.4229@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161C83@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <f61562b0906141714u291d2173ud9622c3a8b1ea905@mail.gmail.com> <49696.67.167.162.103.1245027162.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906160628480.4229@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906161353w49f2c11fr843decf2ccde36d3@mail.gmail.com> Actually those cards are great cards! That antenna gets wicked long range reception. Great linux compatibility too for anyone interested in the actual card. I love linksys products, I'm not gonna lie ;) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, rwyoung wrote: > > But do I do with this without the card? >> > > Makes a great hat. > > Screw it to the roof of your car. > > Wear it to Burning Man. (and only that). . > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/49fbf45a/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Jun 16 19:41:41 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Jun 16 19:41:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. Or just hand editing HTML pages.. Or OpenOffice docs.. Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything else? I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to configure and maintain for such a simple thing. Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) -- From sidhale at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 19:49:54 2009 From: sidhale at gmail.com (Sidney Hale) Date: Tue Jun 16 19:50:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <b2fa93f10906161649o290044c0hc6bf1b46b9f00305@mail.gmail.com> I'd recommend OpenOffice docs for it's easy exportation to PDF which seems to be a standard for systems documentation. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > But has anyone found a way they think works > much better than anything else? > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple > one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki > is just too much work to configure and maintain > for such a simple thing. > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, > without Java.. ;) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. ~ Woodrow Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/d9cab52e/a= ttachment.htm From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 16 20:04:55 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 16 20:04:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A383327.6000700@windserve.com> I would go with a wiki. Most of the projects I've worked on that had any = kind of coherent and up-to-date documentation had a wiki as its = centerpiece, or at least as a major component. * Programmers, syadmins and most other people who would be editing the pages generally already know HTML, which will take them a long way. Those who don't can learn how to work with the wiki without the learning curve that most CMSes, or straight HTML would impose * There's built in versioning * There's build in collaborative editing * It's easy to cross-reference, and re-categorize data * Most wikis have a built-in search MediaWiki is what I use internally, and at most customer sites, so = hopefully others can chime in with their experience with more = streamlined implementations of the wiki concept. From what I've seen, = MediaWiki has become the defacto standard where the LAMP stack is in = use. I'll spare you from mentioning any Tomcat based implementations. ;) Depending on what kind of documentation you're creating, there's a good = chance that spreadsheets would be a much more expedient way of handling = some types of data. You can link to those, and any other relevant = external documentation from the wiki. Mike Harrison wrote, On 06/16/2009 07:41 PM: > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > But has anyone found a way they think works > much better than anything else? > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple > one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki > is just too much work to configure and maintain > for such a simple thing. > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, > without Java.. ;) > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/78cd9161/a= ttachment.htm From cxmc at yahoo.com Tue Jun 16 20:39:22 2009 From: cxmc at yahoo.com (Donald Rudder) Date: Tue Jun 16 20:39:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <911383.21037.qm@web56303.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I've been tinkering with egroupware... has lots of stuff built in, haven't gotten real deep into it yet.. but so far I like it.. http://www.egroupware.org/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:41:41 PM Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. Or just hand editing HTML pages.. Or OpenOffice docs.. Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything else? I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to configure and maintain for such a simple thing. Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) -- _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Tue Jun 16 20:46:12 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Tue Jun 16 20:41:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CBB@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you can buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look professional. I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some of which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and you can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM To: chugalug@chugalug.org Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. Or just hand editing HTML pages.. Or OpenOffice docs.. Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything else? I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to configure and maintain for such a simple thing. Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) -- _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From dbmchone at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 21:52:56 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Tue Jun 16 21:52:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CBB@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CBB@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <4A384C78.5070205@gmail.com> The issues with a PDF file is that it is a very static format. Sure you can regenerate them after editing a root document but that's no fun. I'm looking for something to manage our disaster recovery plan which will change every time I add/remove/change systems on my network. I'm looking for something that allows us to have a living and fluid document that is simple to manage with versioning and auditing.. I've not really looked at a wiki since I'm not sure how the staff will like that format. -Bret Stephen Walker wrote: > Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. > > With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor > of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add > your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of > contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you can > buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look professional. > > I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some of > which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and you > can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM > To: chugalug@chugalug.org > Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything > else? > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built in > control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to configure and > maintain for such a simple thing. > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From sidhale at gmail.com Tue Jun 16 22:22:49 2009 From: sidhale at gmail.com (Sidney Hale) Date: Tue Jun 16 22:22:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <4A384C78.5070205@gmail.com> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CBB@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <4A384C78.5070205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <b2fa93f10906161922h670e1b79u8b42f556ad5c40b7@mail.gmail.com> Well, if it's an internal document that will be changing on a regular basis, then a wiki is definitely the way to go. I wouldn't see why your staff would find issue with it. Wikis are easy to use and afford top notch search ability. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Bret McHone <dbmchone@gmail.com> wrote: > The issues with a PDF file is that it is a very static format. Sure you > can regenerate them after editing a root document but that's no fun. I'm > looking for something to manage our disaster recovery plan which will > change every time I add/remove/change systems on my network. I'm looking > for something that allows us to have a living and fluid document that is > simple to manage with versioning and auditing.. I've not really looked > at a wiki since I'm not sure how the staff will like that format. > > -Bret > > Stephen Walker wrote: > > Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. > > > > With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor > > of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add > > your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of > > contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you can > > buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look professional. > > > > I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some of > > which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and you > > can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM > > To: chugalug@chugalug.org > > Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > > > > > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > > > But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything > > else? > > > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built in > > control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to configure and > > maintain for such a simple thing. > > > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = "Work out your salvation in fear and trembling." Philippians 2:12 The history of liberty is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it. ~ Woodrow Wilson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090616/d48fadd4/a= ttachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Tue Jun 16 23:16:10 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Tue Jun 16 23:16:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <20090616201610.09082c28@danhplaptop> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. I've got a directory of text files and a Perl script that commits them into a "git" repository, turns them into HTML, and rsyncs the HTML directory with the server. Lets me use Flutterby markup, outputs HTML, gives me much of the Wiki-ness with Emacs-y goodness. MediaWiki does a decent job and if you're running MySQL and PHP anyway isn't all that hard to admin, and there is a way to make it only work for registered logins that isn't too hard to do. I used to use MediaWiki, and used Mark Hershberger's mediawiki-mode for Emacs to extract those pages out into my system described above. Dan From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 03:56:36 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 17 03:56:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] This is breaking news? In-Reply-To: <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> References: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906170056w3d5cf19fi9e153fedb4beaa6c@mail.gmail.com> The funniest part is that I mentioned this at a conference on net-neutrality about 3 years ago to the execs from what was then AT&T and Bellsouth. They just looked at me and said gaming was not on their radar as a pay for service across their network then or in the future. I then spent about 10 minutes explaining the math behind World of Warcraft, at that point 4 million users @ $15 a month... you get the idea. The panel then started asking questions about how net-neutrality would affect gaming and streaming media. At that point the folks from AT&T/BS remained silent. Now we know why. :+P AW On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary Hasty <ghasty@hastypudding.com> wrote: > Sheesh...I even interviewed with em 8 months ago > > On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Wolf wrote: > > > http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-In= to-Gaming > > <http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-I= nto-Gaming>If > you follow these lists, you probably new that AT&T was building a game > development group, oh, about two or three months ago! > > Insider info, FTW! > > -Eric > > -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D= -=3D- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > --- > Gary Hasty > "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/bf5c74a1/a= ttachment.htm From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 17 09:17:21 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 17 09:17:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] This is breaking news? In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906170056w3d5cf19fi9e153fedb4beaa6c@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> <9c0f5dc00906170056w3d5cf19fi9e153fedb4beaa6c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07A3609F-904C-410E-AA20-3811A86903BF@hastypudding.com> <grin> I did get an email back today that they're still trying to figure a way to get me in that group in a couple of months...so I will then be silent on the matter... On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:56 AM, Aaron welch wrote: > The funniest part is that I mentioned this at a conference on net- > neutrality about 3 years ago to the execs from what was then AT&T > and Bellsouth. They just looked at me and said gaming was not on > their radar as a pay for service across their network then or in the > future. I then spent about 10 minutes explaining the math behind > World of Warcraft, at that point 4 million users @ $15 a month... > you get the idea. The panel then started asking questions about how > net-neutrality would affect gaming and streaming media. At that > point the folks from AT&T/BS remained silent. Now we know why. :+P > > AW > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Gary Hasty > <ghasty@hastypudding.com> wrote: > Sheesh...I even interviewed with em 8 months ago > > > On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Eric Wolf wrote: > >> http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/0336243/ATampT-Verizon-Moving-Into-Gaming >> >> If you follow these lists, you probably new that AT&T was building >> a game development group, oh, about two or three months ago! >> >> Insider info, FTW! >> >> -Eric >> >> -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >> Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 >> USGS Geographer >> Center of Excellence in GIScience >> PhD Student >> CU-Boulder - Geography >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > --- > Gary Hasty > "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt > Disney > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/a210020f/attachment.htm From cynicalgeek at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 10:10:45 2009 From: cynicalgeek at gmail.com (Cynical Geek) Date: Wed Jun 17 10:10:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <e40915b20906170710x598127f5qe5b8cd7faaee5ea3@mail.gmail.com> Tiddlywiki On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > But has anyone found a way they think works > much better than anything else? > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple > one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki > is just too much work to configure and maintain > for such a simple thing. > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, > without Java.. ;) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = -cynicalgeek- cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/434ed991/a= ttachment.htm From reed.gregory at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 10:23:58 2009 From: reed.gregory at gmail.com (Reed Gregory) Date: Wed Jun 17 10:24:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <e40915b20906170710x598127f5qe5b8cd7faaee5ea3@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906161937310.19072@w0707.geeklabs.net> <e40915b20906170710x598127f5qe5b8cd7faaee5ea3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <17d926de0906170723m5bb04ffcsb857a21254c18bda@mail.gmail.com> wiki for the quick and dirty, always changing stuff. Although we may have a sharepoint installation soon, to do some of that. LaTeX for the formal/final versions. Easily updatable, can still give our pdf versions for non editable content, and LaTeX is lightweight of course. Reed On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Cynical Geek<cynicalgeek@gmail.com> wrote: > Tiddlywiki > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: >> >> ?I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., >> ?and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. >> >> ?I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. >> >> ?Or just hand editing HTML pages.. >> >> ?Or OpenOffice docs.. >> >> ?Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) >> >> But has anyone found a way they think works >> much better than anything else? >> >> I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple >> one with built in control over who edits. MediaWiki >> is just too much work to configure and maintain >> for such a simple thing. >> >> Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, >> without Java.. ;) >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > -- > -cynicalgeek- > cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- Reed Gregory reed.gregory@gmail.com From ebwolf at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 12:02:59 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:03:23 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] This is breaking news? In-Reply-To: <07A3609F-904C-410E-AA20-3811A86903BF@hastypudding.com> References: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> <9c0f5dc00906170056w3d5cf19fi9e153fedb4beaa6c@mail.gmail.com> <07A3609F-904C-410E-AA20-3811A86903BF@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906170902y54460a7am436dfe49f10e1341@mail.gmail.com> > > > I did get an email back today that they're still trying to figure a way to > get me in that group in a couple of months...so I will then be silent on = the > matter... > Are they trying to beat the fee? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/1d8522ae/a= ttachment.htm From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 17 12:15:20 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 17 12:15:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] This is breaking news? In-Reply-To: <18bb6ba00906170902y54460a7am436dfe49f10e1341@mail.gmail.com> References: <18bb6ba00906160913t355e673ay94f5b3b54f4b1d34@mail.gmail.com> <B1FECB48-A8F5-4937-A494-9DBA60D4CB9A@hastypudding.com> <9c0f5dc00906170056w3d5cf19fi9e153fedb4beaa6c@mail.gmail.com> <07A3609F-904C-410E-AA20-3811A86903BF@hastypudding.com> <18bb6ba00906170902y54460a7am436dfe49f10e1341@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8769CF5A-14A3-4962-BC27-055675821F14@hastypudding.com> Story of my life On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Eric Wolf wrote: > > I did get an email back today that they're still trying to figure a > way to get me in that group in a couple of months...so I will then > be silent on the matter... > > Are they trying to beat the fee? > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/93dafc98/attachment.htm From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Wed Jun 17 13:34:51 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Wed Jun 17 13:29:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Sorry Bret, I thought I was replying to Mike's June 16 original post. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 PM To: CHUGALUG Subject: Re: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. The issues with a PDF file is that it is a very static format. Sure you can regenerate them after editing a root document but that's no fun. I'm looking for something to manage our disaster recovery plan which will change every time I add/remove/change systems on my network. I'm looking for something that allows us to have a living and fluid document that is simple to manage with versioning and auditing.. I've not really looked at a wiki since I'm not sure how the staff will like that format. -Bret Stephen Walker wrote: > Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. > > With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor > of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add > your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of > contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you > can buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look professional. > > I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some > of which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and > you can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM > To: chugalug@chugalug.org > Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this weekend., > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything > else? > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built > in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to > configure and maintain for such a simple thing. > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From dbmchone at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 13:53:07 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Wed Jun 17 13:53:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <67a8dd030906171053l2e5fa4e7j72ae8aac01c85f21@mail.gmail.com> no worries! just discussing :) all good natured On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Stephen Walker <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com > wrote: > Sorry Bret, I thought I was replying to Mike's June 16 original post. > > -----Original Message----- > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 PM > To: CHUGALUG > Subject: Re: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > > The issues with a PDF file is that it is a very static format. Sure you > can regenerate them after editing a root document but that's no fun. I'm > looking for something to manage our disaster recovery plan which will > change every time I add/remove/change systems on my network. I'm looking > for something that allows us to have a living and fluid document that is > simple to manage with versioning and auditing.. I've not really looked > at a wiki since I'm not sure how the staff will like that format. > > -Bret > > Stephen Walker wrote: > > Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. > > > > With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor > > > of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add > > your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of > > contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you > > can buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look > professional. > > > > I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some > > of which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and > > you can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org > > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM > > To: chugalug@chugalug.org > > Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > > > > > > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this > weekend., > > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. > > > > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. > > > > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. > > > > Or OpenOffice docs.. > > > > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) > > > > But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything > > else? > > > > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built > > in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to > > configure and maintain for such a simple thing. > > > > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Bret McHone <dbmchone@gmail.com> wrote: > no worries! just discussing :) all good natured > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Stephen Walker < > stephen.walker@tech-cis.com> wrote: > >> Sorry Bret, I thought I was replying to Mike's June 16 original post. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org >> [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Bret McHone >> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:53 PM >> To: CHUGALUG >> Subject: Re: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. >> >> The issues with a PDF file is that it is a very static format. Sure you >> can regenerate them after editing a root document but that's no fun. I'm >> looking for something to manage our disaster recovery plan which will >> change every time I add/remove/change systems on my network. I'm looking >> for something that allows us to have a living and fluid document that is >> simple to manage with versioning and auditing.. I've not really looked >> at a wiki since I'm not sure how the staff will like that format. >> >> -Bret >> >> Stephen Walker wrote: >> > Most all documentation I see from vendors is in PDF. >> > >> > With Acrobat Standard you can create the basic document in the editor >> >> > of your choice then print to pdf and work with it with Acrobat to add >> > your booknarks, etc that show up on the left side like a table of >> > contents. Everything else is either too big or not "portable" - you >> > can buy Acrobat online for about $100. Caution: It may look >> professional. >> > >> > I use it all the time because I am contantly creating documents, some >> > of which need to be locked or certified with a digital signature and >> > you can do all that very easily with acrobat standard. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org >> > [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:42 PM >> > To: chugalug@chugalug.org >> > Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. >> > >> > >> > I've got to do a lot of "as built" system documentation this >> weekend., >> > and am looking for a reccoendation of a tool to use. >> > >> > I've considered a Wiki. A simple one. >> > >> > Or just hand editing HTML pages.. >> > >> > Or OpenOffice docs.. >> > >> > Of even using Joe to do it all in ascii text. ;) >> > >> > But has anyone found a way they think works much better than anything >> > else? >> > >> > I'm considering a wiki.. but I'd want to use a simple one with built >> > in control over who edits. MediaWiki is just too much work to >> > configure and maintain for such a simple thing. >> > >> > Oh. yeah.. and it must, of course, run on Linux, without Java.. ;) >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090617/7eb2f730/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Jun 17 19:20:50 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:20:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <67a8dd030906171053l2e5fa4e7j72ae8aac01c85f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <67a8dd030906171053l2e5fa4e7j72ae8aac01c85f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906171910460.23200@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Bret McHone wrote: > no worries! just discussing :) all good natured yeah.. it's been a good thread. Educational. I grabbed "DokuWiki" last night.. except for the odd wiki-liki markup language (I'm normally not a Wiki user) it seems to be close to what we needed. MediaWiki is a big fat pig intented for what it does well, a big distributed wiki.. with caching an lots of bells and whistles. DokuWiki seems to be small, file-based and installs with "apt-get install dokuwiki" - all the files are in a directory.. an I can talk someone with limited Linux skills through an install. I'll know a lot more after this weekend. That other people doing dynamic ssytem documentation via a wiki was important.. This will be hosted internally and used by < 6 people. Today we learned where the bypass switch in the 10kva UPS was. Twice. (Ouch) If this was more of a static system, PDF's would be good. Thanks for the comments. :) From dobbsm at windstream.net Wed Jun 17 19:24:02 2009 From: dobbsm at windstream.net (dobbsm@windstream.net) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:24:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] avaya definity Message-ID: <20090617182402.LTRMQ.520655.root@ispmxfep16-z01> got any avaya definity techs around? or at least anyone know of a good free resource? support.avaya is really not any help. From dbmchone at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:31:10 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Wed Jun 17 19:31:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906171910460.23200@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <67a8dd030906171053l2e5fa4e7j72ae8aac01c85f21@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906171910460.23200@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A397CBE.1010508@gmail.com> THere are few things as terrifying as walking into a quiet datacenter... Mike Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Bret McHone wrote: > >> no worries! just discussing :) all good natured > > yeah.. it's been a good thread. Educational. > > I grabbed "DokuWiki" last night.. except for the odd wiki-liki markup > language (I'm normally not a Wiki user) it seems to be close to what > we needed. > > MediaWiki is a big fat pig intented for what it does well, a big > distributed wiki.. with caching an lots of bells and whistles. > > DokuWiki seems to be small, file-based and installs with "apt-get > install dokuwiki" - all the files are in a directory.. an I can talk > someone with limited Linux skills through an install. > > I'll know a lot more after this weekend. That other people doing dynamic > ssytem documentation via a wiki was important.. This will be hosted > internally and used by < 6 people. > > Today we learned where the bypass switch in the 10kva UPS was. > Twice. (Ouch) > > If this was more of a static system, PDF's would be good. > > Thanks for the comments. :) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From meuon at geeklabs.com Thu Jun 18 06:39:17 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (meuon@geeklabs.com) Date: Thu Jun 18 06:39:19 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <4A397CBE.1010508@gmail.com> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CC5@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> <67a8dd030906171053l2e5fa4e7j72ae8aac01c85f21@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906171910460.23200@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A397CBE.1010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51195.190.80.52.154.1245321557.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> > THere are few things as terrifying as walking into a quiet datacenter... I've walked into one twice, full of smoke. APC UPS's both times pouring smoke. Geel olympic event: 3k UPS hurling. From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Thu Jun 18 09:56:06 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Thu Jun 18 09:50:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> When the time comes, you may want to replace the apc with Liebert. They are a little more but perhaps a lot better. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of meuon@geeklabs.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:39 AM To: Bret McHone Cc: CHUGALUG Subject: Re: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. > THere are few things as terrifying as walking into a quiet datacenter... I've walked into one twice, full of smoke. APC UPS's both times pouring smoke. Geel olympic event: 3k UPS hurling. _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From danlyke at flutterby.com Thu Jun 18 10:43:27 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Thu Jun 18 10:43:37 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <20090618074327.7dd86c96@danhplaptop> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:56:06 -0400 "Stephen Walker" <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com> wrote: > When the time comes, you may want to replace the apc with Liebert. > They are a little more but perhaps a lot better. I'm not currently running a UPS because our power is pretty darned stable and my UPS fan is rather loud, but... The only complaint I have about my nearly 20 year old Clary is that the device is fairly loud. But, yeah, Clary is a completely different price range from APC. Dan From danlyke at flutterby.com Thu Jun 18 10:43:27 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Thu Jun 18 10:43:39 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <20090618074327.7dd86c96@danhplaptop> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:56:06 -0400 "Stephen Walker" <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com> wrote: > When the time comes, you may want to replace the apc with Liebert. > They are a little more but perhaps a lot better. I'm not currently running a UPS because our power is pretty darned stable and my UPS fan is rather loud, but... The only complaint I have about my nearly 20 year old Clary is that the device is fairly loud. But, yeah, Clary is a completely different price range from APC. Dan From meuon at geeklabs.com Thu Jun 18 16:54:59 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Thu Jun 18 16:55:01 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] System Documentation.. In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161CE4@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906181651490.25202@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Stephen Walker wrote: > When the time comes, you may want to replace the apc with Liebert. They > are a little more but perhaps a lot better. I'm with Dan.. Price is no object for good UPS if you really need one.. But where I am this weel, for all of the social-political reasons you can imagine and more.. They wanted an APC UPS. Note: apcupsd is an arcane piece of stuff.. Gotta figure it out tonight. They couldn't figure out why I wanted to change it's password from the default... apc/apc From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 18 17:44:34 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 18 17:44:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] eclipse? who use it and for what? Message-ID: <54044.67.167.162.103.1245361474.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> What y'all think of eclipse for languages other than java? -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 18 19:22:04 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:21:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cvs, sourceforge, & eclipse Message-ID: <48754.67.167.162.103.1245367324.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> http://sourceforge.net/projects/autodistrict Trying to pull a read only cvs. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. I assume I'm getting the host and repository path wrong. What would it be for the project at the above url? -- R. W. Young From dave at brockmans.com Thu Jun 18 19:28:37 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:28:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cvs, sourceforge, & eclipse In-Reply-To: <48754.67.167.162.103.1245367324.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48754.67.167.162.103.1245367324.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A3ACDA5.4010105@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rwyoung wrote: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/autodistrict > Trying to pull a read only cvs. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. > I assume I'm getting the host and repository path wrong. > What would it be for the project at the above url? > $ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@autodistrict.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/autodistrict login ? http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=202885 - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAko6zYUACgkQABP1RO+tr2Qe7QCfVmUsMvCjnvLR2vS0E/lMYx1p 4EYAoLLDc//kXTc+b/Jov1HQXsLjYa5k =Wfpc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 19:33:20 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:33:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] KMail keeps crashin Message-ID: <200906181933.20469.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> My KMail (Fedora 11, KDE 4) keeps crashing for some unknown reason. I thought it was the antivirus (KlamAV/clamav) but I removed the antivirus check and it's still crashing. I also removed the spam/ham checks thinking THAT might be doing it. No such luck. Unfortunately, I have no debugging symbols built into this version of KMail. Any ideas how to figure out what's crashing it? From dave at brockmans.com Thu Jun 18 19:37:54 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:37:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] KMail keeps crashin In-Reply-To: <200906181933.20469.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <200906181933.20469.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A3ACFD2.2040906@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Aldrich wrote: > My KMail (Fedora 11, KDE 4) keeps crashing for some unknown reason. I > thought it was the antivirus (KlamAV/clamav) but I removed the antivirus > check and it's still crashing. I also removed the spam/ham checks thinking > THAT might be doing it. No such luck. Unfortunately, I have no debugging > symbols built into this version of KMail. Any ideas how to figure out what's > crashing it? Anything being logged? /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern* ? Start it from CLI, $kmail & and see if anything is dumped to the console when it crashes? - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAko6z9AACgkQABP1RO+tr2SetQCgi38LaJ7bOsxn9Z+Vlz2WDMc/ E8IAn1mFAWxjYymXpFWs2AtDdL7W0V4K =Z0TP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 18 19:38:17 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 18 19:38:11 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cvs, sourceforge, & eclipse In-Reply-To: <4A3ACDA5.4010105@brockmans.com> References: <48754.67.167.162.103.1245367324.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A3ACDA5.4010105@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <33988.67.167.162.103.1245368297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I got it to access by dumb luck . but the anon is asking for a pw which it is not suppose to. <quote who="Dave Brockman"> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > rwyoung wrote: >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/autodistrict >> Trying to pull a read only cvs. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. >> I assume I'm getting the host and repository path wrong. >> What would it be for the project at the above url? >> > > > $ cvs > -d:pserver:anonymous@autodistrict.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/autodistrict > login > > ? > > > http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=cvs&group_id=202885 > > - -Dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAko6zYUACgkQABP1RO+tr2Qe7QCfVmUsMvCjnvLR2vS0E/lMYx1p > 4EYAoLLDc//kXTc+b/Jov1HQXsLjYa5k > =Wfpc > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dee at pcds.biz Fri Jun 19 08:34:22 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Fri Jun 19 08:34:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cvs, sourceforge, & eclipse In-Reply-To: <33988.67.167.162.103.1245368297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48754.67.167.162.103.1245367324.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A3ACDA5.4010105@brockmans.com> <33988.67.167.162.103.1245368297.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <200906190834.23042.dee@pcds.biz> On Thursday 18 June 2009 7:38:17 pm rwyoung wrote: > I got it to access by dumb luck . > but the anon is asking for a pw which it is not suppose to. Technically, I think you're supposed to use your email address as the password for an anonymous login. Whether that's a real address or not is irrelevant I would think. <SNIP> From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Fri Jun 19 08:54:32 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Fri Jun 19 08:54:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] KMail keeps crashin In-Reply-To: <4A3ACFD2.2040906@brockmans.com> References: <200906181933.20469.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <4A3ACFD2.2040906@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <200906190854.32595.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Thursday 18 June 2009, Dave Brockman wrote: > > Anything being logged? /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, > /var/log/kern* ? > > Start it from CLI, $kmail & and see if anything is dumped to the console > when it crashes? > Nothing logged. The only log file of the three you mentioned that actually exists is /var/log/messages. I'll try starting from CLI and see if that shows anything different. There's a bug at bugs.kde.org, but it was put on hold as "needs more info" and they suggested installing the debug package, unfortunately, it doesn't appear that there's a debug package FOR Fedora. :-( From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Fri Jun 19 10:51:12 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Fri Jun 19 10:51:39 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Linux babies! Message-ID: <d06a284e0906190751q1dd4c720t389e5a0c7d2489fa@mail.gmail.com> Heh, not exactly linux related, but I got a kick out of this, my wife said something about Gentoo, and it piqued my interest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlPGM5_VUEoU -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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OTOH, I'm starting the auto-upgrade to F11. Hopefully it'll work right and KMail will just stop crashing. :-) From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 20 11:53:00 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 20 11:52:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] MS ninjas take out snapdragon Message-ID: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> One day it was at computex. The next it was gone and asus was apologizing for showing it. So much for the arm based net books. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529 -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 12:37:23 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 20 12:37:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] MS ninjas take out snapdragon In-Reply-To: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906200937p78414a16k925d4488f31e145@mail.gmail.com> Bastards... On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > One day it was at computex. The next it was gone and asus was apologizing > for showing it. So much for the arm based net books. > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=3D20090619161307529 > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that= 's > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090620/dc9f8d53/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Jun 20 13:27:11 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sat Jun 20 13:27:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] MS ninjas take out snapdragon In-Reply-To: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906201323260.28069@w0707.geeklabs.net> > One day it was at computex. The next it was gone and asus was apologizing > for showing it. So much for the arm based net books. > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529 It's pressure being felt all over. Newegg has apologized for removing my pro-hardware linux reviews for many items.. They kept the one for these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16825104006 But the rest of the ones I have written that mention installing Linux on netbooks and Eee Top's have all been removed. Their e-mail was simple, and mentioned that I violated their review policy by discussing modifying a product from "as intented to be used". --Mike-- From infocop411 at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 14:01:02 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Sat Jun 20 14:01:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] MS ninjas take out snapdragon In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906201323260.28069@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <48600.67.167.162.103.1245513180.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906201323260.28069@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906201101x27d5ae08pe3464021fa627aac@mail.gmail.com> d2VsbCwgSSBkb24ndCBrbm93IGFib3V0IHRoZSBvdGhlciBwb3N0cywgYnV0IHRoZSBMaW51eCBw b3N0cyBvbiB0aGF0CnByb2R1Y3QgZGlkIG5vdCBtb2RpZnkgdGhlIHByb2R1Y3QsIFN1cnByaXNp bmdseSBJIHJldmlld2VkIHRoZSBMaW5rc3lzCldSVDU0R0wgJiBpdCBsYXN0ZWQgYSB5ZWFyIChJ IGJyb3VnaHQgdXAgYWx0LiBmaXJtd2FyZSwgJiBJIGRpZCBtb2RpZnkgaXQgc28KaXQgd2FzIGRl ZmluaXRlbHkgbm90IHN0b2NrKQoKSSBjYW4ndCB3YWl0IGZvciB0aGUgZGF5IHRoZSBXVE8gJiB0 aGUgVVMgR292J3Qgc3RhcnQgbWFraW5nIE1pY3Jvc29mdCBiYWNrCmRvd24uCgpPbiBTYXQsIEp1 biAyMCwgMjAwOSBhdCAxOjI3IFBNLCBNaWtlIEhhcnJpc29uIDxtZXVvbkBnZWVrbGFicy5jb20+ IHdyb3RlOgoKPgo+Cj4gIE9uZSBkYXkgaXQgd2FzIGF0IGNvbXB1dGV4LiBUaGUgbmV4dCBpdCB3 YXMgZ29uZSBhbmQgYXN1cyB3YXMgYXBvbG9naXppbmcKPj4gZm9yIHNob3dpbmcgaXQuIFNvIG11 Y2ggZm9yIHRoZSBhcm0gYmFzZWQgbmV0IGJvb2tzLgo+PiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdyb2tsYXcubmV0 L2FydGljbGUucGhwP3N0b3J5PTIwMDkwNjE5MTYxMzA3NTI5Cj4+Cj4KPiBJdCdzIHByZXNzdXJl IGJlaW5nIGZlbHQgYWxsIG92ZXIuCj4KPiBOZXdlZ2cgaGFzIGFwb2xvZ2l6ZWQgZm9yIHJlbW92 aW5nIG15IHByby1oYXJkd2FyZSBsaW51eCByZXZpZXdzIGZvciBtYW55Cj4gaXRlbXMuLiBUaGV5 IGtlcHQgdGhlIG9uZSBmb3IgdGhlc2U6Cj4KPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm5ld2VnZy5jb20vUHJvZHVj dC9Qcm9kdWN0UmV2aWV3LmFzcHg/SXRlbT1OODJFMTY4MjUxMDQwMDYKPgo+IEJ1dCB0aGUgcmVz dCBvZiB0aGUgb25lcyBJIGhhdmUgd3JpdHRlbiB0aGF0IG1lbnRpb24gaW5zdGFsbGluZyBMaW51 eCBvbgo+IG5ldGJvb2tzIGFuZCBFZWUgVG9wJ3MgaGF2ZSBhbGwgYmVlbiByZW1vdmVkLgo+Cj4g VGhlaXIgZS1tYWlsIHdhcyBzaW1wbGUsIGFuZCBtZW50aW9uZWQgdGhhdCBJIHZpb2xhdGVkIHRo ZWlyIHJldmlldyBwb2xpY3kKPiBieSBkaXNjdXNzaW5nIG1vZGlmeWluZyBhIHByb2R1Y3QgZnJv bSAiYXMgaW50ZW50ZWQgdG8gYmUgdXNlZCIuCj4KPiAtLU1pa2UtLQo+Cj4KPiBfX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+IENodWdhbHVnIG1haWxpbmcg bGlzdAo+IENodWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwo+IGh0dHA6Ly9nZWVrbGFicy5uZXQvY2dpLWJp bi9tYWlsbWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2NodWdhbHVnCj4KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNobWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRw Oi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9jaHVnYWx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDYyMC9l MTRmNTM1NC9hdHRhY2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From ourgodlivz at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 22:40:33 2009 From: ourgodlivz at gmail.com (OurGodlivz) Date: Sat Jun 20 22:41:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Ha an on-topic Linux Q!] Monitor turning off Message-ID: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> U28gSSBhbSBmb3Igb25jZSBzdHVjayBvbiB0aGlzIG9uZS4KCk15IG1vbml0b3IgaXMgdHVybmlu ZyBvZmYsIGFuZCBJIGNhbid0IGZpZ3VyZSBvdXQgd2h5LiAgSXQgaXMgbGlrZSBhCnN0YW5kYXJk IHNjcmVlbiBzYXZlciB0aW1lIG91dCwgc2NyZWVuIGdvZXMgYmxhbmsgd2hlbiBub3QgaW4gdXNl LiAgSG93ZXZlciwKd2hlbiBJIGNvbWUgYmFjayBhbmQgbW92ZSBtb3VzZS9oaXQga2V5cyBpdCBk b2VzIG5vdCBjb21lIGJhY2sgb24uICBJZiBJCnR1cm4gb2ZmIHRoZSBzY3JlZW4gYW5kIHR1cm4g aXQgYmFjayBvbiBpdCB3aWxsIGNvbWUgYWxpdmUuICBJZiBJIHN3aXRjaCB0bwphIHZpcnR1YWwg dGVybSBhbmQgdGhlbiBzd2l0Y2ggYmFjayB0byBYIGl0IHR1cm5zIG9uIChJdCB0dXJucyBvbiB3 aGVuIGl0CmxlYXZlcyBYLgoKSSBkbyBub3QgaGF2ZSBhbnkgc2NyZWVuIHNhdmVyIHByb2Nlc3Nl cyBydW5uaW5nLgoKSXQgaXMgR2VudG9vIHdpdGggMi42LjI4LWdlbnRvby1yMyAoQU1ENjQgWDIg NjAwMCsgaWYgYW55b25lIGNhcmVzLikKCkl0IGhhcyBhbiBOVmlkaWEgY2FyZC4gIFllcywgSSBo YXZlIHRyaWVkIHVwZGF0ZWQgdGhlIGRyaXZlciBzaW5jZSBpdApzdGFydGVkIGRvaW5nIGl0LgoK Tm8sIGl0IHdhcyBub3QgYWx3YXlzIGRvaW5nIHRoaXMsIGJ1dCBJIGFtIG5vdCBzdXJlIHdoYXQg SSBjaGFuZ2VkLiAgSQpjaGFuZ2UgYSBsb3Qgb2YgdGhpbmdzIGEgbG90IG9mIHRoZSB0aW1lLgoK WWVzLCBJIGhhdmUgY2hlY2tlZCB0aGUgcHMgLUEgb3V0cHV0LgoKQXJlIHRoZXJlIHNvbWUgWCBv cHRpb25zIEkgYW0gbWlzc2luZz8KCkkgcnVuIEdub21lIDIuMjYsIGFuZCBpdCBjb3VsZCBoYXZl IGJlZW4gdGhlIHVwZ3JhZGUgZnJvbSAuMjQgdGhhdCB0cmlnZ2VyZWQKaXQsIGJ1dCBJIGhhdmUg YWxsIHRoZSBzZXR0aW5ncyB0byBuZXZlciBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIGNoZWNrZWQgb3ZlciBnY29uZi4K CkkgZG8gcnVuIGNvbXBpei4uLi4gTm8gdGhvdWdodHMgdGhlcmUgaG93ZXZlci4KCkFueSBpZGVh cz8KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNo bWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9j aHVnYWx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDYyMC84MzU3OGNhNS9hdHRhY2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Sun Jun 21 00:06:25 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Sun Jun 21 00:07:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Ha an on-topic Linux Q!] Monitor turning off In-Reply-To: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906210006.25496.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Saturday 20 June 2009, OurGodlivz wrote: > So I am for once stuck on this one. > > My monitor is turning off, and I can't figure out why. It is like a > standard screen saver time out, screen goes blank when not in use. > However, when I come back and move mouse/hit keys it does not come back > on. If I turn off the screen and turn it back on it will come alive. > If I switch to a virtual term and then switch back to X it turns on (It > turns on when it leaves X. > > I do not have any screen saver processes running. > > It is Gentoo with 2.6.28-gentoo-r3 (AMD64 X2 6000+ if anyone cares.) > > It has an NVidia card. Yes, I have tried updated the driver since it > started doing it. > > No, it was not always doing this, but I am not sure what I changed. I > change a lot of things a lot of the time. > > Yes, I have checked the ps -A output. > > Are there some X options I am missing? > > I run Gnome 2.26, and it could have been the upgrade from .24 that > triggered it, but I have all the settings to never as well as checked > over gconf. > > I do run compiz.... No thoughts there however. > > Any ideas? > Double-check the display settings... see if there's something about an inactivity timeout to turn the monitor off. That's what it sounds like is happening... I checked in the Fedora/Redhat method of configuring the settings for the monitor and desktop, but I couldn't find anything. (I think it's probably going to be under the screensaver, under the "advanced" tab, and look for the power management. From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 05:05:03 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 05:05:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Ha an on-topic Linux Q!] Monitor turning off In-Reply-To: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906210500090.14013@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, OurGodlivz wrote: > So I am for once stuck on this one. > My monitor is turning off, and I can't figure out why. It is like a > standard screen saver time out, screen goes blank when not in use. However, > when I come back and move mouse/hit keys it does not come back on. If I > turn off the screen and turn it back on it will come alive. If I switch to > a virtual term and then switch back to X it turns on (It turns on when it > leaves X. I had a system do this a lot, nvidia dual-head setup, and only one of the two monitors (the right) would do it. I swapped monitors, and the right monitor would do it again. I swapped cables.. (both).. still did it. I bought a new video card (nvidia again) and I have not seen that problem again. And that being said, I may have changed something else that actually fixed it during the process. From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 06:13:40 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 21 06:13:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] [Ha an on-topic Linux Q!] Monitor turning off In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906210500090.14013@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <aab32b620906201940u13d52d95j41480b7ceba510c5@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906210500090.14013@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906210313peaeb030k575062e74876ff0c@mail.gmail.com> You could possibly fix it via changing the standby methods in the BIOS Power Management section. Some video cards do not properly resume or can time out in X if the power management schema is set wrong in the BIOS On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, OurGodlivz wrote: > >> So I am for once stuck on this one. >> My monitor is turning off, and I can't figure out why. It is like a >> standard screen saver time out, screen goes blank when not in use. >> However, >> when I come back and move mouse/hit keys it does not come back on. If I >> turn off the screen and turn it back on it will come alive. If I switch >> to >> a virtual term and then switch back to X it turns on (It turns on when it >> leaves X. >> > > I had a system do this a lot, nvidia dual-head setup, and only one of the > two monitors (the right) would do it. I swapped monitors, and the right > monitor would do it again. I swapped cables.. (both).. still did it. > I bought a new video card (nvidia again) and I have not seen that problem > again. > > And that being said, I may have changed something else that actually fixed > it during the process. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/c5062f83/a= ttachment.htm From leprkhn at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 11:05:57 2009 From: leprkhn at gmail.com (E.H.) 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Goes into OSS4(new), alsa, and pulse. I don't pretend to understand it all. But as someone who wants to build studios for prometheus radio it is interesting. http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html -- R. W. Young From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 19:13:20 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 19:13:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix desktop windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x768 one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only have 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to compare methods in the real world. -- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sun Jun 21 20:07:13 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:07:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> what does citrix offer that RDP & VNC does not? Couls always use go to my pc. ;) ducks <quote who="Mike Harrison"> > > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix desktop > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x768 > one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the > bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. > > the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only have > 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. > > Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to compare > methods in the real world. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 20:10:40 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:10:42 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212007140.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: > > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix desktop > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x768 Oh.. and to prove I did my homework: Citrix says: 20kbps. Many people say 60-150kbps. Sun configures 320kbps for each if you are using a graphical application. their usage will be a basic VB-ish business application. No real graphics or web browsing. From ashwilson68g at comcast.net Sun Jun 21 20:11:24 2009 From: ashwilson68g at comcast.net (Ashley Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:12:08 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> it is my understanding that it *should* be less than RDP or VNC, because it is like X in that sends draw commands, as opposed to RDP/VNC/etc... that sends raster images. Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | http://ash-wilson.com On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix desktop > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x768 > one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the > bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. > > the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only have > 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. > > Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to compare > methods in the real world. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/9ce64200/a= ttachment.htm From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:14:12 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:14:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> I dislike Citrix, it seems to bog down easily and crash consistantly On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Ashley Wilson <ashwilson68g@comcast.net>wr= ote: > it is my understanding that it *should* be less than RDP or VNC, because = it > is like X in that sends draw commands, as opposed to RDP/VNC/etc... that > sends raster images. > > Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | > http://ash-wilson.com > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > >> >> Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix desktop >> windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x768 >> one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the >> bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. >> >> the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only have >> 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. >> >> Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to compare >> methods in the real world. >> >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/4c53274e/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 20:21:26 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:21:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212010520.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, rwyoung wrote: > what does citrix offer that RDP & VNC does not? > Couls always use go to my pc. ;) ducks Different worlds Rod: the vendor of a 2.1 MILLION dollar software project says it must be accessed via Citrix. It's a "customer service" application and remote offices with limited bursty expensive bandwidth are expected to login using citrix clients. In these cases, you do what the vendor says... or find another vendor. What does Citrix do? Allow multiple remote individual desktops on each server. It's not desktop control, it's the desktop and application, I'm trying to help the IT director who is also installing our system to get prepared for this other project. It's too late to find another vendor/technology. he's loving that our interfaces work over 14.4k modem and cell modem dial-ups, and realizing the other application is going to take some serious connectivity that may not exist. Business processes will have to change to allow for it. ie: We only deal with these types of customers at the following locations. From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 20:22:53 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:22:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212022030.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Stephen Kraus wrote: > I dislike Citrix, it seems to bog down easily and crash consistantly Which end crashes, the client or the server or both? Any idea what a usable basic business application requires in bandwidth? From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:30:56 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:30:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212022030.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212022030.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <f61562b0906211730m3922bf02n69a53fbf99bda518@mail.gmail.com> It crashes on the client end, Citrix has an issue with multiple sessions on a network. I had issues where it would work flawlessly, never the less it was slow and problematic. The session would crash, and then you would have to login to the server and kill the session because it wouldn't properly recognize that the session had crashed. It ran fine over a cable modem, but it just wasn't a very stable solution. We then tried to fix the issues by moving onto a remote desktop that provided access to the Citrix server that was on the same network....and Citrix still crashed, but the Remote desktop wouldn't, we narrowed it down via logs that citrix was just too buggy. Once we moved off citrix, productivity increased and the crashing decreased a lot On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Stephen Kraus wrote: > > I dislike Citrix, it seems to bog down easily and crash consistantly >> > > Which end crashes, the client or the server or both? Any idea what a usab= le > basic business application requires in bandwidth? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/3983e461/a= ttachment.htm From ashwilson68g at comcast.net Sun Jun 21 20:38:50 2009 From: ashwilson68g at comcast.net (Ashley Wilson) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:39:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <24fcc22b0906211738re182d27va2452fd8c9a3a2f8@mail.gmail.com> Citrix offers the ability to virtualize aspects (applications) of the end-users' virtual desktop environment, placing them across different back-end machines, which is why they were all over Xen. It is kludgy according to everyone end-user (victim) that I have spoken to about it, but it may work better with more datacenter resources allocated to it. I do not think It was built to be efficient. Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | http://ash-wilson.com On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:07 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > what does citrix offer that RDP & VNC does not? > Couls always use go to my pc. ;) ducks > > <quote who=3D"Mike Harrison"> > > > > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix deskt= op > > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a 1024x7= 68 > > one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the > > bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. > > > > the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only ha= ve > > 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. > > > > Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to compa= re > > methods in the real world. > > > > > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/31250c66/a= ttachment.htm From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:41:23 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:41:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <24fcc22b0906211738re182d27va2452fd8c9a3a2f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <24fcc22b0906211738re182d27va2452fd8c9a3a2f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f61562b0906211741yfbce299rf694f802b4907716@mail.gmail.com> Not only is it not built to be efficient, it puts a lot of unnecessary traffic on the connection, is slower than molasses at loading information from its related databases even on the fastest of connections. We had a pretty dedicated datacenter for the citrix server, it just didn't improve the situation at. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ashley Wilson <ashwilson68g@comcast.net>wr= ote: > Citrix offers the ability to virtualize aspects (applications) of the > end-users' virtual desktop environment, placing them across different > back-end machines, which is why they were all over Xen. It is kludgy > according to everyone end-user (victim) that I have spoken to about it, b= ut > it may work better with more datacenter resources allocated to it. I do = not > think It was built to be efficient. > Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | > http://ash-wilson.com > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:07 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> what does citrix offer that RDP & VNC does not? >> Couls always use go to my pc. ;) ducks >> >> <quote who=3D"Mike Harrison"> >> > >> > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix >> desktop >> > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a >> 1024x768 >> > one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the >> > bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lot. >> > >> > the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only >> have >> > 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. >> > >> > Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to >> compare >> > methods in the real world. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chugalug mailing list >> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/419974c5/a= ttachment.htm From ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 20:44:48 2009 From: ub3ratl4sf00 at gmail.com (Stephen Kraus) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:45:12 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906211741yfbce299rf694f802b4907716@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <57784.67.167.162.103.1245629233.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <24fcc22b0906211738re182d27va2452fd8c9a3a2f8@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906211741yfbce299rf694f802b4907716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <f61562b0906211744i5ddd45eyb25691e2189057b2@mail.gmail.com> Just for example: We were running 90 Citrix clients on our network, with an average of 3-5 crashes per hour. Changing from Citrix to Remote Desktop using the same databases lowered the crash rate to about 1-2 crashes per day on a bad day. Switching to Remote Desktop on Windows Server 2003 really improved the overall system, and also cut down on unnecessary traffic, our network utilization dropped from about 85% of the pipe to about 45%-55% with a full load On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Stephen Kraus <ub3ratl4sf00@gmail.com>wrot= e: > Not only is it not built to be efficient, it puts a lot of unnecessary > traffic on the connection, is slower than molasses at loading information > from its related databases even on the fastest of connections. > > We had a pretty dedicated datacenter for the citrix server, it just didn't > improve the situation at. > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Ashley Wilson <ashwilson68g@comcast.net>= wrote: > >> Citrix offers the ability to virtualize aspects (applications) of the >> end-users' virtual desktop environment, placing them across different >> back-end machines, which is why they were all over Xen. It is kludgy >> according to everyone end-user (victim) that I have spoken to about it, = but >> it may work better with more datacenter resources allocated to it. I do= not >> think It was built to be efficient. >> Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | >> http://ash-wilson.com >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:07 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: >> >>> what does citrix offer that RDP & VNC does not? >>> Couls always use go to my pc. ;) ducks >>> >>> <quote who=3D"Mike Harrison"> >>> > >>> > Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix >>> desktop >>> > windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color or a >>> 1024x768 >>> > one? And: How much does latency affect the usage. For example, if the >>> > bandwidth is high, but lagged, does it affct usage a little.. or a lo= t. >>> > >>> > the usage should be on dedicated leased lines, mostly, but they only >>> have >>> > 128k or 512k between locations as it is now. >>> > >>> > Personally, I just SSH into things.. Laughing.. but I'm trying to >>> compare >>> > methods in the real world. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chugalug mailing list >>> > Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >>> >>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>> >>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>> >>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > ______________________________ > Stephen Kraus > UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; > -- = ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't recall seeing any Citrix performance issues. Before the T1 was = installed, one of the managers was dialed in using a plain POTS line, = and never complained about the performance. The majority of the systems there were running at 800x600 or 1024x768 at = the time. Mike Harrison wrote, On 06/21/2009 08:10 PM: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: > >> >> Anyone know what kind of bandwidth it takes to do a single citrix = >> desktop windows session in the real world. Say an 800x600 low color = >> or a 1024x768 > > Oh.. and to prove I did my homework: Citrix says: 20kbps. > Many people say 60-150kbps. Sun configures 320kbps for each > if you are using a graphical application. their usage will be a basic = > VB-ish business application. No real graphics or web browsing. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/36b14494/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sun Jun 21 20:55:28 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Sun Jun 21 20:55:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <4A3ED448.5000201@windserve.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212007140.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A3ED448.5000201@windserve.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212052480.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> > their T1 to the home office dedicated to data. The primary app running over > that link was Citrix sessions, with 10-15 simultaneous sessions during > business hours. Email was the only other app of any consequence that was Sounds like about 46-64k per session might work then.. It's at least a reasonable starting place. I'll also warn them about the crashes... ugly thoughts. From n2nightfall at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 23:36:30 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Sun Jun 21 23:36:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212052480.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212007140.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <4A3ED448.5000201@windserve.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212052480.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906212036q3dff8156me0073a7d2141409@mail.gmail.com> I think Stephen might have just had a bogus install. We used it RELIGIOUSLY at Orrick to do just about everything with our outside clients. It was easy to lock down an application and make it available via a webportal that was linked back to our AD. We had servers crash sometimes, but that is what clusters are for. :+) As for bandwidth we had 2-3 users connecting through the Netscaler (?) via AT&T wireless modems from trial sites with no real performance issues. AW On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > their T1 to the home office dedicated to data. The primary app running ov= er >> that link was Citrix sessions, with 10-15 simultaneous sessions during >> business hours. Email was the only other app of any consequence that was >> > > Sounds like about 46-64k per session might work then.. It's at least a > reasonable starting place. > > I'll also warn them about the crashes... ugly thoughts. > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090621/3730319f/a= ttachment.htm From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Mon Jun 22 00:11:18 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Mon Jun 22 00:09:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D05@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Mike, My experience with Citrix is different from Stephen's. I use it every week and have found it to be very reliable. Citrix has 3 different client possibilities and client behavior can be specified on the server. The only persistent problem I have seen across time has to do with the end-user not exiting the session properly so that eventually there are so man sessions open that nothing works for that user. That is easily remedied. Properly configured, Citrix is very reliable. Print used to be a struggle but since they introduced the universal driver, print is easier to deal with also. I guess what I am trying to say is that you can have confidence in Citrix. If your application has any printer specific dependencies you can work with their IT guy to ensure a smooth rollout. Stephen ________________________________ From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Kraus Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:31 PM To: Mike Harrison; CHUGALUG Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface It crashes on the client end, Citrix has an issue with multiple sessions on a network. I had issues where it would work flawlessly, never the less it was slow and problematic. The session would crash, and then you would have to login to the server and kill the session because it wouldn't properly recognize that the session had crashed. It ran fine over a cable modem, but it just wasn't a very stable solution. We then tried to fix the issues by moving onto a remote desktop that provided access to the Citrix server that was on the same network....and Citrix still crashed, but the Remote desktop wouldn't, we narrowed it down via logs that citrix was just too buggy. Once we moved off citrix, productivity increased and the crashing decreased a lot On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Stephen Kraus wrote: I dislike Citrix, it seems to bog down easily and crash consistantly Which end crashes, the client or the server or both? Any idea what a usable basic business application requires in bandwidth? _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -- ______________________________ Stephen Kraus UB3RATL4Sf00@gmail.com; -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090622/648cecb9/attachment.htm From chugalug at unkmar.com Mon Jun 22 07:35:33 2009 From: chugalug at unkmar.com (Lucius L. Hilley III) Date: Mon Jun 22 07:35:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Citrix bandwidth.. in comparison to a basic web interface] Message-ID: <47625.74.183.61.41.1245670533.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> My work with a previous company had me using a Citrix client. It reminds me of java applets. Slow and prone to crashing. Citrix is a pretty sight to behold. The slowness appeared to be transfer of data. Not responsiveness. I was using it in a ticket system. It felt as if the remote application was virtualized into the client system. The application appeared to run smooth but waited on the data to return in order to do anything. Data entry into a window was as if the system was local. But when you moved to the next window it would have to wait for the submission of data and retrieval of the next window. All in all, It has its merits and I can see why some people would use it. I simply believe that good browser apps can replace most anything for which Citrix could be used. Keep in mind that my experience with Citrix is 10 years old. I assume that Citrix has not remained stagnant during that time. Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar PS: I'm sorry it reads as a ramble. That was the order in which I recalled the performance of Citrix. >> their T1 to the home office dedicated to data. The primary app running over >> that link was Citrix sessions, with 10-15 simultaneous sessions during >> business hours. Email was the only other app of any consequence that was > > Sounds like about 46-64k per session might work then.. It's at least a > reasonable starting place. > > I'll also warn them about the crashes... ugly thoughts. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > From jwells at networksonline.net Mon Jun 22 10:35:41 2009 From: jwells at networksonline.net (Jim) Date: Mon Jun 22 10:35:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Maxtor 80GB HDD In-Reply-To: <f61562b0906211730m3922bf02n69a53fbf99bda518@mail.gmail.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212022030.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <f61562b0906211730m3922bf02n69a53fbf99bda518@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3F96BD.80606@networksonline.net> I am in need of a specific hard drive Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 80GB IDE (This drive shows manufacture date of 2004) If anyone has one I would like to buy it asap Jim From jnylen at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 10:51:13 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Mon Jun 22 10:51:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Maxtor 80GB HDD In-Reply-To: <4A3F96BD.80606@networksonline.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906211906001.30718@w0707.geeklabs.net> <24fcc22b0906211711h1f5fe922xb13c1d48f8f8e2eb@mail.gmail.com> <f61562b0906211714o4509ec5q7d2ef07a4d2e83bb@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906212022030.31965@w0707.geeklabs.net> <f61562b0906211730m3922bf02n69a53fbf99bda518@mail.gmail.com> <4A3F96BD.80606@networksonline.net> Message-ID: <205a4c310906220751t39ec944ct37b1ef17620695a4@mail.gmail.com> http://www.google.com/products?q=3DMaxtor+Diamondmax+Plus+9+80GB+IDE&oe=3Du= tf-8&rls=3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&client=3Dfirefox-a&um=3D1&ie=3DUTF-8&= ei=3DRZo_SvSuA4-MtgfShdj4Dw&sa=3DX&oi=3Dproduct_result_group&resnum=3D4&ct= =3Dtitle On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Jim <jwells@networksonline.net> wrote: > I am in need of a specific hard drive Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 80GB IDE > (This drive shows manufacture date of 2004) > > If anyone has one I would like to buy it asap > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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AW On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Jim Wells <jwells@networksonline.net>wrot= e: > Thanks James hope we can find one locally and not have to wait on E-Bay > shipping > > > Jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* James Nylen <jnylen@gmail.com> > *To:* CHUGALUG <chugalug@chugalug.org> > *Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 10:51 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Chugalug] Maxtor 80GB HDD > > > http://www.google.com/products?q=3DMaxtor+Diamondmax+Plus+9+80GB+IDE&oe= =3Dutf-8&rls=3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official&client=3Dfirefox-a&um=3D1&ie=3DUT= F-8&ei=3DRZo_SvSuA4-MtgfShdj4Dw&sa=3DX&oi=3Dproduct_result_group&resnum=3D4= &ct=3Dtitle > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Jim <jwells@networksonline.net> wrote: > >> I am in need of a specific hard drive Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 9 80GB IDE >> (This drive shows manufacture date of 2004) >> >> If anyone has one I would like to buy it asap >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090622/81676460/a= ttachment.html From n2nightfall at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 23:14:45 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Mon Jun 22 23:14:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] in search of cables In-Reply-To: <24fcc22b0906222000r35fd1214w928bbfc3c54775ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <24fcc22b0906222000r35fd1214w928bbfc3c54775ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906222014i3059b850q6fbbed0e608fe12a@mail.gmail.com> Refresh my memory, what is that cable for. I have 2-3 boxes of power cables floating around the house. AW On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ashley Wilson <ash.d.wilson@gmail.com>wro= te: > Looking for two C19 to 5-15p power cords. Anyone got a couple they are > willing to part with/sell/trade? > > -Ash > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have 2-3 boxes of power > cables floating around the house. > > AW > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ashley Wilson <ash.d.wilson@gmail.com>w= rote: > >> Looking for two C19 to 5-15p power cords. Anyone got a couple they are >> willing to part with/sell/trade? >> >> -Ash >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090622/deafdd5e/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 09:18:10 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 09:18:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question Message-ID: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> Hopefully one of the programmers on the list will know how to get this to work. Im not a programmer, im just trying to modify some code to get it to work. In my backup software there is a script to delete the rsync pid file and what i would like to do is add another command after that, but i cant seem to get it to work. Here is the original script: If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid", 0, true End If Here is one of the variations ive tried: If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" objShell.Run "cmd /c C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true End If I think it might be something to do with the ,0, true at the end, ive tried moving it to the end of my line, tried having both of them there and nothing seems to work. Any body out there have any suggestions? Thanks for the help. -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 10:14:31 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Tue Jun 23 10:14:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > i cant seem to get it to work. VB script is just something I curiously poke with a stick every once and a while, so I might be sending you on a wild goose chase here. I might be able to better help if you let me know any error messages, or if it just looks like it isn't working. Still, I'll try. It looks like this line: objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" is starting the command prompt and then using the old "del" command to delete the file. In your modified version, you're still starting the command prompt to open a program. With google and some messing around, I found that you can modify the line like this to start the program without the command prompt: objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt"), 0, true It might not make any difference to start it like that, but it's worth a shot. I have tested out a code just like it and I got it to work, but I don't have Putty on this machine so I . Also, I've found that sometimes windows likes switches to be outside of the quotation marks, so you might try putty.exe by itself to see if the switches are messing with it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/f5f31f13/a= ttachment.htm From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 23 12:03:14 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:03:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A40FCC2.6010701@windserve.com> I'm not a VB programmer, but as a workaround, what about stringing the = two commands together with && in between. Does the script work then? I'm = thinking of something like: If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid && = C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true End If Nick Smith wrote, On 06/23/2009 09:18 AM: > Hopefully one of the programmers on the list will know how to get this to= work. > Im not a programmer, im just trying to modify some code to get it to work. > > In my backup software there is a script to delete the rsync pid file > and what i would like to do is add another command after that, > but i cant seem to get it to work. > > Here is the original script: > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then > Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid", 0, true > End If > > Here is one of the variations ive tried: > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then > Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > objShell.Run "cmd /c C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd > -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true > End If > > I think it might be something to do with the ,0, true at the end, ive > tried moving it to the end of my line, tried having both > of them there and nothing seems to work. > > Any body out there have any suggestions? > > Thanks for the help. > > = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/c465577f/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 12:16:08 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:16:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <4A40FCC2.6010701@windserve.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <4A40FCC2.6010701@windserve.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906230916o51fcce47oa74fff786b4a627@mail.gmail.com> I thought the && was only for bash/linux? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Matt Rideout<mrideout@windserve.com> wrote: > I'm not a VB programmer, but as a workaround, what about stringing the two > commands together with && in between. Does the script work then? I'm > thinking of something like: > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid && > C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd > -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true > End If > > > Nick Smith wrote, On 06/23/2009 09:18 AM: > > Hopefully one of the programmers on the list will know how to get this to > work. > Im not a programmer, im just trying to modify some code to get it to work. > > In my backup software there is a script to delete the rsync pid file > and what i would like to do is add another command after that, > but i cant seem to get it to work. > > Here is the original script: > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid", 0, true > End If > > Here is one of the variations ive tried: > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > objShell.Run "cmd /c C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd > -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true > End If > > I think it might be something to do with the ,0, true at the end, ive > tried moving it to the end of my line, tried having both > of them there and nothing seems to work. > > Any body out there have any suggestions? > > Thanks for the help. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 12:18:01 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:18:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> The first command runs fine, the one for deleting the pid file, but the second one doesnt do anything, there is no error message i can see. Ill give your suggestion a try and see if that changes anything. thanks for the help. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >> ? i cant seem to get it to work. > > VB script is just something I curiously poke with a stick every once and a > while, so I might be sending you on a wild goose chase here.? I might be > able to better help if you let me know any error messages, or if it just > looks like it isn't working.? Still, I'll try. > > It looks like this line: > > ? objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > > is starting the command prompt and then using the old "del" command to > delete the file.? In your modified version, you're still starting the > command prompt to open a program.? With google and some messing around, I > found that you can modify the line like this to start the program without > the command prompt: > > objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 > 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt"), 0, true > > It might not make any difference to start it like that, but it's worth a > shot.? I have tested out a code just like it and I got it to work, but I > don't have Putty on this machine so I .? Also, I've found that sometimes > windows likes switches to be outside of the quotation marks, so you might > try putty.exe by itself to see if the switches are messing with it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 23 12:20:57 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:21:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906230916o51fcce47oa74fff786b4a627@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <4A40FCC2.6010701@windserve.com> <b131ca890906230916o51fcce47oa74fff786b4a627@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4100E9.3060001@windserve.com> It works in Windows XP, as do some of the other Linux/Unix conventions = like ">". I suspect it works in most or all other current Windows releases. Nick Smith wrote, On 06/23/2009 12:16 PM: > I thought the && was only for bash/linux? > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Matt Rideout<mrideout@windserve.com> wr= ote: > = >> I'm not a VB programmer, but as a workaround, what about stringing the t= wo >> commands together with && in between. Does the script work then? I'm >> thinking of something like: >> >> If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then >> Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") >> objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid && >> C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd >> -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true >> End If >> >> >> Nick Smith wrote, On 06/23/2009 09:18 AM: >> >> Hopefully one of the programmers on the list will know how to get this to >> work. >> Im not a programmer, im just trying to modify some code to get it to wor= k. >> >> In my backup software there is a script to delete the rsync pid file >> and what i would like to do is add another command after that, >> but i cant seem to get it to work. >> >> Here is the original script: >> >> If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then >> Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") >> objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid", 0, true >> End If >> >> Here is one of the variations ive tried: >> >> If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=3D0 Then >> Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") >> objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" >> objShell.Run "cmd /c C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd >> -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true >> End If >> >> I think it might be something to do with the ,0, true at the end, ive >> tried moving it to the end of my line, tried having both >> of them there and nothing seems to work. >> >> Any body out there have any suggestions? >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> >> = > > > > = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/83296231/a= ttachment.htm From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 12:28:57 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:29:35 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > the second one doesnt do anything, there is no error message i can If that's the case, I would say that the VBScript is executing properly, and it's passing the information to the "cmd" program, but the information it's passing wouldn't start putty in the first place. I'm pretty sure at this point that "ObjShell.Run" takes the same info that clicking the Start button and pressing "Run" would (in XP.) I noticed that I could use "cmd /c ipconfig" to properly run ipconfig, but trying "cmd /c C:\program files\putty\putty.exe" did not actually open putty from the "Run" dialogue box in Windows. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/cc4d233e/a= ttachment.htm From dee at pcds.biz Tue Jun 23 12:31:51 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Tue Jun 23 12:32:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <4A4100E9.3060001@windserve.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230916o51fcce47oa74fff786b4a627@mail.gmail.com> <4A4100E9.3060001@windserve.com> Message-ID: <200906231231.51877.dee@pcds.biz> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 12:20:57 pm Matt Rideout wrote: > It works in Windows XP, as do some of the other Linux/Unix conventions > like ">". I suspect it works in most or all other current Windows releases. "Back in the day", DOS implemented a pipe (|) by running the first program, storing the output in a temporary file, then running the second one with the temporary file as input. Personally, I always thought that defeated the purpose of a pipe but ... they didn't ask me. Input and output redirection itself predates Windoze. It would be interesting to find out if Winblows now runs the processes concurrently. That said, I really don't care enough to try it myself. > Nick Smith wrote, On 06/23/2009 12:16 PM: > > I thought the && was only for bash/linux? <SNIP> From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 14:40:24 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:40:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the replies, the && in the line works. partly. It does remove the pid file and it does run putty. The problem is it doesnt close putty, its still running and it doesnt send the email its suppose to either. I can run the command manually at the command prompt and it runs just fine, putty flashes on the screen says "using user foo" and then closes, and i have an email in my inbox. When it runs from the script it runs putty and nothing happens, it deletes the pid file and launches putty but nothing happens. and putty stays running until i kill it. email never sent. but thanks for the help with the script, that was what i was looking for, i just assumed that && wouldnt work for DOS. Now i have to figure out why its not working with the script but does at the command line. How did you test the code? When i ran the file nothing happened.... do i have to have a programming env to run the script? (well there is alot of other stuff in the file, i just sent the part i was working on, and its called by another script, so it might be it doesnt like to run without being called by the other script, who knows) On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> >> the second one doesnt do anything, there is no error message i can > > If that's the case, I would say that the VBScript is executing properly, and > it's passing the information to the "cmd" program, but the information it's > passing wouldn't start putty in the first place.? I'm pretty sure at this > point that "ObjShell.Run" takes the same info that clicking the Start button > and pressing "Run" would (in XP.)? I noticed that I could use "cmd /c > ipconfig" to properly run ipconfig, but trying "cmd /c C:\program > files\putty\putty.exe" did not actually open putty from the "Run" dialogue > box in Windows. > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From jnylen at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 14:52:15 2009 From: jnylen at gmail.com (James Nylen) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:52:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <205a4c310906231152y3eff8269xef4213b08a8ee615@mail.gmail.com> You can run VBscripts by double clicking on them, if your file associations are set up properly. Or you can run them at the command prompt with: cscript script.vbs or: wscript script.vbs As for the email issue, it seems likely that putty is unable to find mail.txt in its current working directory when it is launched through your script. Try specifying an absolute path to mail.txt in that command. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Thanks for the replies, the && in the line works. partly. > It does remove the pid file and it does run putty. > The problem is it doesnt close putty, its still running and it doesnt > send the email its suppose to either. > > I can run the command manually at the command prompt and it runs just fin= e, > putty flashes on the screen says "using user foo" and then closes, and > i have an email > in my inbox. > > When it runs from the script it runs putty and nothing happens, it > deletes the pid file and > launches putty but nothing happens. and putty stays running until i kill > it. > email never sent. > > but thanks for the help with the script, that was what i was looking > for, i just assumed > that && wouldnt work for DOS. > > Now i have to figure out why its not working with the script but does > at the command line. > > How did you test the code? When i ran the file nothing happened.... > do i have to have > a programming env to run the script? (well there is alot of other > stuff in the file, i just > sent the part i was working on, and its called by another script, so > it might be it doesnt > like to run without being called by the other script, who knows) > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > >> > >> the second one doesnt do anything, there is no error message i can > > > > If that's the case, I would say that the VBScript is executing properly, > and > > it's passing the information to the "cmd" program, but the information > it's > > passing wouldn't start putty in the first place. I'm pretty sure at th= is > > point that "ObjShell.Run" takes the same info that clicking the Start > button > > and pressing "Run" would (in XP.) I noticed that I could use "cmd /c > > ipconfig" to properly run ipconfig, but trying "cmd /c C:\program > > files\putty\putty.exe" did not actually open putty from the "Run" > dialogue > > box in Windows. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Try specifying an absolute path to mail.txt in that command. That might be the case, but Putty will actually me an error actually saying that it can't find the mail file when that's the case, and that will prevent it from opening. To me it sounds more like putty isn't receiving the arguments he's trying to pass. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/58c58668/a= ttachment.htm From dave at brockmans.com Tue Jun 23 14:56:59 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Tue Jun 23 14:57:06 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A41257B.7000705@brockmans.com> I don't have a windows box (or even VM, I forgot to load one before I left) right now, but sounds like you have most of it worked out. You might want to check msdn for the shell.exec and cmd, they behave differently, and I think the trailing parameters may have something to do if the cmd shell is visible and possibly if it closes upon completion. From your last attempt here, it sounds like it's not finding some of the putty arguments perhaps? If you don't get it knocked out before then, I'm back on the grid next week, just nudge me on Monday and we'll figure it out on a Win box. -Dave Nick Smith wrote: > Thanks for the replies, the && in the line works. partly. > It does remove the pid file and it does run putty. > The problem is it doesnt close putty, its still running and it doesnt > send the email its suppose to either. > > I can run the command manually at the command prompt and it runs just fine, > putty flashes on the screen says "using user foo" and then closes, and > i have an email > in my inbox. > > When it runs from the script it runs putty and nothing happens, it > deletes the pid file and > launches putty but nothing happens. and putty stays running until i kill it. > email never sent. > > but thanks for the help with the script, that was what i was looking > for, i just assumed > that && wouldnt work for DOS. > > Now i have to figure out why its not working with the script but does > at the command line. > > How did you test the code? When i ran the file nothing happened.... > do i have to have > a programming env to run the script? (well there is alot of other > stuff in the file, i just > sent the part i was working on, and its called by another script, so > it might be it doesnt > like to run without being called by the other script, who knows) > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >>> the second one doesnt do anything, there is no error message i can >> If that's the case, I would say that the VBScript is executing properly, and >> it's passing the information to the "cmd" program, but the information it's >> passing wouldn't start putty in the first place. I'm pretty sure at this >> point that "ObjShell.Run" takes the same info that clicking the Start button >> and pressing "Run" would (in XP.) I noticed that I could use "cmd /c >> ipconfig" to properly run ipconfig, but trying "cmd /c C:\program >> files\putty\putty.exe" did not actually open putty from the "Run" dialogue >> box in Windows. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 15:24:01 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:24:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> Good lord this problem is bothering me. I was testing out your code by just copying it into a .vbs file and running it. But on my system, Putty.exe was in "C:\Program Files..." and for you it was in "C:\BackupPC\..." That was causing the code to fail on my machine, because of the space in the path to my Putty executable. I'm positive that's the same reason it won't accept the arguments for Putty in your code. If you were able to add quotation marks to the code, I'm sure it would run fine. Unfortunately, I can't find a sane way to escape in VBScript so that you can add the damn quotation mark. cmd /c "e:\program files\putty\putty.exe" -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt That's where you need the quotations. You can verify that by copy and pasting it into the "Run" dialogue box. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The entire line had quotes around everything, both commands, what do you think about separating them and putting quotes around just the delete pid line and the quotes around the putty line? or possibly just the c:\backuppc\putty.exe" part? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > Good lord this problem is bothering me.? I was testing out your code by just > copying it into a .vbs file and running it.? But on my system, Putty.exe was > in "C:\Program Files..."? and for you it was in "C:\BackupPC\..."? That was > causing the code to fail on my machine, because of the space in the path to > my Putty executable.? I'm positive that's the same reason it won't accept > the arguments for Putty in your code.? If you were able to add quotation > marks to the code, I'm sure it would run fine. ? Unfortunately, I can't find > a sane way to escape in VBScript so that you can add the damn quotation > mark. > > cmd /c "e:\program files\putty\putty.exe" -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 > 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt > > That's where you need the quotations.? You can verify that by copy and > pasting it into the "Run" dialogue box. > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From danlyke at flutterby.com Tue Jun 23 15:31:50 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:31:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:24:01 -0400 Matt Knox <jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > code, I'm sure it would run fine. Unfortunately, I can't find a > sane way to escape in VBScript so that you can add the damn quotation > mark. Have you tried single quotes? That's my usual fallback if I can't figure out the right incantation of backslashes... Dan From lists at masterforge.com Tue Jun 23 15:57:30 2009 From: lists at masterforge.com (Jason Brown) Date: Tue Jun 23 15:58:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A4133AA.4000505@masterforge.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/b5e0ee7f/attachment.htm From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 16:01:09 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:01:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> Both of these techniques worked for me, but I had to adapt them slightly so that they'd work in your environment. That could have messed something up. If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt"), 0, true End If If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" objShell.Run Chr(34) & "C:\BackupPC\putty.exe" & Chr(34) & "-ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true End If > Have you tried single quotes? That's my usual fallback if I can't > figure out the right incantation of backslashes... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > Yeah, apparently, it's normal to use the Chr() function to insert the character into the string with it's ASCII code. I have to go hug my Python code now and convince it that this thread didn't really mean anything to me. And in case you don't recognize the last name, Dan, this is the same Matthew who spoke to you on the phone earlier. From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 16:18:11 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:18:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <4A4133AA.4000505@masterforge.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <4A4133AA.4000505@masterforge.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906231318l45df8c3wb287fdadbf8fc76a@mail.gmail.com> Yes im using backuppc to backup our windows servers. i use pre/post scripts to do a volume shadow of the drive and then backup the shadow (for exchange/sql/etc) there is a backuppc folder on the server that has other scripts that get called to do the rsync and stuff. but i want to add the functionallity to have it send an email when the backup completes (after it removes the rsync pid and starts cleaning up the shadow copy) currently backuppc only supports sending emails if a machine hasnt been backed up for a couple days. i use to have the mail script in the post command, but i found out that even if a backup fails it still justs the post command aka still sends a "backup complete" email even when there was an error. hopefully this will work better. so if i dont get an email in the morning i know to go looking for problems. backuppc is pretty sweet. I am having a hell of a time setting up linux clients though, the shared ssh keys are giving me fits. i guess the install setup a backuppc user and it set its own password which i dont know and backuppc has to authenticate as the backuppc user on the client. its got my brain feeling like mush about now, been googling and emailing their list for 2 days now and still having problems. ubuntu to centos seemed to work fine, but ubuntu to ubuntu refuses to work, ive upgraded all the boxen to the lastest openssh versions they have, recreated the keys, put them in the proper place and it still asks for a password when i try to login. big headache. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Jason Brown<lists@masterforge.com> wrote: > Are you trying to use BackupPC with windows? > > We love BackupPC, but we just back up with shared folders for the windows > machines since we do not have a lot of data on them. > > But, all of our windows servers have cygwin installed so we can just use > simple bash scripting for these operations (same script works on windows and > linux and Mac usually). > > Saves a lot of headache. > > --Jason > > Dan Lyke wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:24:01 -0400 > Matt Knox <jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > > > code, I'm sure it would run fine. Unfortunately, I can't find a > sane way to escape in VBScript so that you can add the damn quotation > mark. > > > Have you tried single quotes? That's my usual fallback if I can't > figure out the right incantation of backslashes... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 23 16:22:49 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:23:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906231322r6564d85j913ddac6d388d42d@mail.gmail.com> Sweet thanks. Im trying it now, i dont know how else to try it then to run a backup, so i should know in about 20 mins whether its going to work or not. Thanks alot for your help. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > Both of these techniques worked for me, but I had to adapt them > slightly so that they'd work in your environment. ?That could have > messed something up. > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > ?Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > ?objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > ?objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 > 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt"), 0, true > End If > > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > ?Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > ?objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > ?objShell.Run Chr(34) & "C:\BackupPC\putty.exe" & Chr(34) & "-ssh -l > backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true > End If > > >> Have you tried single quotes? That's my usual fallback if I can't >> figure out the right incantation of backslashes... >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > Yeah, apparently, it's normal to use the Chr() function to insert the > character into the string with it's ASCII code. ?I have to go hug my > Python code now and convince it that this thread didn't really mean > anything to me. ?And in case you don't recognize the last name, Dan, > this is the same Matthew who spoke to you on the phone earlier. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From jewstylekungfu at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 16:33:12 2009 From: jewstylekungfu at gmail.com (Matt Knox) Date: Tue Jun 23 16:33:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906231322r6564d85j913ddac6d388d42d@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231322r6564d85j913ddac6d388d42d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ee4bcab80906231333gfa45850la06a99adaffdaaa7@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > i dont know how else to try it then > to run a backup, I've been running this code to test it: Set objShell =3D CreateObject("WScript.Shell") objShell.Run "cmd /c ipconfig" objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt") You can just copy that into notepad, save it as "test.vbs" and then double-click it from the windows shell. You have to make sure you're saving it as "test.vbs" though, and not "test.vbs.txt" because notepad tends to do that when you have "Text Documents" selected in the "Save As..." dropdown. It doesn't delete the file, since I changed that part of the code to just run "ipconfig" instead. And I took out the IF statement, so it doesn't check for the file before running the code. But it does run the important part -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/91ef67e5/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 17:05:27 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:05:30 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> Anyone interested in having a geek swap meet sometime next month? If so I will start advertising in the local paper and ad rags as soon as we find a location. Here is what I have for sale and what I need for it: Nikon D70 -SB600 Flash -18-70mm Lens Nikon DX -70-300mm Lens Quantaray -28-90mm Lens Quantaray -4GB and 1GB Compact Flash Cards -Carrying Case -Extra Battery -Polarizer and UV Filters for all lenses $800obo HP DL360 1U -3.06Ghz CPU 533FSB -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM $125obo HP DL380 2U -2x 2.8Ghz CPU -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM -Redundant Power Supplies -Rackmount rails $150obo HP DL380 2U -2x 2.8Ghz CPU -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM -Redundant Power Supplies -Rackmount rails $150obo Digium TDM411P -1 FXS Port -1 FXO Port $200obo Dialogic T1034 T1 card $200obo 8GB ECC DDR3200 RAM Kit (4x2GB) $150obo 4GB ECC DDR2 5300 RAM Kit (8x512MB) $60 Mackie 1202 Mixer $100 Cisco Lab with: -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) -Cisco 2509 terminal server -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD -ALOT of cables $200obo Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch $125obo 4x Digium IAXy ATAs $15 each w/o PSUs Zyxel Wifi VOIP Phone $100 Apple Airport Express $60 -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If so I > will start advertising in the local paper and ad rags as soon as we find a > location. > > Here is what I have for sale and what I need for it: > > Nikon D70 > -SB600 Flash > -18-70mm Lens Nikon DX > -70-300mm Lens Quantaray > -28-90mm Lens Quantaray > -4GB and 1GB Compact Flash Cards > -Carrying Case > -Extra Battery > -Polarizer and UV Filters for all lenses > $800obo > > HP DL360 1U > -3.06Ghz CPU 533FSB > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > $125obo > > HP DL380 2U > -2x 2.8Ghz CPU > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > -Redundant Power Supplies > -Rackmount rails > $150obo > > HP DL380 2U > -2x 2.8Ghz CPU > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > -Redundant Power Supplies > -Rackmount rails > $150obo > > Digium TDM411P > -1 FXS Port > -1 FXO Port > $200obo > > Dialogic T1034 T1 card > $200obo > > 8GB ECC DDR3200 RAM Kit (4x2GB) > $150obo > > 4GB ECC DDR2 5300 RAM Kit (8x512MB) > $60 > > Mackie 1202 Mixer > $100 > > Cisco Lab with: > -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) > -Cisco 2509 terminal server > -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD > -ALOT of cables > $200obo > > Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch > $125obo > > 4x Digium IAXy ATAs > $15 each w/o PSUs > > Zyxel Wifi VOIP Phone > $100 > > Apple Airport Express > $60 > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/ca906d59/a= ttachment.htm From ash.d.wilson at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 17:31:59 2009 From: ash.d.wilson at gmail.com (Ashley Wilson) Date: Tue Jun 23 17:32:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <24fcc22b0906231427l1a9fcfbcp36c598caf4c269a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> <24fcc22b0906231427l1a9fcfbcp36c598caf4c269a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <24fcc22b0906231431t2d74a84hc0254979ee761209@mail.gmail.com> nevermind, had the 2948g confused with another model. Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | http://ash-wilson.com On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Ashley Wilson <ash.d.wilson@gmail.com>wrot= e: > i want the 2948G > Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com | > http://ash-wilson.com > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Anyone interested in having a geek swap meet sometime next month? If so= I >> will start advertising in the local paper and ad rags as soon as we find= a >> location. >> >> Here is what I have for sale and what I need for it: >> >> Nikon D70 >> -SB600 Flash >> -18-70mm Lens Nikon DX >> -70-300mm Lens Quantaray >> -28-90mm Lens Quantaray >> -4GB and 1GB Compact Flash Cards >> -Carrying Case >> -Extra Battery >> -Polarizer and UV Filters for all lenses >> $800obo >> >> HP DL360 1U >> -3.06Ghz CPU 533FSB >> -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM >> -2x 36GB SCSI Drives >> -CDROM >> $125obo >> >> HP DL380 2U >> -2x 2.8Ghz CPU >> -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM >> -2x 36GB SCSI Drives >> -CDROM >> -Redundant Power Supplies >> -Rackmount rails >> $150obo >> >> HP DL380 2U >> -2x 2.8Ghz CPU >> -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM >> -2x 36GB SCSI Drives >> -CDROM >> -Redundant Power Supplies >> -Rackmount rails >> $150obo >> >> Digium TDM411P >> -1 FXS Port >> -1 FXO Port >> $200obo >> >> Dialogic T1034 T1 card >> $200obo >> >> 8GB ECC DDR3200 RAM Kit (4x2GB) >> $150obo >> >> 4GB ECC DDR2 5300 RAM Kit (8x512MB) >> $60 >> >> Mackie 1202 Mixer >> $100 >> >> Cisco Lab with: >> -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) >> -Cisco 2509 terminal server >> -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >> -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >> -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD >> -ALOT of cables >> $200obo >> >> Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch >> $125obo >> >> 4x Digium IAXy ATAs >> $15 each w/o PSUs >> >> Zyxel Wifi VOIP Phone >> $100 >> >> Apple Airport Express >> $60 >> >> -- >> Aaron Welch >> 423-505-9999 >> n2nightfall@gmail.com >> "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/100407f4/a= ttachment.html From n2nightfall at gmail.com Tue Jun 23 21:00:54 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Tue Jun 23 21:01:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Need to get rid of a rack In-Reply-To: <4a416827.01025a0a.1969.ffff9df8@mx.google.com> References: <4a416827.01025a0a.1969.ffff9df8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906231800p617fcda8lad53b9e20df2883e@mail.gmail.com> I would love to have it. I need it for here at the house. AW On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Ash Wilson <ash.d.wilson@gmail.com> wrote: > I have a DEC Alpha rack that I no longer need. Has wheels, probably around > 24U. It is perfect for switches,routers, and shallow servers. However full > size things, like the rails for my Sun Ent.420R, are just barely too long. > Have doors and backs as well as some cable management to go along with it. > > Offers? > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/148d72d3/a= ttachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Tue Jun 23 23:04:24 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Tue Jun 23 23:04:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Need to get rid of a rack In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906231800p617fcda8lad53b9e20df2883e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4a416827.01025a0a.1969.ffff9df8@mx.google.com> <9c0f5dc00906231800p617fcda8lad53b9e20df2883e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906232004u709c1583o7305f8803869d3d4@mail.gmail.com> I might be interested, what are you asking for it? On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Aaron welch <n2nightfall@gmail.com> wrote: > I would love to have it. I need it for here at the house. > > AW > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Ash Wilson <ash.d.wilson@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I have a DEC Alpha rack that I no longer need. Has wheels, probably arou= nd >> 24U. It is perfect for switches,routers, and shallow servers. However fu= ll >> size things, like the rails for my Sun Ent.420R, are just barely too lon= g. >> Have doors and backs as well as some cable management to go along with i= t. >> >> Offers? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090623/6bf911ad/a= ttachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Jun 23 23:39:05 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Jun 23 23:39:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> I'd like to buy the Cisco Lab for some friends (Linux Geeks and budding linux geeks) in Guyana that need some equipment to learn and play with. This past Saturday, I attended a GLUG meeting: Guyana Linux Users Group and met some darn sharp guys with very little to actually work with. So consider the following sold and I'll pay for it and ship it. Shipping will cost more than the gear, I'll be back in town Friday. > Cisco Lab with: > -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) > -Cisco 2509 terminal server > -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD > -ALOT of cables > $200obo > > Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch > $125obo From infocop411 at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 00:21:50 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Wed Jun 24 00:22:24 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906232121m3bf2c2b2lddb72e54ff52da0f@mail.gmail.com> ZG8geW91IGhhdmUgbW9yZSBpbmZvIG9uIHRoZSBaeXhlbCBXaWZpIFZPSVAgUGhvbmUgZm9yICQx MDAKbW9kZWwgIyB3aGV0aGVyIGl0IHN1cHBvcnRzIHdwYTIsIElBWCBvciBqdXN0IFNJUAoKT24g VHVlLCBKdW4gMjMsIDIwMDkgYXQgMTE6MzkgUE0sIE1pa2UgSGFycmlzb24gPG1ldW9uQGdlZWts YWJzLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+Cj4gSSdkIGxpa2UgdG8gYnV5IHRoZSBDaXNjbyBMYWIgZm9yIHNv bWUgZnJpZW5kcyAoTGludXggR2Vla3MgYW5kIGJ1ZGRpbmcKPiBsaW51eCBnZWVrcykgaW4gR3V5 YW5hIHRoYXQgbmVlZCBzb21lIGVxdWlwbWVudCB0byBsZWFybiBhbmQgcGxheSB3aXRoLgo+Cj4g VGhpcyBwYXN0IFNhdHVyZGF5LCBJIGF0dGVuZGVkIGEgR0xVRyBtZWV0aW5nOiBHdXlhbmEgTGlu dXggVXNlcnMgR3JvdXAKPiBhbmQgbWV0IHNvbWUgZGFybiBzaGFycCBndXlzIHdpdGggdmVyeSBs aXR0bGUgdG8gYWN0dWFsbHkgd29yayB3aXRoLgo+IFNvIGNvbnNpZGVyIHRoZSBmb2xsb3dpbmcg c29sZCBhbmQgSSdsbCBwYXkgZm9yIGl0IGFuZCBzaGlwIGl0Lgo+IFNoaXBwaW5nIHdpbGwgY29z dCBtb3JlIHRoYW4gdGhlIGdlYXIsIEknbGwgYmUgYmFjayBpbiB0b3duIEZyaWRheS4KPgo+Cj4g IENpc2NvIExhYiB3aXRoOgo+PiAtQ2lzY28gNzIwNiAoOHggU2VyaWFsIGFuZCA0eCBFdGhlcm5l dCkKPj4gLUNpc2NvIDI1MDkgdGVybWluYWwgc2VydmVyCj4+IC1DaXNjbyAyNjIwICgyeCBFdGhl cm5ldCBhbmQgNHggV0lDIHNsb3RzKQo+PiAtQ2lzY28gMjYxMCAoMnggRXRoZXJuZXQgYW5kIDR4 IFdJQyBzbG90cykKPj4gLUludGVsIDFVIDMuMEdoeiA1MTJNQiBSQU0gMThHQiBIRAo+PiAtQUxP VCBvZiBjYWJsZXMKPj4gJDIwMG9ibwo+Pgo+PiBDaXNjbyAyOTQ4RyBMMyBMYXllciAzIHN3aXRj aAo+PiAkMTI1b2JvCj4+Cj4KPgo+Cj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaHVnYWx1ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKPiBDaHVnYWx1Z0BjaHVnYWx1 Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L2NnaS1iaW4vbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVn YWx1Zwo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0 dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9waXBlcm1h aWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAwOTA2MjQvOGY2ZmY3Y2QvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 03:54:02 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 24 03:54:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906240054j8800250p68becf800130edf3@mail.gmail.com> Marked as such. As a good will gesture I will also send some extra if you want to pay shipping for it. AW On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > > I'd like to buy the Cisco Lab for some friends (Linux Geeks and budding > linux geeks) in Guyana that need some equipment to learn and play with. > > This past Saturday, I attended a GLUG meeting: Guyana Linux Users Group > and met some darn sharp guys with very little to actually work with. > So consider the following sold and I'll pay for it and ship it. > Shipping will cost more than the gear, I'll be back in town Friday. > > > Cisco Lab with: >> -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) >> -Cisco 2509 terminal server >> -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >> -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >> -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD >> -ALOT of cables >> $200obo >> >> Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch >> $125obo >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young From nick at nicksmith.us Wed Jun 24 09:32:58 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Wed Jun 24 09:33:31 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906240632k12be2643h203c4f4efd7745e3@mail.gmail.com> Well, those got closer to what i wanted. Putty doesnt stay running, but it still doesnt send the email. :-( I wonder if switching the order of them around would have any effect? run putty first and then delete the pid. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Matt Knox<jewstylekungfu@gmail.com> wrote: > Both of these techniques worked for me, but I had to adapt them > slightly so that they'd work in your environment. ?That could have > messed something up. > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > ?Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > ?objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > ?objShell.Exec("C:\BackupPC\putty -ssh -l backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 > 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt"), 0, true > End If > > > If DoesFileExist(Rsync)=0 Then > ?Set objShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") > ?objShell.Run "cmd /c del C:\BackupPC\rsyncd.pid" > ?objShell.Run Chr(34) & "C:\BackupPC\putty.exe" & Chr(34) & "-ssh -l > backuppc -pw passwd -P 222 192.168.6.252 -m mail.txt", 0, true > End If > > >> Have you tried single quotes? That's my usual fallback if I can't >> figure out the right incantation of backslashes... >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > Yeah, apparently, it's normal to use the Chr() function to insert the > character into the string with it's ASCII code. ?I have to go hug my > Python code now and convince it that this thread didn't really mean > anything to me. ?And in case you don't recognize the last name, Dan, > this is the same Matthew who spoke to you on the phone earlier. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 09:40:30 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Wed Jun 24 09:41:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] google ruins javascript e-mail munging In-Reply-To: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <200906240940.31015.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Wednesday 24 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: > looks like google spoiled an e-mail obfuscation technique. > > http://baxil.livejournal.com/266909.html > > Any other techniques to use? > I guess you can no longer use an obfuscated email address... just have to use a form and have it emailed to you. :-( That really sucks! From mrideout at windserve.com Wed Jun 24 10:12:49 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Wed Jun 24 10:12:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] google ruins javascript e-mail munging In-Reply-To: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> I just checked on some pages that use a different JavaScript based = obfuscation technique, and yeah, Google's indexing them. too. :( rwyoung wrote, On 06/24/2009 08:17 AM: > looks like google spoiled an e-mail obfuscation technique. > > http://baxil.livejournal.com/266909.html > > Any other techniques to use? > > = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 24 10:51:39 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 24 10:52:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] 100% VM'd In-Reply-To: <062420091449.25739.4A423CE10006ECD70000648B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> <062420091449.25739.4A423CE10006ECD70000648B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> Message-ID: <2520BBD7-23FB-4727-BD55-E974214F5D32@hastypudding.com> I work with about 200 of them these days On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Ed King wrote: > Anyone know of any businesses that have replaced ALL physical > servers with off-site-hosted VMs? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090624/14f1ff5b/attachment.htm From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 24 10:55:12 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 24 10:56:00 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906240632k12be2643h203c4f4efd7745e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906240632k12be2643h203c4f4efd7745e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090624075512.679efcd5@danhplaptop> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:58 -0400 Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Well, those got closer to what i wanted. Putty doesnt stay running, > but it still doesnt send the email. :-( So have you verified that: * PuTTY is making the connection to .252 and successfully logging on? * Any commands at all from mail.txt are getting executed? (ie: run something like 'date >> log.txt' on login) I'd also strongly suggest switching from an explicitly specified password to a key exchange authorization mechanism. For one thing, my passwords often have shell escape characters in them... Dan From wes at the-wes.com Wed Jun 24 11:06:23 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Wed Jun 24 11:06:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] 100% VM'd In-Reply-To: <062420091449.25739.4A423CE10006ECD70000648B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> <062420091449.25739.4A423CE10006ECD70000648B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906240806p286564caw1142da489e84ef87@mail.gmail.com> Mine has gone about 90%. -wes On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Anyone know of any businesses that have replaced ALL physical servers with > off-site-hosted VMs? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090624/b8fc003e/a= ttachment.htm From nick at nicksmith.us Wed Jun 24 11:13:44 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Wed Jun 24 11:14:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cli help In-Reply-To: <200903241617.27180.dee@pcds.biz> References: <b131ca890903241235j29f5e9c8nfb8ec22dce5f09aa@mail.gmail.com> <200903241617.27180.dee@pcds.biz> Message-ID: <b131ca890906240813p31c5899l874224bdddabe834@mail.gmail.com> Hey Dee, Hows it going? You helped me a while ago with my email script from the cli and i had a question for you. Im sure its a syntax thing, but my problem is that i ahve a "-b" in there to make it BCC and for some reason its not BCC'ing, the -b is being ignored. Here is my cli line: mail -s "some email message on `date '+%F %T'`" -b `cat /etc/backuppc/mailaddy1st.txt` </etc/backuppc/startbkupemail.txt is there something special i have to do with the -b to get it to work? Thanks again for your help. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Dee Holtsclaw<dee@pcds.biz> wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2009 3:35:18 pm Nick Smith wrote: >> Im tring to work on a way to send an automated email message from a >> script im making. >> Ive got it mostly working. >> >> #more email.txt | mail -s "Subject of email `date '+%F %T'`" echo < >> mailaddy.txt > > Why not use this: > > mail -s "My boring subject" `cat mailaddy.txt` <email.txt > > Sure, you can include the date too but that's part of the normal email header > anyway. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From chugalug at unkmar.com Wed Jun 24 11:36:20 2009 From: chugalug at unkmar.com (Lucius L. Hilley III) Date: Wed Jun 24 11:36:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] google ruins javascript e-mail munging In-Reply-To: <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> Message-ID: <51756.74.183.61.41.1245857780.squirrel@mail.geeklabs.com> I've been using forms for a very long time now. Even they can be broken by responding to just one infected user via that same email address. How about using separate hidden divs that contain parts of the email address then properly position them via javascript and make them visible. Just a thought. Lucius L. Hilley III - Unkmar > I just checked on some pages that use a different JavaScript based > obfuscation technique, and yeah, Google's indexing them. too. :( > > rwyoung wrote, On 06/24/2009 08:17 AM: >> looks like google spoiled an e-mail obfuscation technique. >> >> http://baxil.livejournal.com/266909.html >> >> Any other techniques to use? >> From dee at pcds.biz Wed Jun 24 12:37:31 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Wed Jun 24 12:38:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] cli help In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906240813p31c5899l874224bdddabe834@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890903241235j29f5e9c8nfb8ec22dce5f09aa@mail.gmail.com> <200903241617.27180.dee@pcds.biz> <b131ca890906240813p31c5899l874224bdddabe834@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200906241237.31989.dee@pcds.biz> On Wednesday 24 June 2009 11:13:44 am Nick Smith wrote: > Hey Dee, Hows it going? > > You helped me a while ago with my email script from the cli and i had > a question for you. > Im sure its a syntax thing, but my problem is that i ahve a "-b" in > there to make it BCC > and for some reason its not BCC'ing, the -b is being ignored. Just offhand, have you verified the contents of the "mailaddr1st.txt" file? The -b switch expects addresses following it delimited by commas so extra whitespace might be breaking it ... Might also want to try it like this (extra quotes): mail -s "some email message on `date '+%F %T'`" -b "`cat /etc/backuppc/mailaddy1st.txt`" </etc/backuppc/startbkupemail.txt > Here is my cli line: > > mail -s "some email message on `date '+%F %T'`" -b `cat > /etc/backuppc/mailaddy1st.txt` </etc/backuppc/startbkupemail.txt > > is there something special i have to do with the -b to get it to work? > > Thanks again for your help. > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Dee Holtsclaw<dee@pcds.biz> wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 March 2009 3:35:18 pm Nick Smith wrote: > >> Im tring to work on a way to send an automated email message from a > >> script im making. > >> Ive got it mostly working. > >> > >> #more email.txt | mail -s "Subject of email `date '+%F %T'`" echo < > >> mailaddy.txt > > > > Why not use this: > > > > mail -s "My boring subject" `cat mailaddy.txt` <email.txt > > > > Sure, you can include the date too but that's part of the normal email > > header anyway. > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From lists at noctum.net Wed Jun 24 13:04:26 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:05:14 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <9c0f5dc00906240054j8800250p68becf800130edf3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906240054j8800250p68becf800130edf3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <B4BD3989-1F19-45BB-9130-96076E23FD59@noctum.net> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090624/2d49859c/PGP.pgp From nick at nicksmith.us Wed Jun 24 13:33:43 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Wed Jun 24 13:34:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <20090624075512.679efcd5@danhplaptop> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906240632k12be2643h203c4f4efd7745e3@mail.gmail.com> <20090624075512.679efcd5@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <b131ca890906241033y3ce18922i8e188b546e8d754@mail.gmail.com> Im not seeing any logins on the server in the auth.log, or in mail.log file. There really is no logging on the windows machine, ive checked the event viewer and it doesnt show anything. i can run the command manually at the cmd prompt and it runs just fine. strange. i would like to use key exchange instead of having my user/pass in the file, but this is on a windows machine without cygwin, so i have no way to do that, and i dont want to have to install cgywin on our servers. but i do agree that would be better. i just have to figure out what the difference is between running at the cmd prompt and calling the same command from a script. they are being ran from the same directory... On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Dan Lyke<danlyke@flutterby.com> wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:32:58 -0400 > Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: >> Well, those got closer to what i wanted. Putty doesnt stay running, >> but it still doesnt send the email. :-( > > So have you verified that: > > * PuTTY is making the connection to .252 and successfully logging on? > * Any commands at all from mail.txt are getting executed? (ie: > ?run something like 'date >> log.txt' on login) > > I'd also strongly suggest switching from an explicitly specified > password to a key exchange authorization mechanism. For one thing, my > passwords often have shell escape characters in them... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From danlyke at flutterby.com Wed Jun 24 14:31:44 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Wed Jun 24 14:31:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VBS scripting question In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906241033y3ce18922i8e188b546e8d754@mail.gmail.com> References: <b131ca890906230618k44a1f263q49d88e4b36fb63af@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230714q4a6bd771iada535f011b99fc@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906230918v5626887fnda673f11d270adf8@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906230928q73c25168v504e082a5bf027cb@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906231140k74ea5b5mb11bdc43e0a071b2@mail.gmail.com> <ee4bcab80906231224s3794642v852394b5c4243ad9@mail.gmail.com> <20090623123150.399110e1@danhplaptop> <ee4bcab80906231301r1685f95bwebd6f4b905e19d6d@mail.gmail.com> <b131ca890906240632k12be2643h203c4f4efd7745e3@mail.gmail.com> <20090624075512.679efcd5@danhplaptop> <b131ca890906241033y3ce18922i8e188b546e8d754@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090624113144.2bf22f7b@danhplaptop> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:33:43 -0400 Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Im not seeing any logins on the server in the auth.log, or in > mail.log file. Maybe start debugging this by running things on the local Windows machine to find out what's different about the local environment? Run a batch file that touches some local file ("ECHO ABC > ABC.TXT"), if that works dump the environment ("ENV > ABC.TXT"), if that works make sure that your working directory is what you think it is ("PWD > ABC.TXT"), then try redirecting the output from PuTTY into a local file, start from the basics. And take note of where ABC.TXT really is created, for instance. You should see the logins on the Linux box, that you're not seeing those says to me that this is about the VBS environment. > i would like to use key exchange instead of having my user/pass in > the file, but this is on a windows machine without cygwin, so i have > no way to do that, and i dont want to have to install cgywin on our > servers. but i do agree that would be better. PuTTY handles key exchanges just fine. Create a key using the key manager, create a connection in PuTTY using that key, save that connection with a name and use that connection by name when you run the command line. Dan From ghasty at hastypudding.com Wed Jun 24 14:36:56 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Wed Jun 24 14:37:34 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] datango? Message-ID: <CAA5B5D3-94D9-4F99-8058-305AD65C91D8@hastypudding.com> Anyone played with this? http://www.datango.com/index_eng.php I'm on a demo with the company and still not entirely sure what it does...but it is German...so must be good, right? --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090624/b78e14f7/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 15:07:40 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 24 15:08:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <B4BD3989-1F19-45BB-9130-96076E23FD59@noctum.net> References: <9c0f5dc00906231405j6d69267al9cb269fb99179bb2@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906232333090.13274@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9c0f5dc00906240054j8800250p68becf800130edf3@mail.gmail.com> <B4BD3989-1F19-45BB-9130-96076E23FD59@noctum.net> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906241207v725761cdx2a29e6132f2b2075@mail.gmail.com> I will keep that in mind. AW On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Kenneth Ratliff <lists@noctum.net> wrote: > Assuming you're selling all of that for $200 and Mike changes his mind, l= et > me know, I'll be more than happy to drive up to Chattanooga and hand you > $200 for it. > > On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Aaron welch wrote: > > Marked as such. As a good will gesture I will also send some extra if you > want to pay shipping for it. > > AW > > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com>wrote: > >> >> I'd like to buy the Cisco Lab for some friends (Linux Geeks and budding >> linux geeks) in Guyana that need some equipment to learn and play with. >> >> This past Saturday, I attended a GLUG meeting: Guyana Linux Users Group >> and met some darn sharp guys with very little to actually work with. >> So consider the following sold and I'll pay for it and ship it. >> Shipping will cost more than the gear, I'll be back in town Friday. >> >> >> Cisco Lab with: >>> -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) >>> -Cisco 2509 terminal server >>> -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >>> -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) >>> -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD >>> -ALOT of cables >>> $200obo >>> >>> Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch >>> $125obo >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090624/db4ec1e3/a= ttachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 16:01:39 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Wed Jun 24 16:01:41 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] 100% VM'd In-Reply-To: <b399d1c10906240806p286564caw1142da489e84ef87@mail.gmail.com> References: <52027.66.129.4.209.1245845857.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A423461.2080903@windserve.com> <062420091449.25739.4A423CE10006ECD70000648B22218675169B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0E900102070797900A080C@att.net> <b399d1c10906240806p286564caw1142da489e84ef87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906241301i9753293l239492a5f57e01fa@mail.gmail.com> Most of the companies I know only put their BC/DR VMs off-site. Most production stuff (with the exception of some web portals) is all kept onsite. AW On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:06 AM, wes <wes@the-wes.com> wrote: > Mine has gone about 90%. > > -wes > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed King <chevyiinova@bellsouth.net>wrote: > >> Anyone know of any businesses that have replaced ALL physical servers wi= th >> off-site-hosted VMs? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had lunch with them today talking about NAS/SAN solutions. Just wondering if anyone can give me a "reputation" check on them... Thanks! From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 12:47:04 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Thu Jun 25 12:47:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] KMail keeps crashin In-Reply-To: <200906191822.01931.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <200906181933.20469.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <200906190854.32595.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <200906191822.01931.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906251247.04915.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Friday 19 June 2009, John Aldrich wrote: > On Friday 19 June 2009, John Aldrich wrote: > > Nothing logged. The only log file of the three you mentioned that > > actually exists is /var/log/messages. I'll try starting from CLI and > > see if that shows anything different. There's a bug at bugs.kde.org, > > but it was put on hold as "needs more info" and they suggested > > installing the debug package, unfortunately, it doesn't appear that > > there's a debug package FOR Fedora. > > Found the debug package. Hopefully it'll crash with a debug now... OTOH, > I'm starting the auto-upgrade to F11. Hopefully it'll work right and > KMail will just stop crashing. :-) > Well, it's been the better part of a week now and no crashes in KMail. Looks like upgrading to F11 fixed whatever the problem was (crossing fingers!) From stephen.walker at tech-cis.com Thu Jun 25 13:48:52 2009 From: stephen.walker at tech-cis.com (Stephen Walker) Date: Thu Jun 25 13:45:04 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet Message-ID: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D45@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> what generation are the HP DL servers? ________________________________ From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Aaron welch Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:05 PM To: CHUGALUG Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet Anyone interested in having a geek swap meet sometime next month? If so I will start advertising in the local paper and ad rags as soon as we find a location. Here is what I have for sale and what I need for it: Nikon D70 -SB600 Flash -18-70mm Lens Nikon DX -70-300mm Lens Quantaray -28-90mm Lens Quantaray -4GB and 1GB Compact Flash Cards -Carrying Case -Extra Battery -Polarizer and UV Filters for all lenses $800obo HP DL360 1U -3.06Ghz CPU 533FSB -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM $125obo HP DL380 2U -2x 2.8Ghz CPU -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM -Redundant Power Supplies -Rackmount rails $150obo HP DL380 2U -2x 2.8Ghz CPU -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM -2x 36GB SCSI Drives -CDROM -Redundant Power Supplies -Rackmount rails $150obo Digium TDM411P -1 FXS Port -1 FXO Port $200obo Dialogic T1034 T1 card $200obo 8GB ECC DDR3200 RAM Kit (4x2GB) $150obo 4GB ECC DDR2 5300 RAM Kit (8x512MB) $60 Mackie 1202 Mixer $100 Cisco Lab with: -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) -Cisco 2509 terminal server -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD -ALOT of cables $200obo Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch $125obo 4x Digium IAXy ATAs $15 each w/o PSUs Zyxel Wifi VOIP Phone $100 Apple Airport Express $60 -- Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090625/3ddef2d3/attachment.htm From n2nightfall at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 13:54:16 2009 From: n2nightfall at gmail.com (Aaron welch) Date: Thu Jun 25 13:54:18 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D45@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D45@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <9c0f5dc00906251054h340b9a19v653245b341d983c3@mail.gmail.com> They are G3's. AW On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Stephen Walker <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com > wrote: > what generation are the HP DL servers? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto: > chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron welch > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:05 PM > *To:* CHUGALUG > *Subject:* [Chugalug] Stuff for sale... and geek swap meet > > Anyone interested in having a geek swap meet sometime next month? If so I > will start advertising in the local paper and ad rags as soon as we find a > location. > > Here is what I have for sale and what I need for it: > > Nikon D70 > -SB600 Flash > -18-70mm Lens Nikon DX > -70-300mm Lens Quantaray > -28-90mm Lens Quantaray > -4GB and 1GB Compact Flash Cards > -Carrying Case > -Extra Battery > -Polarizer and UV Filters for all lenses > $800obo > > HP DL360 1U > -3.06Ghz CPU 533FSB > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > $125obo > > HP DL380 2U > -2x 2.8Ghz CPU > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > -Redundant Power Supplies > -Rackmount rails > $150obo > > HP DL380 2U > -2x 2.8Ghz CPU > -1GB PC2100 ECC DDR RAM > -2x 36GB SCSI Drives > -CDROM > -Redundant Power Supplies > -Rackmount rails > $150obo > > Digium TDM411P > -1 FXS Port > -1 FXO Port > $200obo > > Dialogic T1034 T1 card > $200obo > > 8GB ECC DDR3200 RAM Kit (4x2GB) > $150obo > > 4GB ECC DDR2 5300 RAM Kit (8x512MB) > $60 > > Mackie 1202 Mixer > $100 > > Cisco Lab with: > -Cisco 7206 (8x Serial and 4x Ethernet) > -Cisco 2509 terminal server > -Cisco 2620 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Cisco 2610 (2x Ethernet and 4x WIC slots) > -Intel 1U 3.0Ghz 512MB RAM 18GB HD > -ALOT of cables > $200obo > > Cisco 2948G L3 Layer 3 switch > $125obo > > 4x Digium IAXy ATAs > $15 each w/o PSUs > > Zyxel Wifi VOIP Phone > $100 > > Apple Airport Express > $60 > > -- > Aaron Welch > 423-505-9999 > n2nightfall@gmail.com > "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young From infocop411 at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 14:24:28 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Thu Jun 25 14:25:03 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Dynamix Group out of Atlanta In-Reply-To: <200906251246.18003.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <200906251246.18003.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906251124p3ac60289ob2ae6534171cb027@mail.gmail.com> SSBoYXZlIHNvbWUgZnJpZW5kcyBJIGNvdWxkIGFzaywgSSBhbSBvbmx5IGF3YXJlIHRoYXQgdGhl eSBleGlzdCwgYXMgYQpmcmllbmQga2VlcHMgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGZpbmQgcmVhc29ucyBmb3IgbWUg dG8gYnVybiBnYXMgZG93biB0aGVyZQoKT24gVGh1LCBKdW4gMjUsIDIwMDkgYXQgMTI6NDYgUE0s IEpvaG4gQWxkcmljaCA8am1hbGRyaWNoQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cgo+IEFueW9uZSBrbm93 IGFueXRoaW5nIGFib3V0IHRoZSBEeW5hbWl4IEdyb3VwIG91dCBvZiB0aGUgTWV0cm8gQXRsYW50 YSBhcmVhPwo+IEhhZCBsdW5jaCB3aXRoIHRoZW0gdG9kYXkgdGFsa2luZyBhYm91dCBOQVMvU0FO IHNvbHV0aW9ucy4gSnVzdCB3b25kZXJpbmcKPiBpZiBhbnlvbmUgY2FuIGdpdmUgbWUgYSAicmVw dXRhdGlvbiIgY2hlY2sgb24gdGhlbS4uLgo+Cj4gVGhhbmtzIQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCj4gQ2h1Z2FsdWcgbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0Cj4g Q2h1Z2FsdWdAY2h1Z2FsdWcub3JnCj4gaHR0cDovL2dlZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxt YW4vbGlzdGluZm8vY2h1Z2FsdWcKPgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLSBuZXh0IHBhcnQgLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0KQW4gSFRNTCBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyBzY3J1YmJlZC4uLgpVUkw6IGh0dHA6Ly9nZWVr bGFicy5uZXQvcGlwZXJtYWlsL2NodWdhbHVnL2F0dGFjaG1lbnRzLzIwMDkwNjI1L2E1NzU4YTE0 L2F0dGFjaG1lbnQuaHRtCg== From dee at pcds.biz Thu Jun 25 15:07:12 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Thu Jun 25 15:07:47 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Fwd: [Full-disclosure] Make the Web Faster, PHP Tips from Google Message-ID: <200906251507.12812.dee@pcds.biz> From the Full-disclosure list ... just in case anyone hadn't seen this. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090625/bb2190ce/attachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 16:09:07 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:09:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] redhat and startup script In-Reply-To: <628E7A8A-4C5A-4DE2-8506-E9F75C276940@hastypudding.com> References: <628E7A8A-4C5A-4DE2-8506-E9F75C276940@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <200906251609.07377.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Thursday 25 June 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > Brains foggy and don't have a redhat box to play with. To run a > startup script at boot it in /etc/rc.3/ right? Does this pass a > "start" parameter automatically? > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ is the correct path (at least in Fedora 11... should be close enough for Government work) And it needs to be named "S<##><scriptname>" where <##> is a 2-digit number. From dee at pcds.biz Thu Jun 25 16:22:45 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:23:20 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] redhat and startup script In-Reply-To: <200906251609.07377.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <628E7A8A-4C5A-4DE2-8506-E9F75C276940@hastypudding.com> <200906251609.07377.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200906251622.45455.dee@pcds.biz> On Thursday 25 June 2009 4:09:07 pm John Aldrich wrote: > On Thursday 25 June 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > > Brains foggy and don't have a redhat box to play with. To run a > > startup script at boot it in /etc/rc.3/ right? Does this pass a > > "start" parameter automatically? > > /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ is the correct path (at least in Fedora 11... should be > close enough for Government work) > And it needs to be named "S<##><scriptname>" where <##> is a 2-digit > number. > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug Which folder to use depends on what runlevel it's being started in. Using 3 is fine for text console but, if you're coming up with a graphical login (gdm/kdm), then you want runlevel 5 (rc5.d) instead. Or, you could just put the script into /etc/init.d and then type: chkconfig --level 235 <name> on Where "<name>" is the name of the script in /etc/init.d (And, yes, it does get called with "start") From ghasty at hastypudding.com Thu Jun 25 16:29:25 2009 From: ghasty at hastypudding.com (Gary Hasty) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:29:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] redhat and startup script In-Reply-To: <200906251622.45455.dee@pcds.biz> References: <628E7A8A-4C5A-4DE2-8506-E9F75C276940@hastypudding.com> <200906251609.07377.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <200906251622.45455.dee@pcds.biz> Message-ID: <0E899CF1-87E2-4C9F-A89F-5D105190C7D8@hastypudding.com> kewl...got it rolling On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > On Thursday 25 June 2009 4:09:07 pm John Aldrich wrote: >> On Thursday 25 June 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: >>> Brains foggy and don't have a redhat box to play with. To run a >>> startup script at boot it in /etc/rc.3/ right? Does this pass a >>> "start" parameter automatically? >> >> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ is the correct path (at least in Fedora 11... >> should be >> close enough for Government work) >> And it needs to be named "S<##><scriptname>" where <##> is a 2-digit >> number. >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > Which folder to use depends on what runlevel it's being started in. > Using 3 is > fine for text console but, if you're coming up with a graphical login > (gdm/kdm), then you want runlevel 5 (rc5.d) instead. > > Or, you could just put the script into /etc/init.d and then type: > > chkconfig --level 235 <name> on > > Where "<name>" is the name of the script in /etc/init.d > > (And, yes, it does get called with "start") > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug --- Gary Hasty "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt Disney -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090625/a2363521/attachment.htm From dee at pcds.biz Thu Jun 25 16:37:40 2009 From: dee at pcds.biz (Dee Holtsclaw) Date: Thu Jun 25 16:38:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] redhat and startup script In-Reply-To: <0E899CF1-87E2-4C9F-A89F-5D105190C7D8@hastypudding.com> References: <628E7A8A-4C5A-4DE2-8506-E9F75C276940@hastypudding.com> <200906251622.45455.dee@pcds.biz> <0E899CF1-87E2-4C9F-A89F-5D105190C7D8@hastypudding.com> Message-ID: <200906251637.41280.dee@pcds.biz> On Thursday 25 June 2009 4:29:25 pm Gary Hasty wrote: > kewl...got it rolling Good deal. BTW, you can add some comments to the script to make this much less painful. Then typing "chkconfig --add <name>" will set everything up just how you want it. From the chkconfig man page: Each service which should be manageable by chkconfig needs two or more commented lines added to its init.d script. The first line tells chkconfig what runlevels the service should be started in by default, as well as the start and stop priority levels. If the service should not, by default, be started in any runlevels, a - should be used in place of the runlevels list. The second line contains a description for the service, and may be extended across multiple lines with backslash continuation. For example, random.init has these three lines: # chkconfig: 2345 20 80 # description: Saves and restores system entropy pool for \ # higher quality random number generation. This says that the random script should be started in levels 2, 3, 4, and 5, that its start priority should be 20, and that its stop priority should be 80. You should be able to figure out what the description says; the \ causes the line to be continued. The extra space in front of the line is ignored. > > On Jun 25, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > > On Thursday 25 June 2009 4:09:07 pm John Aldrich wrote: > >> On Thursday 25 June 2009, Gary Hasty wrote: > >>> Brains foggy and don't have a redhat box to play with. To run a > >>> startup script at boot it in /etc/rc.3/ right? Does this pass a > >>> "start" parameter automatically? > >> > >> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/ is the correct path (at least in Fedora 11... > >> should be > >> close enough for Government work) > >> And it needs to be named "S<##><scriptname>" where <##> is a 2-digit > >> number. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chugalug mailing list > >> Chugalug@chugalug.org > >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > Which folder to use depends on what runlevel it's being started in. > > Using 3 is > > fine for text console but, if you're coming up with a graphical login > > (gdm/kdm), then you want runlevel 5 (rc5.d) instead. > > > > Or, you could just put the script into /etc/init.d and then type: > > > > chkconfig --level 235 <name> on > > > > Where "<name>" is the name of the script in /etc/init.d > > > > (And, yes, it does get called with "start") > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > --- > Gary Hasty > "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt > Disney From meuon at geeklabs.com Thu Jun 25 19:29:26 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Thu Jun 25 19:29:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Fwd: [Full-disclosure] Make the Web Faster, PHP Tips from Google In-Reply-To: <200906251507.12812.dee@pcds.biz> References: <200906251507.12812.dee@pcds.biz> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906251916450.18785@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Dee Holtsclaw wrote: > From the Full-disclosure list ... just in case anyone hadn't seen this. > http://code.google.com/speed/articles/optimizing-php.html > Wow, look at that first example gem. I think I'm 3 for 4... the wrong way. and I think case/switch is a "recent" PHP function, Laughing.. From dave at brockmans.com Thu Jun 25 20:34:59 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Thu Jun 25 20:35:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Fwd: [Full-disclosure] Make the Web Faster, PHP Tips from Google In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906251916450.18785@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <200906251507.12812.dee@pcds.biz> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906251916450.18785@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A4417B3.1090908@brockmans.com> Mike Harrison wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Dee Holtsclaw wrote: >> From the Full-disclosure list ... just in case anyone hadn't seen this. >> http://code.google.com/speed/articles/optimizing-php.html >> Wow, look at that first example gem. > > I think I'm 3 for 4... the wrong way. > > and I think case/switch is a "recent" PHP function, Laughing.. I'm with you Mike... things like this are very important, and often left out of the tutorials and examples, and even books! I've tried to be more conscious of the strings (using single quotes vs double quotes), but I'm very bad about using short variables, especially with form driven applications. I suppose I could use pointer variables to minimize the memory utilization, although passing by reference in PHP is like a dirty word like it was in VB :) -Dave From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Thu Jun 25 23:36:26 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Thu Jun 25 23:36:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] totem & vCD creation Message-ID: <36326.67.167.162.103.1245987386.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Im trying to burn some small movies to CD using the VCD plugin for totem. It doesn't like my CD-r. I think part of it is on the burn tab SVCD is selected. But the box is greyed out and it won't let me select VCD. Can't figure out why it defaults to SVCD. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 26 09:06:31 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 26 09:06:33 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] totem & vCD creation In-Reply-To: <36326.67.167.162.103.1245987386.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <36326.67.167.162.103.1245987386.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <65434.66.129.4.209.1246021591.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> It looks like it is a brasero problem or one iof its subsystems. <quote who="rwyoung"> > Im trying to burn some small movies to CD using the VCD plugin for totem. > It doesn't like my CD-r. I think part of it is on the burn tab SVCD is > selected. But the box is greyed out and it won't let me select VCD. > Can't figure out why it defaults to SVCD. > > -- > R. W. Young From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 26 09:40:04 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 26 09:40:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] fortran SPICE or CSPICE Message-ID: <65014.66.129.4.209.1246023604.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I've stumbled across xplanet and the SPICE library. http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/Gallery/20040701_saturn/ http://dobbscodetalk.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Porting-the-SPICE-Library.html&Itemid=29 So does it matter which version of the library I compile. -- R. W. Young From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Fri Jun 26 13:04:05 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:04:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... Message-ID: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Just signed up... Is there anybody out there? ET From nick at nicksmith.us Fri Jun 26 13:10:56 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:11:32 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <b131ca890906261010t3586c8d7q4cc2e8e64f29de73@mail.gmail.com> Welcome! On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > Just signed up... > Is there anybody out there? > ET > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From dbmchone at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 13:11:52 2009 From: dbmchone at gmail.com (Bret McHone) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:12:27 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <4A450158.6000209@gmail.com> shhhhh.... you might wake the sleeping beast! Welcome to Chugalug! -Bret kitepilot@kitepilot.com wrote: > Just signed up... > Is there anybody out there? > ET > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From nick at nicksmith.us Fri Jun 26 13:12:34 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:13:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> What is KitePilot Linux? On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > Just signed up... > Is there anybody out there? > ET > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 26 13:52:18 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:52:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] E-waste & freegeek chattanooga/digital angels Message-ID: <61082.66.129.4.209.1246038738.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Just checked my work e-mail. Need to do that more often. EPA Atlanta wants to set up a conference call with me about e-waste in our area. Also talked with Mace Clarridge at Orange Grove. He tells me they are using linux there in office. I might be able to get him to give a talk. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Fri Jun 26 13:54:57 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Fri Jun 26 13:54:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> So there is people here... :) >> What is KitePilot Linux? 8) It is just my ambitious and egocentric instantiation of LFS (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) I wrote a shell script (or a system of rather) that allows me to instantiate an LFS machine from pre-built packages with a final product that is essentially a run-of-the-mill LFS machine. It can be seen at: http://www.kitepilot.com/LFS I will be using it shortly to instantiate my own servers and firewall. It comes with a "extendable" script that allows you to replicate a machine. For example, if you follow my (rather geeky) instructions to instantiate a machine, and then run the "replicate me" script, you will end up with a replica of the machine I used to develop the script. I have a friend running his firewall out of my script, but nobody else is using it. I plan on publishing it in Freashmeat or Sourceforge (or both) when I have a better product. ET Nick Smith writes: > What is KitePilot Linux? > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, > kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: >> Just signed up... >> Is there anybody out there? >> ET >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Fri Jun 26 16:02:23 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Fri Jun 26 16:02:24 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Pass to your Mid tenn contacts Message-ID: <57130.66.129.4.209.1246046543.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Born Again Technologies (a free geek affiliate) needs some help. http://www.bornagaintechnologies.org/ Rutherford County has begun taking e-waste. So now they are not getting many systems. It has begone threatening their mission. They just finished setting up a school & hospital in Haiti. So if you know anyone in Middle Tenn. who can donate systems, pass this on to them. -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From infocop411 at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 17:36:43 2009 From: infocop411 at gmail.com (Zach Gibbens) Date: Fri Jun 26 17:37:17 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Pass to your Mid tenn contacts In-Reply-To: <57130.66.129.4.209.1246046543.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <57130.66.129.4.209.1246046543.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <d38d3bef0906261436i560e8076ve181e5ec383c194e@mail.gmail.com> SSBrbm93IHNvbWVvbmUgZ29pbmcgdG9tbW9yb3csIEknbGwgc3ByZWFkIHRoaXMgbmV3cywgJiBo b3BlZnVsbHkgdGhpcyB3aWxsCmNoYW5nZSBmb3IgdGhlIGJldHRlcgoKT24gRnJpLCBKdW4gMjYs IDIwMDkgYXQgNDowMiBQTSwgcnd5b3VuZyA8cnd5b3VuZ0BjaGF0dGFub29nYS5uZXQ+IHdyb3Rl OgoKPiBCb3JuIEFnYWluIFRlY2hub2xvZ2llcyAoYSBmcmVlIGdlZWsgYWZmaWxpYXRlKSBuZWVk cyBzb21lIGhlbHAuCj4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5ib3JuYWdhaW50ZWNobm9sb2dpZXMub3JnLwo+IFJ1 dGhlcmZvcmQgQ291bnR5IGhhcyBiZWd1biB0YWtpbmcgZS13YXN0ZS4KPiBTbyBub3cgdGhleSBh cmUgbm90IGdldHRpbmcgbWFueSBzeXN0ZW1zLgo+IEl0IGhhcyBiZWdvbmUgdGhyZWF0ZW5pbmcg dGhlaXIgbWlzc2lvbi4KPiBUaGV5IGp1c3QgZmluaXNoZWQgc2V0dGluZyB1cCBhIHNjaG9vbCAm IGhvc3BpdGFsIGluIEhhaXRpLgo+IFNvIGlmIHlvdSBrbm93IGFueW9uZSBpbiBNaWRkbGUgVGVu bi4gd2hvIGNhbiBkb25hdGUgc3lzdGVtcywgcGFzcyB0aGlzIG9uCj4gdG8gdGhlbS4KPgo+Cj4g LS0KPiBSLiBXLiBZb3VuZwo+Cj4gIlRoZXJlJ3MgY2xhc3Mgd2FyZmFyZSBhbGwgcmlnaHQuIEJ1 dCBpdCdzIG15IGNsYXNzLCB0aGUgcmljaCBjbGFzcywKPiB0aGF0J3MgbWFraW5nIHdhciwgYW5k IHdlJ3JlIHdpbm5pbmcuIiAtV2FycmVuIEJ1ZmZldHQKPgo+ICJCZWluZyBjYWxsZWQgdmluZGlj dGl2ZSBhbmQgcGFydGlzYW4gYnkgVG9tIERlTGF5IGlzIGxpa2UgYmVpbmcgY2FsbGVkCj4gdWds eSBieSBhIGZyb2csIiAtUm9ubmllIEVhcmxlLCBBdXN0aW4gVGV4YXMgREEKPgo+IGh0dHA6Ly93 d3cuZ3BvZnRuLm9yZwo+IGh0dHA6Ly90bi5ncmVlbnMub3JnLwo+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuZ3B1cy5v cmcvCj4gPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KPgo+Cj4gX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaHVnYWx1ZyBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QK PiBDaHVnYWx1Z0BjaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xhYnMubmV0L2NnaS1iaW4vbWFp bG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9jaHVnYWx1Zwo+Ci0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2FzIHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2dl ZWtsYWJzLm5ldC9waXBlcm1haWwvY2h1Z2FsdWcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAwOTA2MjYvNmZmZTRk Y2IvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Fri Jun 26 23:17:50 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Fri Jun 26 23:18:22 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Pass to your Mid tenn contacts In-Reply-To: <d38d3bef0906261436i560e8076ve181e5ec383c194e@mail.gmail.com> References: <57130.66.129.4.209.1246046543.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <d38d3bef0906261436i560e8076ve181e5ec383c194e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906262017r13614fcdwb3b6ff919ca17e72@mail.gmail.com> I might have about 20 P2 450's (and monitors) I'm not sure if they've already been taken or not, I'll check over the weekend. They would need transportation though. I'm not headed that way for a while, and I don't have anything large enough to transport that many computers. We just upgraded the computer lab at the school where I manage the network. I know at least 15 of them are running right now, albeit very slowly. Ryan On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Zach Gibbens <infocop411@gmail.com> wrote: > I know someone going tommorow, I'll spread this news, & hopefully this wi= ll > change for the better > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:02 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > >> Born Again Technologies (a free geek affiliate) needs some help. >> http://www.bornagaintechnologies.org/ >> Rutherford County has begun taking e-waste. >> So now they are not getting many systems. >> It has begone threatening their mission. >> They just finished setting up a school & hospital in Haiti. >> So if you know anyone in Middle Tenn. who can donate systems, pass this = on >> to them. >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090626/9e06f7ea/a= ttachment.htm From ryan at ryanfreelance.com Fri Jun 26 23:12:48 2009 From: ryan at ryanfreelance.com (Ryan Harrell) Date: Fri Jun 26 23:20:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> Dude you did LFS!? You are my new hero! I really want to try it. How much time/energy did it really take? I've been running gentoo for a while, but I'm familiar with compiling and working on non-port source code. I just might jump into this soon! Ryan Harrell On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com < kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > So there is people here... :) > >> What is KitePilot Linux? 8) >>> >> It is just my ambitious and egocentric instantiation of LFS > (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) > I wrote a shell script (or a system of rather) that allows me to > instantiate an LFS machine from pre-built packages with a final product t= hat > is essentially a run-of-the-mill LFS machine. > It can be seen at: > http://www.kitepilot.com/LFS > I will be using it shortly to instantiate my own servers and firewall. > It comes with a "extendable" script that allows you to replicate a machin= e. > For example, if you follow my (rather geeky) instructions to instantiate a > machine, and then run the "replicate me" script, you will end up with a > replica of the machine I used to develop the script. > I have a friend running his firewall out of my script, but nobody else is > using it. I plan on publishing it in Freashmeat or Sourceforge (or both) > when I have a better product. > ET > > > > Nick Smith writes: > >> What is KitePilot Linux? >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, >> kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: >> >>> Just signed up... >>> Is there anybody out there? >>> ET >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> >> -- >> -------------- >> Nick Smith >> nick at nicksmith dot us >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- = Ryan Harrell 423-313-6405 www.ryanfreelance.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090626/4a973a20/a= ttachment.htm From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Sat Jun 27 00:37:37 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Sat Jun 27 00:37:36 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz> I've been doing LFS for years... :) My first ever Linux computer was a LFS, and I was set to keep it that way until 2 things killed the idea: 1.- Maintenance is a nightmare and. 2.- Ubuntu came to existence... I decided that Ubuntu was where I wanted to go for my desktop, but for my firewall and servers, LFS was the ticket. That's why I wrote my package manager for... Next step LFS is to use it for my radios. I run a wireless ISP in the I-59 corridor, and all my APs run Linux. I have written some pretty cool scripts to map my network on the fly... :) Someday I'll go OpenWRT and probably LFS will help. I'll be more than glad to give a hand with LFS, although the cookbook is so well written that I doubt I'll be of any use. Come visit, we'll talk Linux and hang gliders... :) ET Ryan Harrell writes: > Dude you did LFS!? You are my new hero! I really want to try it. How much > time/energy did it really take? I've been running gentoo for a while, but > I'm familiar with compiling and working on non-port source code. I just > might jump into this soon! > Ryan Harrell > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com < > kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: > >> So there is people here... :) >> >>> What is KitePilot Linux? 8) >>>> >>> It is just my ambitious and egocentric instantiation of LFS >> (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) >> I wrote a shell script (or a system of rather) that allows me to >> instantiate an LFS machine from pre-built packages with a final product that >> is essentially a run-of-the-mill LFS machine. >> It can be seen at: >> http://www.kitepilot.com/LFS >> I will be using it shortly to instantiate my own servers and firewall. >> It comes with a "extendable" script that allows you to replicate a machine. >> For example, if you follow my (rather geeky) instructions to instantiate a >> machine, and then run the "replicate me" script, you will end up with a >> replica of the machine I used to develop the script. >> I have a friend running his firewall out of my script, but nobody else is >> using it. I plan on publishing it in Freashmeat or Sourceforge (or both) >> when I have a better product. >> ET >> >> >> >> Nick Smith writes: >> >>> What is KitePilot Linux? >>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, >>> kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just signed up... >>>> Is there anybody out there? >>>> ET >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -------------- >>> Nick Smith >>> nick at nicksmith dot us >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> >> > > > -- > Ryan Harrell > 423-313-6405 > www.ryanfreelance.com From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 10:19:04 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Sat Jun 27 10:19:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] FireFox question Message-ID: <200906271019.04498.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Why does FireFox give me a pop-up warning about redirection and where the heck do I turn that off? I'm using Fedora 11 with FireFox 3.5b4 (that's what came with F11.) I don't think it's any of my add-ons.... and I can't find it anywhere in the preferences. Thanks! From dave at brockmans.com Sat Jun 27 12:15:43 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Sat Jun 27 12:15:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] FireFox question In-Reply-To: <200906271019.04498.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <200906271019.04498.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A4645AF.20705@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Aldrich wrote: > Why does FireFox give me a pop-up warning about redirection and where the > heck do I turn that off? I'm using Fedora 11 with FireFox 3.5b4 (that's what > came with F11.) > > I don't think it's any of my add-ons.... and I can't find it anywhere in the > preferences. > > Thanks! Preferences-->Advanced(Upper Tab, large icons)-->General(lower tab, text) Under Accessibility, checkbox: Warn me when web sites try to redirect or reload the page - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpGRawACgkQABP1RO+tr2TprgCgtzDyf0L5rSguitw6Bibsm50m J7AAn0cbLbGuO8Omh6PbdZy/+kthx1e/ =QcUn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 27 16:24:52 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 27 16:24:54 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] facebook and open standards Message-ID: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I do not do Facebook & Myspace because the are proprietary systems. Prolley bad idea since I'm part several causes that networking on them would help. But FB has been sending me alot of notices on invites lately. Some I'm not sure about. Megan Sheehan ? Dean Warren ? Hannah Pelham : A green I know Stuart James: Know of him . Surprised he recognizes me. Kc Charland: Know KC Kris C. Jones: ? mueon do any of these ring a bell? BTW resend your linkedin freind request. -- R. W. Young From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 27 16:27:11 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 27 16:27:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Hello world... In-Reply-To: <courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <53065.67.167.162.103.1246134431.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I keep saying some day I'll do that. The idea of just having hat you need on system is tempting. I'll prolley get back to redisigning my own openbox DE soon as well. <quote who="kitepilot@kitepilot.com"> > I've been doing LFS for years... :) > My first ever Linux computer was a LFS, and I was set to keep it that way > until 2 things killed the idea: > 1.- Maintenance is a nightmare and. > 2.- Ubuntu came to existence... > > I decided that Ubuntu was where I wanted to go for my desktop, but for my > firewall and servers, LFS was the ticket. > That's why I wrote my package manager for... > > Next step LFS is to use it for my radios. > I run a wireless ISP in the I-59 corridor, and all my APs run Linux. > I have written some pretty cool scripts to map my network on the fly... > :) > Someday I'll go OpenWRT and probably LFS will help. > > I'll be more than glad to give a hand with LFS, although the cookbook is > so > well written that I doubt I'll be of any use. > Come visit, we'll talk Linux and hang gliders... :) > ET > > > > Ryan Harrell writes: > >> Dude you did LFS!? You are my new hero! I really want to try it. How >> much >> time/energy did it really take? I've been running gentoo for a while, >> but >> I'm familiar with compiling and working on non-port source code. I just >> might jump into this soon! >> Ryan Harrell >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com < >> kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: >> >>> So there is people here... :) >>> >>>> What is KitePilot Linux? 8) >>>>> >>>> It is just my ambitious and egocentric instantiation of LFS >>> (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) >>> I wrote a shell script (or a system of rather) that allows me to >>> instantiate an LFS machine from pre-built packages with a final product >>> that >>> is essentially a run-of-the-mill LFS machine. >>> It can be seen at: >>> http://www.kitepilot.com/LFS >>> I will be using it shortly to instantiate my own servers and firewall. >>> It comes with a "extendable" script that allows you to replicate a >>> machine. >>> For example, if you follow my (rather geeky) instructions to >>> instantiate a >>> machine, and then run the "replicate me" script, you will end up with a >>> replica of the machine I used to develop the script. >>> I have a friend running his firewall out of my script, but nobody else >>> is >>> using it. I plan on publishing it in Freashmeat or Sourceforge (or >>> both) >>> when I have a better product. >>> ET >>> >>> >>> >>> Nick Smith writes: >>> >>>> What is KitePilot Linux? >>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:04 PM, >>>> kitepilot@kitepilot.com<kitepilot@kitepilot.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just signed up... >>>>> Is there anybody out there? >>>>> ET >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------- >>>> Nick Smith >>>> nick at nicksmith dot us >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chugalug mailing list >>>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan Harrell >> 423-313-6405 >> www.ryanfreelance.com > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ash.d.wilson at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 16:44:59 2009 From: ash.d.wilson at gmail.com (Ashley Wilson) Date: Sat Jun 27 16:45:51 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] DEC Alpha rack Message-ID: <24fcc22b0906271344y64aac17ci33f0278256241406@mail.gmail.com> ALL: I realize I was a little vague about my expectations for the rack I posted about a few days ago.Here are a few things I could use: >layer 3 gigabit switch >1500+VA UPS I realize that the gig-e layer 3 switch would probably be worth more than the rack, so I don't mind kicking in a little extra. I paid around 200 for the rack a few years ago. It is a half-height (around 22U, I guess) DEC Rack. it is slightly too shallow for large servers, but is great for rackable servers and network equipment. Comes with some vintage wiring management brackets. I don't have a truck, so I can't deliver... but I live a few minutes off of the interstate in East Ridge, near Belvoir and Ringgold Rd. Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090627/715fa47c/a= ttachment.htm From deawar at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 16:54:01 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (Dean Warren) Date: Sat Jun 27 16:54:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] facebook and open standards In-Reply-To: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <f5daf2d90906271354x1dc098faua776780e611937f3@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I spammed the list late one day with a return all for FB invites so that's me on your list....I'd still add you as a friend and send ya all sorts of cutise shtuff to sort through on a daily basis though..... Dean Warren P.S. I have a friend in Great Britian whose name is Dean Warren, too!!! Small damn world, ain't it? On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > I do not do Facebook & Myspace because the are proprietary systems. > Prolley bad idea since I'm part several causes that networking on them > would help. > But FB has been sending me alot of notices on invites lately. > Some I'm not sure about. > > Megan Sheehan ? > Dean Warren ? > Hannah Pelham : A green I know > Stuart James: Know of him . Surprised he recognizes me. > Kc Charland: Know KC > Kris C. Jones: ? > > mueon do any of these ring a bell? > BTW resend your linkedin freind request. > > -- > R. W. Young > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Sat Jun 27 21:55:45 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Sat Jun 27 21:55:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] facebook and open standards In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906271832560.31560@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906271832560.31560@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <35524.67.167.162.103.1246154145.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> An article on facebook vs. google. Some the background on facebook's plans does give me pause. On one hand I respect the notion of controlling the data on there network. On the other hand what do they intend to do with it? Plus that could be a huge povencial reserve/ghetto there for the net. Or would prefer gated community as a metaphor? http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall?currentPage=all <quote who="Mike Harrison"> >> mueon do any of these ring a bell? >> BTW resend your linkedin freind request. > > Will do, and those names don't ring any bells with me. > > Problem is, a lot more people know me, than I know. > > As public as you are, you probably have the same issue. > > > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Sat Jun 27 23:00:21 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Sat Jun 27 23:01:01 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] FireFox question In-Reply-To: <4A4645AF.20705@brockmans.com> References: <200906271019.04498.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <4A4645AF.20705@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <200906272300.22359.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Saturday 27 June 2009, Dave Brockman wrote: > > Preferences-->Advanced(Upper Tab, large icons)-->General(lower tab, > text) Under Accessibility, checkbox: > Warn me when web sites try to redirect or reload the page > Thanks... That's annoying. I looked there, but I obviously overlooked it. :-) Much appreciated! From dave at brockmans.com Sat Jun 27 23:18:20 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Sat Jun 27 23:18:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] facebook and open standards In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906271832560.31560@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906271832560.31560@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A46E0FC.5000405@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Harrison wrote: >> mueon do any of these ring a bell? >> BTW resend your linkedin freind request. > > Will do, and those names don't ring any bells with me. > > Problem is, a lot more people know me, than I know. > > As public as you are, you probably have the same issue. Or someone uploaded their address book to one of the above and it contained a ML you are subscribed to possibly.... - -Dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpG4PoACgkQABP1RO+tr2TK2QCfW0GinnRUwrxBjlUOAPehgq/W cvAAn03BiCX2OdvOD9j1On4E56YKvEns =rJlF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lists at masterforge.com Sun Jun 28 00:12:56 2009 From: lists at masterforge.com (Jason Brown) Date: Sun Jun 28 00:12:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] facebook and open standards In-Reply-To: <35524.67.167.162.103.1246154145.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <54776.67.167.162.103.1246134292.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906271832560.31560@w0707.geeklabs.net> <35524.67.167.162.103.1246154145.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A46EDC8.2040705@masterforge.com> Interesting article. To sum up my opinion: let Facebook and Google duke it out. Competition drives innovation. I use Facebook in probably the most casual manner possible. They have some basic info on me that can be found anywhere else on the net as long as you search using my name plus the keywords "evil" or "chugalug" and a list of people I know that also use Facebook. once you turn off 90% of the "social" functions, especially the application and quiz invites, it can be an interesting way to stay in touch with people you don't speak to often. If they can find a way to make money with that data, good for them. Jason Brown rwyoung wrote: > An article on facebook vs. google. > Some the background on facebook's plans does give me pause. > On one hand I respect the notion of controlling the data on there network. > On the other hand what do they intend to do with it? > Plus that could be a huge povencial reserve/ghetto there for the net. > Or would prefer gated community as a metaphor? > > http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-07/ff_facebookwall?currentPage=all > <quote who="Mike Harrison"> > >>> mueon do any of these ring a bell? >>> BTW resend your linkedin freind request. >>> >> Will do, and those names don't ring any bells with me. >> >> Problem is, a lot more people know me, than I know. >> >> As public as you are, you probably have the same issue. >> >> >> >> > > > From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Mon Jun 29 12:42:33 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Mon Jun 29 12:42:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Another "Hello world", who are you? :) In-Reply-To: <53065.67.167.162.103.1246134431.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <53065.67.167.162.103.1246134431.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <courier.4A48EEF9.00000D16@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Hello community: I am spamming the list today in an attempt to get to know more people in the area, and to let people in the area to know me. I am trying to grow my little business so I don't have to go contracting in Florida or Seattle, and maybe some people here can use my services or knows someone that can use them. In the spirit of FOSS, I volunteer my time to teach children or assist people with limited resources (among other things), so feel free to ask... :) I am publishing a little add (Scribus!) in the Trenton area that summarizes what we can do, it can be seen at: http://www.kitepilot.com/k.pdf We have fiber optic (glass all the way to the data center), standby generators, the whole nine yards... For those days when computers SUUUUCK, I can also provide FAA approved flight instruction in gliders and single engine/land aircraft. Twin engine and instrument instructor license is in the works. I used to teach hang gliding, but I better leave that to the professionals here at the park (http://hanglide.com/), although I can certainly help you in that department too. I also do skydiving, but I am more of a beginner there... Yep, you guessed it... a total airhead!!! :) I hope I don't offend anyone with this message... Let's go putering or let's go flying! Thanks! Enrique A. Troconis PS: Has anyone seen how they splice fiber optic? amazing... From deawar at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 13:08:22 2009 From: deawar at gmail.com (deawar@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jun 29 13:07:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Another "Hello world", who are you? :) In-Reply-To: <courier.4A48EEF9.00000D16@copilot.kitepilot.biz> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz><b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com><courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz><d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com><courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz><53065.67.167.162.103.1246134431.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net><courier.4A48EEF9.00000D16@copilot.kitepilot.biz> Message-ID: <798315178-1246295243-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1338180921-@bxe1081.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You know anyone that teaches para/power gliding in the ATL/Lookout Mtn area? Dean Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" <kitepilot@kitepilot.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:42:33 To: <chugalug@chugalug.org> Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Another "Hello world", who are you? :) Hello community: I am spamming the list today in an attempt to get to know more people in the area, and to let people in the area to know me. I am trying to grow my little business so I don't have to go contracting in Florida or Seattle, and maybe some people here can use my services or knows someone that can use them. In the spirit of FOSS, I volunteer my time to teach children or assist people with limited resources (among other things), so feel free to ask... :) I am publishing a little add (Scribus!) in the Trenton area that summarizes what we can do, it can be seen at: http://www.kitepilot.com/k.pdf We have fiber optic (glass all the way to the data center), standby generators, the whole nine yards... For those days when computers SUUUUCK, I can also provide FAA approved flight instruction in gliders and single engine/land aircraft. Twin engine and instrument instructor license is in the works. I used to teach hang gliding, but I better leave that to the professionals here at the park (http://hanglide.com/), although I can certainly help you in that department too. I also do skydiving, but I am more of a beginner there... Yep, you guessed it... a total airhead!!! :) I hope I don't offend anyone with this message... Let's go putering or let's go flying! Thanks! Enrique A. Troconis PS: Has anyone seen how they splice fiber optic? amazing... _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Mon Jun 29 13:12:58 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Mon Jun 29 13:12:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Another =?utf-8?B?IkhlbGxvIHdvcmxkIiw=?= who are you? :) In-Reply-To: <798315178-1246295243-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1338180921-@bxe1081.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <courier.4A44FF85.000018B3@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <b131ca890906261012g18f07ffdydcb08d9426489dd4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A450B71.00001C37@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <d06a284e0906262012k401ef178w16afaa3d20e0d8b4@mail.gmail.com> <courier.4A45A211.00005A72@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <53065.67.167.162.103.1246134431.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <courier.4A48EEF9.00000D16@copilot.kitepilot.biz> <798315178-1246295243-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1338180921-@bxe1081.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <courier.4A48F61A.00001C26@copilot.kitepilot.biz> >> You know anyone that teaches para/power gliding in the ATL/Lookout Mtn Nope... But I'll go with you when you find one... :) I can probably find someone nearby, I'll ask. ET deawar@gmail.com writes: > You know anyone that teaches para/power gliding in the ATL/Lookout Mtn area? > Dean > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" <kitepilot@kitepilot.com> > > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:42:33 > To: <chugalug@chugalug.org> > Subject: [Chugalug] OT: Another "Hello world", who are you? :) > > > Hello community: > > I am spamming the list today in an attempt to get to know more people in the > area, and to let people in the area to know me. > > I am trying to grow my little business so I don't have to go contracting in > Florida or Seattle, and maybe some people here can use my services or knows > someone that can use them. In the spirit of FOSS, I volunteer my time to > teach children or assist people with limited resources (among other things), > so feel free to ask... :) > > I am publishing a little add (Scribus!) in the Trenton area that summarizes > what we can do, it can be seen at: > http://www.kitepilot.com/k.pdf > We have fiber optic (glass all the way to the data center), standby > generators, the whole nine yards... > > For those days when computers SUUUUCK, I can also provide FAA approved > flight instruction in gliders and single engine/land aircraft. > Twin engine and instrument instructor license is in the works. > I used to teach hang gliding, but I better leave that to the professionals > here at the park (http://hanglide.com/), although I can certainly help you > in that department too. > > I also do skydiving, but I am more of a beginner there... > Yep, you guessed it... > a total airhead!!! :) > > I hope I don't offend anyone with this message... > Let's go putering or let's go flying! > Thanks! > Enrique A. Troconis > > PS: Has anyone seen how they splice fiber optic? amazing... > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 29 16:06:02 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 29 16:06:05 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] looking for mpeg primer Message-ID: <57167.66.129.4.209.1246305962.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Been playing with creating VCD's & DVD's. Need to learn more about Mpeg1, Mpeg2, Mpeg4 & linux tools. AVI & FLV in the mix as well. Oh yeah Ogg. -- R. W. Young From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 29 19:18:06 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 29 19:18:08 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg? Message-ID: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Yeah I could just pull audacity from the repository for this. But mencoder &ffmpeg are already installed. Got directory of windows media files (WMV). All audio only. /home/me/Music/Al Green's Greatest Hits Want to take each wmv file and convert to mpeg. How and what does each switch do? -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 29 20:03:58 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 29 20:04:08 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg? In-Reply-To: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <50203.67.167.162.103.1246320238.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Why the hell they encode audio in a WMV container? <quote who="rwyoung"> > Yeah I could just pull audacity from the repository for this. > But mencoder &ffmpeg are already installed. > > Got directory of windows media files (WMV). > All audio only. > /home/me/Music/Al Green's Greatest Hits > Want to take each wmv file and convert to mpeg. > How and what does each switch do? > > > -- > R. W. Young > > "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, > that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett > > "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called > ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA > > http://www.gpoftn.org > http://tn.greens.org/ > http://www.gpus.org/ > ============================= > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dave at brockmans.com Mon Jun 29 20:16:55 2009 From: dave at brockmans.com (Dave Brockman) Date: Mon Jun 29 20:17:03 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg? In-Reply-To: <50203.67.167.162.103.1246320238.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <50203.67.167.162.103.1246320238.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <4A495977.80906@brockmans.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That was actually going to be my first question. Second is what do you gain by converting to Yet Another Lossy Format or more importantly, why yet another format that is difficult in most Linux distro's today? You'll need the w32codecs most likely (first problem), and also lame or another mp3 encoder/codec (second problem). debian-multimedia will be your friend here. Here's an old link, but it might get you up and running http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Convert_WMA_to_MP3 Keep in mind this is going to encode/rip WMA to PCM (WAV) audio, and then encode that to mp3, so you're already lossy recordings are going to be even more lossy by the time you finish with the conversion. I know, all the devices in the world don't support flac, so you're stuck with mp3. Just wanted to add my disclaimer in there somewhere :) - -Dave rwyoung wrote: > Why the hell they encode audio in a WMV container? > > <quote who="rwyoung"> >> Yeah I could just pull audacity from the repository for this. >> But mencoder &ffmpeg are already installed. >> >> Got directory of windows media files (WMV). >> All audio only. >> /home/me/Music/Al Green's Greatest Hits >> Want to take each wmv file and convert to mpeg. >> How and what does each switch do? >> >> >> -- >> R. W. Young >> >> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >> >> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >> >> http://www.gpoftn.org >> http://tn.greens.org/ >> http://www.gpus.org/ >> ============================= >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chugalug mailing list >> Chugalug@chugalug.org >> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpJWXUACgkQABP1RO+tr2QZFgCgmiE5xE2n5rREV7aIMFzR65gH TpsAoJvPqQhS1nO0jBEvF+TNJyzAyrcR =ZPkC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Mon Jun 29 23:32:12 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Mon Jun 29 23:32:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg?oice In-Reply-To: <4A495977.80906@brockmans.com> References: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <50203.67.167.162.103.1246320238.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A495977.80906@brockmans.com> Message-ID: <56991.67.167.162.103.1246332732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> I aquired them in WMV . no choice. I can play them fine. K3B balks at burning WMV tho. <quote who="Dave Brockman"> >----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > That was actually going to be my first question. Second is what do you > gain by converting to Yet Another Lossy Format or more importantly, why > yet another format that is difficult in most Linux distro's today? > > You'll need the w32codecs most likely (first problem), and also lame or > another mp3 encoder/codec (second problem). debian-multimedia will be > your friend here. > > Here's an old link, but it might get you up and running > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Convert_WMA_to_MP3 > > Keep in mind this is going to encode/rip WMA to PCM (WAV) audio, and > then encode that to mp3, so you're already lossy recordings are going to > be even more lossy by the time you finish with the conversion. > > I know, all the devices in the world don't support flac, so you're stuck > with mp3. Just wanted to add my disclaimer in there somewhere :) > > - -Dave > > rwyoung wrote: >> Why the hell they encode audio in a WMV container? >> >> <quote who="rwyoung"> >>> Yeah I could just pull audacity from the repository for this. >>> But mencoder &ffmpeg are already installed. >>> >>> Got directory of windows media files (WMV). >>> All audio only. >>> /home/me/Music/Al Green's Greatest Hits >>> Want to take each wmv file and convert to mpeg. >>> How and what does each switch do? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> R. W. Young >>> >>> "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, >>> that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett >>> >>> "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called >>> ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA >>> >>> http://www.gpoftn.org >>> http://tn.greens.org/ >>> http://www.gpus.org/ >>> ============================= >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chugalug mailing list >>> Chugalug@chugalug.org >>> http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug >>> >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkpJWXUACgkQABP1RO+tr2QZFgCgmiE5xE2n5rREV7aIMFzR65gH > TpsAoJvPqQhS1nO0jBEvF+TNJyzAyrcR > =ZPkC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From ripl at aol.com Tue Jun 30 00:52:09 2009 From: ripl at aol.com (Rip Linton) Date: Tue Jun 30 00:53:07 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg? In-Reply-To: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <8CBC755A89F5476-D38-2F3C@FWM-D30.sysops.aol.com> With FFmpeg the conversion is simple. Provided you have it compiled with support for libmp3lame you would use a command line like #ffmpeg -i somefile.wmv -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128000 somefile.mp3 you can also use a for loop to batch convert. The -ab value should match the audio bit rate of the original file and you do have to use the three trailing 0s. If you are not sure of the bit rate you can use #ffmpeg -i somefile.wmv? without an output file name and it will show you the properties of the input file. Rip -----Original Message----- From: rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:18 pm Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg? Yeah I could just pull audacity from the repository for this. But mencoder &ffmpeg are already installed. Got directory of windows media files (WMV). All audio only. /home/me/Music/Al Green's Greatest Hits Want to take each wmv file and convert to mpeg. How and what does each switch do? -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/6f93b12a/attachment.htm From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 06:07:14 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Tue Jun 30 06:07:56 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] mencoder guru in the house? orFFmpeg?oice In-Reply-To: <56991.67.167.162.103.1246332732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <55115.67.167.162.103.1246317486.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> <4A495977.80906@brockmans.com> <56991.67.167.162.103.1246332732.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <200906300607.16142.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Monday 29 June 2009, rwyoung wrote: > I aquired them in WMV . no choice. > I can play them fine. K3B balks at burning WMV tho. > RW, there's an app I have here called audio-convert-mod. Runs on my Fedora 11 system. Supposed to convert between formats. You might give that a try, or alternatively use Zamzar.com to convert 'em for you. They'll convert up to 100 megs at a time for free. 'Course, using the free account, you're behind any / all paying customers.... still, usually pretty prompt response. From stewartbenjamin at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 08:25:25 2009 From: stewartbenjamin at gmail.com (Benjamin Stewart) Date: Tue Jun 30 08:25:57 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] There's no place like ::1 Message-ID: <afed48b10906300525g343312b9ta0fe4e36a94cde50@mail.gmail.com> The end is coming! IPv4 space will be exhausted in 735 days! Learn IPv6 while you still can! Or... something. If any of you would like to increase your understanding of IPv6 so as to avert the impending doom of the Internet, you should check out ipv6.he.net. Hurricane Electric is one of several IPv6 tunnel brokers, and they are now offering a free, for-fun certification on IPv6. If, like me, you keep meaning to play with IPv6, this course will give you some goals to work toward. As a bonus, I now have a much deeper understanding of how all of the Internet works due to what I learned in this course, especially email and BIND. -- = Benjamin Stewart HE.NET IPv6 Certified Guru -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/33b04512/a= ttachment.htm From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Tue Jun 30 09:44:41 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Tue Jun 30 09:44:44 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] any of you coders hear about this? Message-ID: <59172.66.129.4.209.1246369481.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> http://www.appsfordemocracy.org/about/ -- R. W. Young From jaldrich at blueridgecarpet.com Tue Jun 30 10:22:31 2009 From: jaldrich at blueridgecarpet.com (John Aldrich) Date: Tue Jun 30 10:23:16 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers Message-ID: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 6398 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/4f7dfd0f/attachment.jpeg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Currently I?ve talked to an IBM reseller and he?s proposed 3 > different solutions (2 have redundant controllers, 2 have data > deduplication, all 3 have redundant power supplies) for under $15K. > > > > I?ve contacted Dell/Equallogic and just filled out a request for a call from > EMC. Any other ?big players? in the market I should be talking to? I really > want redundancy and data deduplication. I thought the last was something > built into most SANs, but apparently not. > > > > Anyway, if you guys have any other preferred SAN or NAS vendors, please let > me know who they are. -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we?re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Murfreesboro/Nashville, Tennessee USA From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Tue Jun 30 10:27:19 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Tue Jun 30 10:27:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. 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In-Reply-To: <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <courier.4A4A23E9.00005936@copilot.kitepilot.biz> I've done rsync with over a million miles... What system and version of rsync are you running (both machines) ET Michael Grant Hodges writes: > Cross posting... > > rsync with more that 10800 items. > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rob Mahurin <rob@utk.edu> wrote: > >> On Mar 22, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Michael "Grant" Hodges wrote: >> > Breaking it into chunks was my next option but with out knowing how >> > many >> > items may be in a chunk this could be problematic as well.. which >> > would mean >> > i would have to create more chunks as time goes by. >> > >> > perhaps if i output a list command for the root directory and then >> > piped that >> > into rsync per directory? >> > >> > any ideas on how i might do this? >> >> >> Perhaps >> >> $ find / | split -l 10000 - /tmp/filelist. >> $ for list in /tmp/filelist.* ; do rsync --files-from=$list >> remote:wherever ; done >> >> Rob >> >> -- >> Rob Mahurin >> Department of Physics and Astronomy >> University of Tennessee 865 207 2594 >> Knoxville, TN 37996 rob@utk.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > Anyone care to elaborate on this or have a better solution? > > Grant > > -- > "Anyone willing to give up liberty in exchange for security deserves > neither." - Benjamin Franklin > > "Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism." - Mayor Rocky Anderson, Salt > Lake City > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Jun 30 11:02:28 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:02:29 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> Locally, talk to Harwood International.. They might suprise you, On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, John Aldrich wrote: > Guys, I'm about 6-9 months away from purchasing a NAS or SAN devices for our > network here. Currently I've talked to an IBM reseller and he's proposed 3 > different solutions (2 have redundant controllers, 2 have data > deduplication, all 3 have redundant power supplies) for under $15K. > > > > I've contacted Dell/Equallogic and just filled out a request for a call from > EMC. Any other "big players" in the market I should be talking to? I really > want redundancy and data deduplication. I thought the last was something > built into most SANs, but apparently not. > > > > Anyway, if you guys have any other preferred SAN or NAS vendors, please let > me know who they are. > > > > John-AldrichTile-Tools > > > > -- From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:20:42 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:21:13 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> Message-ID: <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> SSBuZWVkIHRvIHN5bmNocm9uaXplIDIgZm9sZGVycyBzZXR0aW5nIG9uZSBhcyB0aGUgc291cmNl IGFuZCBvbmUgYXMgdGhlCmRlc3RpbmF0aW9uLgoKaW4gb3RoZXIgd29yZHMgaSB3YW50IG9uZSB0 byBzdGF5IHRoZSBzYW1lIGFuZCB0aGUgb3RoZXIgdG8gY2hhbmdlIGFzIGZpbGVzCmNoYW5nZSBv biB0aGUgc291cmNlLgoKaSBvbmx5IG5lZWQgMiBjb3BpZXMgb2Ygd2hhdCBpcyBjdXJyZW50bHkg b24gdGhlIHNvdXJjZSBhbmQgZm9yIHRoZSBzaW5nbGVzCnRvIGJlIGRlbGV0ZWQgZnJvbSB0aGUg dGFyZ2V0LgoKdGhpcyBhbHNvIG5lZWRzIHRvIGJlIGNsaSBzbyBpIGNhbiBzZXQgYSBjcm9uIGpv Yi4KCk5vdGU6IHJzeW5jIGhhcyBhIGxpbWl0IG9mIDEwODAwIGl0ZW1zLiBUaGlzIGlzIGEgc2Vj dXJpdHkgbWVhc3VyZS4gKGlmIHlvdQpoYXZlIHNvbWUgaG93IGRvbmUgbW9yZTsgcGVyaGFwcyBp dCdzIGNoYW5nZWQuKQoKR3JhbnQKLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tCkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNobWVudCB3YXMgc2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vZ2Vla2xh YnMubmV0L3BpcGVybWFpbC9jaHVnYWx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDYzMC9hMDk5OWE3OC9h dHRhY2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From dlsalter at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:49:27 2009 From: dlsalter at gmail.com (Dustin Salter) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:49:59 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <9e64723c0906300849k7a747fe8t868eae203bd5e06f@mail.gmail.com> Try Lefthand, they have an awesome ISCSI solution. Or build it yourself with OpenFiler. ds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/58c35c0e/a= ttachment.htm From kitepilot at kitepilot.com Tue Jun 30 11:50:48 2009 From: kitepilot at kitepilot.com (kitepilot@kitepilot.com) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:50:49 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <courier.4A4A3458.00005E97@copilot.kitepilot.biz> >> Note: rsync has a limit of 10800 items. This is a security measure. I've been using rsync for years with more than a million files per run and I have never heard of such a thing... ET Michael Grant Hodges writes: > I need to synchronize 2 folders setting one as the source and one as the > destination. > > in other words i want one to stay the same and the other to change as files > change on the source. > > i only need 2 copies of what is currently on the source and for the singles > to be deleted from the target. > > this also needs to be cli so i can set a cron job. > > Note: rsync has a limit of 10800 items. This is a security measure. (if you > have some how done more; perhaps it's changed.) > > Grant From ebwolf at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:58:52 2009 From: ebwolf at gmail.com (Eric Wolf) Date: Tue Jun 30 11:58:55 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] any of you coders hear about this? In-Reply-To: <59172.66.129.4.209.1246369481.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> References: <59172.66.129.4.209.1246369481.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> Message-ID: <18bb6ba00906300858v37ed7e9fk1e120a9d3d0f7040@mail.gmail.com> That's interesting. Thanks for sending it on. I've been pressing my bosses at the USGS to try a "Summer of Code" model for getting programming work done. I'm pressured to not write code and try to manage people who do the coding. But hiring programmers is surprisingly difficult within the framework of the Federal Government. First, you have to be a US citizen. It seems that about 30% of people who work in GIS are not US citizens and they happen to be about 75% of the subset of the GIS group that actually knows how to program. Second, you have to be tolerant of the glacial Federal bureaucracy. Of course, once you're in, that slow speed works in your favor. Third, you have to be able to deal with the inane security rules that get passed down via Congressional Legislation. Finally, you have to be willing to accept a relatively low wage and work in a government building. Doing a Summer of Code (or Apps for Democracy) model would, potentially, allow us to avoid 95% of these pitfalls. I had a CompSci student working for me last Summer pounding on some JavaScript I was interested in. It took about two months of paper shuffling to get him in the door. Then, he preferred to sleep until 2pm and do most of his coding at 2am. He also had to constantly pester the ITS folks because he needed to benchmark the code on different browsers - which meant installing and reinstalling. If I could have had the government cut him a check for $2500 and he could have worked from home, I probably would have had better results and it would have cost the tax payers alot less money. In my case, I do pure research in computer-based map making. Most of the coding projects I am interested in are proof-of-concept and need not be maintained. I'm more than happy never even seeing the face of the programmers writing code for me. It's really the ideal model. Just wish my bosses could see it. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 USGS Geographer Center of Excellence in GIScience PhD Student CU-Boulder - Geography On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, rwyoung <rwyoung@chattanooga.net> wrote: > > http://www.appsfordemocracy.org/about/ > > -- > R. W. Young > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/8a3baa64/a= ttachment-0001.htm From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:55:19 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Tue Jun 30 13:55:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. 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I don't think I can build a system with redundant drive controllers and redundant NICs and redundant power supplies for what I can buy it for. :-) Especially when you take into account my time and the learning curve to build such a beast. :-) Thanks, though. I'll look into Lefthand. From jmaldrich at yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 14:43:34 2009 From: jmaldrich at yahoo.com (John Aldrich) Date: Tue Jun 30 14:44:09 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <200906301443.35045.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> On Tuesday 30 June 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: > Locally, talk to Harwood International.. They might suprise you, > Thanks. I called and they are sending a rep down next week. :-) BTW, you might want to consider giving out their URL next time you recommend 'em to someone... I ended up having to Google them as the obvious choice was some other company named Harwood International. :-) From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 30 14:56:13 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 30 14:56:45 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <200906301443.35045.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906301443.35045.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906301156m76c23535k7ee92f77119324d5@mail.gmail.com> Next time tell him you need some hand holding, maybe he could call them for you and set up the appointment too :-) On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM, John Aldrich<jmaldrich@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 30 June 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: >> Locally, talk to Harwood International.. They might suprise you, >> > Thanks. I called and they are sending a rep down next week. :-) BTW, you > might want to consider giving out their URL next time you recommend 'em to > someone... I ended up having to Google them as the obvious choice was some > other company named Harwood International. :-) > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From nick at nicksmith.us Tue Jun 30 15:00:21 2009 From: nick at nicksmith.us (Nick Smith) Date: Tue Jun 30 15:00:25 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <a171680b0906301055s2e46ecfbo17ce936fd946cd49@mail.gmail.com> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <09362B8B-E4CC-4570-8BFC-5F23D328CC98@utk.edu> <c6a799ff0906301048q35562ff6p604b494e52e4b05f@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0906301055s2e46ecfbo17ce936fd946cd49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <b131ca890906301200m5707ed5eg8360a0dd0c317570@mail.gmail.com> Does it give any kind of error message after the 10800 files? Anything in the logs? On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Michael "Grant" Hodges<MichaelGrantHodges@gmail.com> wrote: > Either way i need to have 2 directories sync and delete missing files from > destination that do not exist in source. > > ie.? if i delete or change a file or folder in the source it also happens to > the destination. > > so i need the command or set of commands to make that happen someone made a > suggestion of creating a script to separate it into chunks of 10800 items. > > Grant > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jason Hudson <jason.hudson@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I have successfully synced over 100,000 files. Below is a link from >> the rsync list. ~Jason >> >> http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2008-December/022370.html >> >> file count limit in rsync V3.0.4 >> >> Matt McCutchen matt at mattmccutchen.net >> Tue Dec 23 19:01:59 GMT 2008 >> Previous message: file count limit in rsync V3.0.4 >> Next message: file count limit in rsync V3.0.4 >> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] >> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 20:21 +0530, Jignesh Shah wrote: >> > Is there any limit in total files to be transfered in rsync V3.0.4? >> >> There's no hard-coded limit, but memory is still a constraint... >> >> > The ?rsync V3.0.4 has synching interleaved with file system walk and >> > thus it uses much less memory so ideally it should not have any limit >> > of total number of files to be transfered. Am I right? >> >> No, it still holds a list of all directories (called "dir_flist") in >> memory, so you may still hit a limit on the number of directories. ?See: >> >> http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2007-August/018193.html >> >> -- >> Matt >> _______________________________________________ >> KLUG mailing list >> KLUG@cs.utk.edu >> http://www.KnoxLUG.org > > > > -- > "Anyone willing to give up liberty in exchange for security deserves > neither." - Benjamin Franklin > > "Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism." - Mayor Rocky Anderson, Salt > Lake City > > "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his > government." - Edward Abbey > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -- -------------- Nick Smith nick at nicksmith dot us From MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com Tue Jun 30 15:11:23 2009 From: MichaelGrantHodges at Gmail.com (Michael "Grant" Hodges) Date: Tue Jun 30 15:11:26 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. 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Seriously John, that is like looking a gift horse in the mouth. AW On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Nick Smith <nick@nicksmith.us> wrote: > Next time tell him you need some hand holding, maybe he could call > them for you and set up the appointment too :-) > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:43 PM, John Aldrich<jmaldrich@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 June 2009, Mike Harrison wrote: > >> Locally, talk to Harwood International.. They might suprise you, > >> > > Thanks. I called and they are sending a rep down next week. :-) BTW, you > > might want to consider giving out their URL next time you recommend 'em > to > > someone... I ended up having to Google them as the obvious choice was > some > > other company named Harwood International. :-) > > _______________________________________________ > > Chugalug mailing list > > Chugalug@chugalug.org > > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > > > > > -- > -------------- > Nick Smith > nick at nicksmith dot us > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- = Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their own ideas." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Someone should know <smile> In-Reply-To: <9e64723c0906300849k7a747fe8t868eae203bd5e06f@mail.gmail.com> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com><Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9e64723c0906300849k7a747fe8t868eae203bd5e06f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14C5A43042E040BC836178FDCE3A35C5@DonPC> Just a easy question.. So why do I feel I may end up experimenting anyway, but let me ask here ;-) Just incase .. Lets say we know someone with a web server. <smile> And all the little users are setup using disk quotas under the Linux quota system. Then one of the little users is out growing the space the little user should have. So if I mount a new drive, and move the files to the new drive, and make a symbolic link in the /home to the new location his files are in on the other drive. Is his quota still controlled? Do I need to mount the drive special for quotas, but it is a data drive mainly used for backup so quotas are not set? Should I looking at some other type of link? And thanks for your help in advance!! . Dr.D From dlsalter at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 17:03:36 2009 From: dlsalter at gmail.com (Dustin Salter) Date: Tue Jun 30 17:04:08 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <200906301423.19951.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> <9e64723c0906300849k7a747fe8t868eae203bd5e06f@mail.gmail.com> <200906301423.19951.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9e64723c0906301403y7cc0c8dtd8a92f2dc8f43270@mail.gmail.com> > > LOL! I don't think I can build a system with redundant drive controllers > and redundant NICs and redundant power supplies for what I can buy it for. > :-) Especially when you take into account my time and the learning curve = to It's not as expensive as you would think... though I used a lot of old hardware... An old Dell Poweredge 6400, a Dell PowerVault 210S and a few Dual NIC cards and a few AMI/LMI Raid controllers :) It runs great, is fast, and you can configure software ISCSI initiators, or other means. You know RedHat/CentOS, you know OpenFiler. We use LeftHand here at work, and they are awesome if you consider the SAN/iQ Network RAID stuff it offers, very impressive. And fairly reasonable compared to 3PAR and Compellent. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was ssh-ing from far away on a CLI only system.. and was too lazy to use elinks/lynx in another session. :) From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Jun 30 17:07:57 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Jun 30 17:07:58 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <b131ca890906301156m76c23535k7ee92f77119324d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906301443.35045.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <b131ca890906301156m76c23535k7ee92f77119324d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301707170.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Nick Smith wrote: > Next time tell him you need some hand holding, maybe he could call > them for you and set up the appointment too :-) My pimping fees are high.. but the girls are all first class. Oh. wrong list. ;) From wes at the-wes.com Tue Jun 30 17:15:40 2009 From: wes at the-wes.com (wes) Date: Tue Jun 30 17:15:43 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] NAS/SAN providers In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301707170.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <009701c9f98e$342d3520$9c879f60$@com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301101570.5741@w0707.geeklabs.net> <200906301443.35045.jmaldrich@yahoo.com> <b131ca890906301156m76c23535k7ee92f77119324d5@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301707170.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <b399d1c10906301415h489abf64g2d85e1447aedb462@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Mike Harrison <meuon@geeklabs.com> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Nick Smith wrote: > > Next time tell him you need some hand holding, maybe he could call >> them for you and set up the appointment too :-) >> > > My pimping fees are high.. but the girls are all first class. > > Oh. wrong list. ;) I want on THAT list!! -wes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ashley Wilson | 423.961.8047 | ash.d.wilson@gmail.com On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Stephen Walker <stephen.walker@tech-cis.com > wrote: > A company is using the Cisco 3000 series concentrators to set up site to > site vpn's for isolated unix LAN's at each site. > > Life is lovely until they decide to use more bandwidth so they replace the > concentrators with ASA boxes. > > Overall though put breaks the 10 Mbps barrier as desired (each site has 20 > - 30 Mbps Internet connection) for "normal traffic." > > But the rsync traffic used by the unix systems is actually much slower on > the ASA's. > > This is a new one for me - anyone have experience with this? > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Overall though put breaks the 10 Mbps barrier as desired (each site has 20 - 30 Mbps Internet connection) for "normal traffic." But the rsync traffic used by the unix systems is actually much slower on the ASA's. This is a new one for me - anyone have experience with this? _______________________________________________ Chugalug mailing list Chugalug@chugalug.org http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/d1f26503/attachment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Jun 30 18:48:51 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Jun 30 18:48:52 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Cisco and Misc For Sale Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301821430.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> I recently bought the stack of Aaron's Cisco stuff he had for sale last week, mixed it up with some parts I had (ram, AC power supplies, flash.. ) to get 2 "seems to be working so far" 2600 series routers with some ethernet jacks to play with. That's what I needed. :) This leaves me with a combination of what I had left from him, plus a bunch of other stuff I have including a 7200 series (w/DC power supply) w high speed serial interfaces.. some bare bones 2500/2600's (some ac and some dc power supplies and some with ram and flash, a "Cisco Content Engine" a "Cisco Terminal Server", 2 110-48volt power supplies, 2 VPN3002-8E (VPN clients with 8 ports ethernet switches), an 1800, a couple of 800's w/ISDN interfaces.. a 2500 with 2 T1 interfaces.... and.. and.. cables.. and... and 2 industrial rack mount 110volt to 48vdc power supplies. A Lucent/Ascend MAX with a bunch of POTS (FX-0?) ports A couple 24 port ethernet 10/100 HUBS. All in unknown "as-is" configurations and status. All heading to an "art project" the end of next week if no-one wants any or all of it. Need to clean out the NOC shelves and donations are gladly accepted. Or: you can have it ALL for $200.00 cash. Or: will trade for ________ (something interesting and/or useful) Where is it all? 535 Chestnut Street, Suite 243 (the old IBM building) Chattanooga Tennessee - 9-5:30 - just stop by, Earlier/Later hours can be arranged. Please E-Mail me off list: meuon@geeklabs.com or call: 423-648-4184 x200 From rwyoung at chattanooga.net Tue Jun 30 20:05:43 2009 From: rwyoung at chattanooga.net (rwyoung) Date: Tue Jun 30 20:05:48 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Cisco and Misc For Sale In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301821430.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301821430.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <37506.67.167.162.103.1246406743.squirrel@webmail.chattanooga.net> get behind me satan, dont tempt me in my moment of weakness! <quote who="Mike Harrison"> > > I recently bought the stack of Aaron's Cisco stuff he had for sale last > week, mixed it up with some parts I had (ram, AC power supplies, flash.. ) > to get 2 "seems to be working so far" 2600 series routers with some > ethernet jacks to play with. That's what I needed. :) > > This leaves me with a combination of what I had left from him, plus a > bunch of other stuff I have including a 7200 series (w/DC power supply) w > high speed serial interfaces.. some bare bones 2500/2600's (some ac and > some dc power supplies and some with ram and flash, a "Cisco Content > Engine" a "Cisco Terminal Server", 2 110-48volt power supplies, 2 > VPN3002-8E (VPN clients with 8 ports ethernet switches), an 1800, a couple > of 800's w/ISDN interfaces.. a 2500 with 2 T1 interfaces.... and.. and.. > cables.. and... > > and 2 industrial rack mount 110volt to 48vdc power supplies. > > A Lucent/Ascend MAX with a bunch of POTS (FX-0?) ports > > A couple 24 port ethernet 10/100 HUBS. > > All in unknown "as-is" configurations and status. > > All heading to an "art project" the end of next week if no-one > wants any or all of it. Need to clean out the NOC shelves > and donations are gladly accepted. > > Or: you can have it ALL for $200.00 cash. > > Or: will trade for ________ (something interesting and/or useful) > > Where is it all? > > 535 Chestnut Street, Suite 243 (the old IBM building) > Chattanooga Tennessee - 9-5:30 - just stop by, > Earlier/Later hours can be arranged. > > Please E-Mail me off list: meuon@geeklabs.com or call: 423-648-4184 x200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > -- R. W. Young "There's class warfare all right. But it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." -Warren Buffett "Being called vindictive and partisan by Tom DeLay is like being called ugly by a frog," -Ronnie Earle, Austin Texas DA http://www.gpoftn.org http://tn.greens.org/ http://www.gpus.org/ ============================= From dlsalter at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 21:02:06 2009 From: dlsalter at gmail.com (Dustin Salter) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:02:38 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] rsync and Cisco In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D9C@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D9C@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <9e64723c0906301802u1e068359rb220246d27676c90@mail.gmail.com> no. It is a site to site vpn. > Are you doing any sort of Deep Packet Inspection on the ASA, via the Inspect command? I know by default, RSH is inspected, depending on what you are doing with rsync could have something to do with it. ds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/bf308f63/a= ttachment.htm From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 30 21:05:58 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:06:02 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Cisco and Misc For Sale In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301821430.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0906301821430.32305@w0707.geeklabs.net> Message-ID: <4A4AB676.50407@windserve.com> If this is still available, I'll take it for $200 cash. :) I'll take a look at when I'll be in Chatt. next, and contact you off = list to work out the details. Mike Harrison wrote, On 06/30/2009 06:48 PM: > > I recently bought the stack of Aaron's Cisco stuff he had for sale = > last week, mixed it up with some parts I had (ram, AC power supplies, = > flash.. ) > to get 2 "seems to be working so far" 2600 series routers with some = > ethernet jacks to play with. That's what I needed. :) > > This leaves me with a combination of what I had left from him, plus a = > bunch of other stuff I have including a 7200 series (w/DC power = > supply) w high speed serial interfaces.. some bare bones 2500/2600's = > (some ac and some dc power supplies and some with ram and flash, a = > "Cisco Content Engine" a "Cisco Terminal Server", 2 110-48volt power = > supplies, 2 VPN3002-8E (VPN clients with 8 ports ethernet switches), = > an 1800, a couple of 800's w/ISDN interfaces.. a 2500 with 2 T1 = > interfaces.... and.. and.. cables.. and... > > and 2 industrial rack mount 110volt to 48vdc power supplies. > > A Lucent/Ascend MAX with a bunch of POTS (FX-0?) ports > > A couple 24 port ethernet 10/100 HUBS. > > All in unknown "as-is" configurations and status. > > All heading to an "art project" the end of next week if no-one > wants any or all of it. Need to clean out the NOC shelves > and donations are gladly accepted. > > Or: you can have it ALL for $200.00 cash. > > Or: will trade for ________ (something interesting and/or useful) > > Where is it all? > > 535 Chestnut Street, Suite 243 (the old IBM building) > Chattanooga Tennessee - 9-5:30 - just stop by, > Earlier/Later hours can be arranged. > > Please E-Mail me off list: meuon@geeklabs.com or call: 423-648-4184 = > x200 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/0d440f94/a= ttachment.htm From dlsalter at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 21:07:47 2009 From: dlsalter at gmail.com (Dustin Salter) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:08:18 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] rsync and Cisco In-Reply-To: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D9C@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> References: <C9456CFFF986294F84BC74AB13882B3D161D9C@chaexc01.tech-cis.local> Message-ID: <9e64723c0906301807x1e9aa791rb8260d8b491eeb57@mail.gmail.com> no. It is a site to site vpn. > > QoS? > I have QoS enabled across our network and onto a few ASA's for voice traffic that is delivered to the ASA for a Site-Site VPN, so it will be prioritized, though once it makes it the WAN 0 it is best effort until it reaches the remote side. IF you are doing any QoS to the ASA, you may want to consider checking policies and putting your rsync in a higher priority. ds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/9c390248/a= ttachment.htm From lists at noctum.net Tue Jun 30 21:10:05 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:10:46 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52727EDD-3AFD-4584-AB04-436C5BA898DA@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Michael Grant Hodges wrote: > I need to synchronize 2 folders setting one as the source and one as > the destination. > > in other words i want one to stay the same and the other to change > as files change on the source. > > i only need 2 copies of what is currently on the source and for the > singles to be deleted from the target. > > this also needs to be cli so i can set a cron job. > > Note: rsync has a limit of 10800 items. This is a security measure. > (if you have some how done more; perhaps it's changed.) I routinely use rsync to transfer data with millions of files, usually lots of jpgs and video (yes, porn sites) The only time I have ever run into a limit with rsync, it was a memory related issue and doubling the amount of RAM in the machine solved it. Maybe you're using a customized crippled version of rsync, but I've never run into a 10k limit with debian, ubuntu, red hat, centos, or freebsd. rsync -arvx /path/to/source /path/to/destination --delete will do what you want. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkpKt3AACgkQXzanDlV0VY6+VQCeMR181S6e++c1P4eChZLjnAfO hmMAoL7aWzOMKg9RR/JOepGko78O0zeQ =dMUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From danlyke at flutterby.com Tue Jun 30 21:35:46 2009 From: danlyke at flutterby.com (Dan Lyke) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:35:50 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <52727EDD-3AFD-4584-AB04-436C5BA898DA@noctum.net> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> <52727EDD-3AFD-4584-AB04-436C5BA898DA@noctum.net> Message-ID: <20090630183546.1ac54b6c@danhplaptop> Okay, stupid question: If I do "rsync -avz source target" it won't delete any files from the target, right? I sync my images from my laptop to my server, and haven't tested this yet, but I'm about to run out of space on the laptop... Dan From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 30 21:51:50 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 30 21:51:53 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <20090630183546.1ac54b6c@danhplaptop> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> <52727EDD-3AFD-4584-AB04-436C5BA898DA@noctum.net> <20090630183546.1ac54b6c@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <4A4AC136.9080903@windserve.com> It won't delete anything, but it will update files that already exist on = the target. Dan Lyke wrote, On 06/30/2009 09:35 PM: > Okay, stupid question: > > If I do "rsync -avz source target" it won't delete any files from the > target, right? > > I sync my images from my laptop to my server, and haven't tested this > yet, but I'm about to run out of space on the laptop... > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Chugalug mailing list > Chugalug@chugalug.org > http://geeklabs.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chugalug > = -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/attachments/20090630/5d4e3815/a= ttachment.htm From lists at noctum.net Tue Jun 30 22:05:42 2009 From: lists at noctum.net (Kenneth Ratliff) Date: Tue Jun 30 22:06:21 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] Re: [klug] Why rsync won't work. In-Reply-To: <20090630183546.1ac54b6c@danhplaptop> References: <a171680b0903201754w5c89d08bxa5c2944e01d97752@mail.gmail.com> <49C44083.4000200@gmail.com> <c6a799ff0903221159w1cf266easc25aca0644148431@mail.gmail.com> <a171680b0903221225q536697b3l9f6fe830b013bab3@mail.gmail.com> <84CBE4A8-0A9B-41BE-8F3C-47E1CE449EB0@utk.edu> <a171680b0906300727y486a155j54a124fc9978e29c@mail.gmail.com> <4A4A244E.3080102@eecs.utk.edu> <a171680b0906300820t2eaeacb0j355038ba33b849f8@mail.gmail.com> <52727EDD-3AFD-4584-AB04-436C5BA898DA@noctum.net> <20090630183546.1ac54b6c@danhplaptop> Message-ID: <62EF9595-1037-4A2A-8FB2-8CAA293739C3@noctum.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:35 PM, Dan Lyke wrote: > Okay, stupid question: > > If I do "rsync -avz source target" it won't delete any files from the > target, right? > > I sync my images from my laptop to my server, and haven't tested this > yet, but I'm about to run out of space on the laptop... As long as you don't use --delete, you'll be fine, rsync will just sync the files from the source to the target. The only way to lose data doing that is by recycling file names -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkpKxHoACgkQXzanDlV0VY6wnACdGS8jY9tVCyWdjEmC8Mp1L+0w Sk8An0uTUhoLbnmmm6B/R6mVCjWPXy2k =hRpK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mrideout at windserve.com Tue Jun 30 22:07:24 2009 From: mrideout at windserve.com (Matt Rideout) Date: Tue Jun 30 22:07:28 2009 Subject: [Chugalug] OT: VUE testing centers Message-ID: <4A4AC4DC.5080304@windserve.com> I'm interested in hearing what anyone who's used the "All-American = Schools" VUE testing center thinks of the facilities. Do you recommend them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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